You get to see Dr who first. For that, i would want to be in the UK. Else wise, I will stick with my fucked up country here in the US.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24042122]I don't think get my point: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax[/url][/QUOTE]
A hip replacement costs upwards of £9000, my grandma got it for free.
Rest assured that you will get your money's worth. I know what taxes are, and it was already stated that whatever difference you see between US and UK tax rates does not relate to the amount you save for the simplest of healthcare issues.
[QUOTE=Wolfie13;24042031]Birmingham or Leicester, take your pick. We have large numbers of migrants here.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't mind staying away from them, are there a lot of black people? Not that I'm trying to be racist, it's just that they smell bad when I'm near them :frown:
[QUOTE=Autumn;24042054]british institute of radiology?[/QUOTE]
Um, no :v:
Bradford Royal Infirmary.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24042122]I don't think get my point: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax[/URL][/QUOTE]
no, i don't think get your point. please explain
[QUOTE=Autumn;24042109]woah, calm down. the US has to do with it because your argument is that it's "not free" because we essentially pay for it out of our taxes, but compared to the US who get taxed about the same amount and yet are still required to pay for their healthcare... we do get it free. if we go into hospital and need an operation - we get it. we don't pay for it. thus, it is fair to say that it is free healthcare.[/QUOTE]
If I go to Germany to buy alcohol, I actually [i]receive[/i] money! (No, it's just cheaper)
Don't take this personally, but your rhetoric is immensely retarded.
Edit: I guess it's not personal because the same goes for Wolfie13.
[QUOTE=itsDivine;24042185]Wouldn't mind staying away from them, are there a lot of black people? Not that I'm trying to be racist, it's just that they smell bad when I'm near them :frown:[/QUOTE]
Hold your breath.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24042207]If I go to Germany to buy alcohol, I actually [I]receive[/I] money! (No, it's just cheaper)
Don't take this personally, but your rhetoric is immensely retarded.
Edit: I guess it's not personal because the same goes for Wolfie13.[/QUOTE]
but i don't even understand what your point is and why you're getting annoyed about it.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24042207]If I go to Germany to buy alcohol, I actually [i]receive[/i] money! (No, it's just cheaper)
Don't take this personally, but your rhetoric is immensely retarded.[/QUOTE]
You're not even understanding.
Your argument of UK healthcare being a lie is wrong, because it [U]IS[/U] free. Free as in free beer. The government doesn't make you pay a portion of your wage and say "That's in case you get sick" (Well it does, but national insurance covers your lost wages, not the healthcare that you recive)
[QUOTE=itsDivine;24042185]Wouldn't mind staying away from them, are there a lot of black people? Not that I'm trying to be racist, it's just that they smell bad when I'm near them :frown:[/QUOTE]
That is racist, not that there's anything wrong with it. If in your experience there is a notable difference between two races, then it's no different from any other kind of discrimination. I personally hate old ladies because they have a tendency to wear too much cheap perfume, and I don't want to know what they're hiding. :v:
Edit: I'm an old-ladyist in that regard.
GJ dodging the debate for a funny remark. The bout is over. The winner? Common sense.
[QUOTE=Autumn;24042273]but i don't even understand what your point is and why you're getting annoyed about it.[/QUOTE]
You're saying that you get more value for the same amount of money in the UK, and you claim that the extra value is then "free". That's the same as claiming that because there's a price difference for the same product between Denmark and Germany, I "receive" money when I buy my alcohol in Germany. I mean, if you agree with the second statement, I can do little else than saying "well that's some stupid definitions", but assuming that you don't, there's something really wrong with saying that health care in the UK is "free".
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[QUOTE=Wolfie13;24042436]GJ dodging the debate for a funny remark. The bout is over. The winner? Common sense.[/QUOTE]
:lol: Sorry, you're not so special that I will reply to your posts first and foremost.
Lenni doesn't get it. If I'm in the US, and I break my arm, I'll have to pay a huge bill for my operation, or I stick with the broken arm.
If I break the arm in the UK, I walk out the door, safe in the knowledge that the bill's not going to bite me in the arse.
