Atheism debunked in 30 seconds with LEGO - atheist tears flood Seattle, Portland and NYC - General

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;44536022]i don't wanna be a prick but even if you shook it for 13.8 billion years, it'd probably still just be a jumble of pieces (if not a torn bag), because the agitation of the bag's contents isn't perfectly random i don't remember the right terminology to explain it properly, but in a system that would perpetuate to infinity, you can't actually guarantee that every possible event will occur because of the system's naturally restrictive parameters from the start (like friction). another example is clothes in an infinite tumble dryer; there's no guarantee that at any moment in an infinite amount of time, you could open the door and find the clothes neatly folded on top of each other. it's improbable because the clothes have no reason to be folded while they're spinning around, and the way they rearrange themselves inside the drum isn't random, it's based on how they spin i'm sure one of the more sciency mods could explain it loads better, i'm not very learned in the physics of infinity[/QUOTE] On the other hand if legos were alive and those that connected survived to create offspring to be tumbled again, attaching into more complex structures, after billions of years of attaching something would come out. Evolution is about living things but legos were used as a metaphor. The mutations that occur are random but the rest is not. Otherwise each new offspring would be a jumbled mess of nothing. That way if you had millions of helicopters without rotors, at least one of them would get a rotor after some years of tumbling. The only reason why legos couldn't form anything is because they're not alive.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44536270]On the other hand if legos were alive and those that connected survived to create offspring to be tumbled again, attaching into more complex structures, after billions of years of attaching something would come out. Evolution is about living things but legos were used as a metaphor. The mutations that occur are random but the rest is not. Otherwise each new offspring would be a jumbled mess of nothing. That way if you had millions of helicopters without rotors, at least one of them would get a rotor after some years of tumbling. The only reason why legos couldn't form anything is because they're not alive.[/QUOTE] It's like the "watchmaker analogy" where each design implies a designer. When you look at how complicated the human body is, like the eye, brain, heart, etc, you could say nature is really the designer because through the course of evolution, we adapt and change over thousands to millions of years. The reason why an offspring isn't a jumbled mess compared to it's parents is because our DNA keeps what works and eventually gets rid of what doesn't. Then again, there's always mistakes like missing chromosomes, birth defects, etc but you could say mistakes have been apart of evolution also. We probably wouldn't be here right now if it wasn't for random genetic mutations that happened by chance.

[QUOTE=VaSTinY;44527230]my dad thinks this [editline]12th April 2014[/editline] im serious[/QUOTE] i also once considered this along with many people we were all in kindergarten probably

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;44536022]i don't wanna be a prick but even if you shook it for 13.8 billion years, it'd probably still just be a jumble of pieces (if not a torn bag), because the agitation of the bag's contents isn't perfectly random i don't remember the right terminology to explain it properly, but in a system that would perpetuate to infinity, you can't actually guarantee that every possible event will occur because of the system's naturally restrictive parameters from the start (like friction). another example is clothes in an infinite tumble dryer; there's no guarantee that at any moment in an infinite amount of time, you could open the door and find the clothes neatly folded on top of each other. it's improbable because the clothes have no reason to be folded while they're spinning around, and the way they rearrange themselves inside the drum isn't random, it's based on how they spin i'm sure one of the more sciency mods could explain it loads better, i'm not very learned in the physics of infinity[/QUOTE] that's because lego isn't at all like molecules or proteins and don't behave like them. if you took an ocean full of randomly combined proteins, eventually something more complicated will come out of it. that's just going to happen with enough time. Comparing clothes or lego or anything to simple molecules, proteins and things at that scale causes a complete failure in understanding due to terrible analogies.

[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;44536333]It's like the "watchmaker analogy" where each design implies a designer. When you look at how complicated the human body is, like the eye, brain, heart, etc, you could say nature is really the designer because through the course of evolution, we adapt and change over thousands to millions of years. The reason why an offspring isn't a jumbled mess compared to it's parents is because our DNA keeps what works and eventually gets rid of what doesn't. Then again, there's always mistakes like missing chromosomes, birth defects, etc but you could say mistakes have been apart of evolution also. We probably wouldn't be here right now if it wasn't for random genetic mutations that happened by chance.[/QUOTE] With our advancement in medical and related fields we are starting to override natural evolution. People who would've died in nature can now live decent lives. I believe in the future we will be able to cure negative mutations and boost positive ones. It is very interesting to think how humans will change in the next million years or so assuming we don't go extinct. Another thing I wonder is if we will go the natural way where we adjust our bodies biologically or the technological way by using augmentations and what not. We already have near perfect prosthetic leg design in active development, more advanced stuff should follow next.

Let me disprove this in as few words as possible: Legos don't fuck

Ok going by this logic then, what's to say if the helicopter was intended to be a representation of the universe what's to say the universe was created perfectly as intended? whats to say that if there was some plan behind it worlds were originally intended to go on forever without end but because the creation was flawed they don't.

Maybe I'm just dumb but I don't get the point the video was trying to make.

This one is my favorite. [IMG]http://oi57.tinypic.com/fodc1e.jpg[/IMG]

Video is sort of right. Given the right materials and infinite amount of time, shit will happen.

[QUOTE=The DooD;44537135]Maybe I'm just dumb but I don't get the point the video was trying to make.[/QUOTE] Use lego bricks and a bag to support the creationist theory. The one about intelligent design in this specific case.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44536270]On the other hand if legos were alive and those that connected survived to create offspring to be tumbled again, attaching into more complex structures, after billions of years of attaching something would come out. Evolution is about living things but legos were used as a metaphor. The mutations that occur are random but the rest is not. Otherwise each new offspring would be a jumbled mess of nothing. That way if you had millions of helicopters without rotors, at least one of them would get a rotor after some years of tumbling. The only reason why legos couldn't form anything is because they're not alive.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44536443]that's because lego isn't at all like molecules or proteins and don't behave like them. if you took an ocean full of randomly combined proteins, eventually something more complicated will come out of it. that's just going to happen with enough time. Comparing clothes or lego or anything to simple molecules, proteins and things at that scale causes a complete failure in understanding due to terrible analogies.[/QUOTE] exactly it's an imperfect analogy, though a simple and relatable one

[QUOTE=itisjuly;44536507]With our advancement in medical and related fields we are starting to override natural evolution. People who would've died in nature can now live decent lives. I believe in the future we will be able to cure negative mutations and boost positive ones. It is very interesting to think how humans will change in the next million years or so assuming we don't go extinct. Another thing I wonder is if we will go the natural way where we adjust our bodies biologically or the technological way by using augmentations and what not. We already have near perfect prosthetic leg design in active development, more advanced stuff should follow next.[/QUOTE] This is what kind of pushes me to believe in the ancient astronaut theory, or I have interest in it. Who's to say we weren't visited in the past and someone had already done that to us? That's another story though, but I am open-minded. I agree with you that we're already finding ways to beat evolution, we're even able to grow new ears, etc.

[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;44538339]This is what kind of pushes me to believe in the ancient astronaut theory, or I have interest in it. Who's to say we weren't visited in the past and someone had already done that to us? That's another story though, but I am open-minded. I agree with you that we're already finding ways to beat evolution, we're even able to grow new ears, etc.[/QUOTE] FYI ancient aliens doesn't answer any questions about the complexity of life because the aliens also had to come from somewhere. Were they also made by different aliens? Then who made those aliens? Etc etc.