In that sense, it's free. Please shut up.
thanks scotty
[QUOTE=Lenni;24042463]You're saying that you get more value for the same amount of money in the UK, and you claim that the extra value is then "free". That's the same as claiming that because there's a price difference for the same product between Denmark and Germany, I "receive" money when I buy my alcohol in Germany. I mean, if you agree with the second statement, I can do little else than saying "well that's some stupid definitions", but assuming that you don't, there's something really wrong with saying that health care in the UK is "free".[/QUOTE]
Healthcare on the NHS is not free. It just won't bankrupt you if you're not a rich bastard.
Case fucking closed.
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It's free at the point of entry.
[QUOTE=itsDivine;24020252]I'm moving to england from the United States, now now, I love the U.S.A and am proud to be an American, but I'm sick of the government and the oil spill and all that shit. Does anyone have some benefits to moving to the U.K? [besides Facepunch Camp-Out 2011][/QUOTE]
Lol, BP's oil spill...
BP= British Petro
[QUOTE=Wolfie13;24042307]Your argument of UK healthcare being a lie is wrong, because it [U]IS[/U] free.[/QUOTE]
No it's not. It's just factually wrong. Ask anyone with a degree in political science. (And if they say you're right, you're still wrong) ...
[QUOTE=Wolfie13;24042307]Free as in free beer. The government doesn't make you pay a portion of your wage and say "That's in case you get sick"[/QUOTE]
Possibly, but they certainly do take a portion of your wage and [i]use[/i] it in case you get sick (and sometimes they don't) even if they don't make any official statement. I mean, was that supposed to be a point?
[QUOTE=Wolfie13;24042307]Well it does, but national insurance covers your lost wages, not the healthcare that you recive[/QUOTE]
Okay wut.
Let me just get this clear: you do not pay money to the government for the health care you receive. Okay. So how do they pay the doctors? Do they even pay the doctors? What happens? What?
You're just [u]WRONG[/u] and it's not even debatable. We might as well be arguing over the existence of the moon.
OF COURSE the doctors have to be paid, and OF COURSE those money come from your taxes. It's just so self-evident that a 3-year-old would understand.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24041656]There's [i]free[/i] healthcare in the UK?[/QUOTE]
Yes. We're those socialit neo-nazis that GGlenn Beck keeps talking about.
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[QUOTE=Lenni;24041905]Lol. You know, where I live you can buy free stuff pretty much anywhere as long as you pay for it.
NHS gets money from the government. The government extorts money from the people ("taxes"). You do pay for your "free" healthcare, you just don't have a choice.[/QUOTE]
Taxes are not a conspiracy to suck away all your blood and pump it into Peter Mandelson, you moron.
I like how Lenni completely ignores my post that actually explains how he's wrong.
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;24042632]Healthcare on the NHS is not free. It just won't bankrupt you if you're not a rich bastard.
Case fucking closed.
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It's free at the point of entry.[/QUOTE]
Half-agreed on the first statement (you don't exactly have to be a rich bastard).
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[QUOTE=The Mighty Boatman;24042805]Yes. We're those socialit neo-nazis that GGlenn Beck keeps talking about.
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Taxes are not a conspiracy to suck away all your blood and pump it into Peter Mandelson, you moron.[/QUOTE]
Look up a general definition of extortion. Then look up a legal definition of extortion. Taxes are extortion by definition, that's all I said and I'm right and I never said anything about conspiracies or the like.
I'm probably not going to reply to you again, FYI.
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[QUOTE=Scotty.;24042896]I like how Lenni completely ignores my post that actually explains how he's wrong.[/QUOTE]
Hey Scotty. You're wrong. And if you ignore this, it proves that you're even more wrong. In fact, you're wrong no matter what.
Just consider the possibility that I ignored your post because I found it profoundly uninteresting and non-contributive. If that puts a smirk on your face, fine, because I don't care. That's why I didn't reply.
Ignore Lenni. He's just trolling and basically saying that he is right and everyone else is wrong, even the people who know what they are talking about.
Case in point:
[quote]No it's not. It's just factually wrong. Ask anyone with a degree in political science. [b](And if they say you're right, you're still wrong)[/b] ...[/quote]
Yes it put a smirk on my face. Yes, it made me laugh. Do you not get what I'm saying here? Yes, you have to pay SOMETHING through taxes. But no one sees that. That happens anyway. It's the bills for operations and medicine and shit that makes it "free" healthcare. Yes, I see where you're coming from with the "BUT YOU PAY FOR IT WITH TAXES HURR DURR" point, but imagine this. You pay (lets say 20 quid , I don't know how much it actually is, this information would be nice from someone) a month, then break your arm after month 6. Would you rather:
A) get the operation, knowing that it's FREE, as in, you have no large medical bills after your operation. (i.e UK Healthcare)
or
B) Get a huge bill, ON TOP of your taxes, to bumfuck you all the way to the bank.
Let's see how this turns out.
right, well ignoring people who seem to think they have a degree in political science:
here in the jolly UK, if you fall down some stairs and require a hospital visit you will not be charged for:
- the ambulance ride
- the surgery to fix your leg
- the pysiotherapy required to get you walking again
by the time you are completely fixed, you have paid a big fat ZERO to the hospital, ZERO to the doctor, ZERO to the nurses and the physiotherapists that have helped you on your way.
in that sense, you can say that it is free, because you have paid NOTHING.
yes, you have paid taxes. but you would have been paying the same amount whether you fell down those stairs or not.
And the fact is whether you pay taxes or not you will still get the healthcare without cost
[QUOTE=Scotty.;24043199]Yes it put a smirk on my face. Yes, it made me laugh. Do you not get what I'm saying here? Yes, you have to pay SOMETHING through taxes. But no one sees that. That happens anyway. It's the bills for operations and medicine and shit that makes it "free" healthcare. Yes, I see where you're coming from with the "BUT YOU PAY FOR IT WITH TAXES HURR DURR" point, but imagine this. You pay (lets say 20 quid , I don't know how much it actually is, this information would be nice from someone) a month, then break your arm after month 6. Would you rather:
A) get the operation, knowing that it's FREE, as in, you have no large medical bills after your operation. (i.e UK Healthcare)
or
B) Get a huge bill, ON TOP of your taxes, to bumfuck you all the way to the bank.
Let's see how this turns out.[/QUOTE]
Sigh... Read up on something called a false dichotomy. It's a logical fallacy. Those are not the only 2 options, and besides it is totally irrelevant. Imagine that you want a bag of peanuts along with miscellaneous groceries. Would you rather:
A) Do your shopping in Wal-Mart and make a total payment $15
B) Do your shopping in your local super-market and make a total payment of $20
Conclusion? Peanuts are free in Wal-Mart.
DURRrrr
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[QUOTE=David29;24043171]Ignore Lenni. He's just trolling and basically saying that he is right and everyone else is wrong, even the people who know what they are talking about.
Case in point:[/QUOTE]
A "scientist" can make unscientific claims and statements, probably in accordance with his personal beliefs. Bye troll.
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[QUOTE=Autumn;24043252]right, well ignoring people who seem to think they have a degree in political science:
here in the jolly UK, if you fall down some stairs and require a hospital visit you will not be charged for:
- the ambulance ride
- the surgery to fix your leg
- the pysiotherapy required to get you walking again
by the time you are completely fixed, you have paid a big fat ZERO to the hospital, ZERO to the doctor, ZERO to the nurses and the physiotherapists that have helped you on your way.
in that sense, you can say that it is free, because you have paid NOTHING.
yes, you have paid taxes. but you would have been paying the same amount whether you fell down those stairs or not.[/QUOTE]
Hi guys, insurance is free!
Edit: No seriously Autumn, that was a god-awful argument.
Edit 2: My brain is still hurting, who the heck claims that insurance is free?
Make sure to eat pub food. It's awesome. It may not be the healthiest food around, but steak pie and chips with some peas is to die for. At least, in my opinion. I love pub food.
Order a full English breakfast. You won't regret it. Your arteries will if you eat it every day though.
[QUOTE=Lenni;24043549]A) Do your shopping in Wal-Mart and make a total payment $15
B) Do your shopping in your local super-market and make a total payment of $20
*Edit: Conclusion: I get ripped off by someone on the tills, because my locak supermarket is a Walmart.
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[QUOTE=Lenni;24043549]
Hi guys, insurance is free!
Edit: No seriously Autumn, that was a god-awful argument.
Edit 2: My brain is still hurting, who the heck claims that insurance is free?[/QUOTE]
He didn't. You don't pay health insurance in the UK.
You pay tax. A percentage of all the taxes gathered (which are dependant on how much you earn, not how much you use) get pooled towards the NHS. It's not insurance, as everyone pays health tax equally - you don't pay more to use the hospital. It's free.
Same way that tax gets used to develop things like the police service - you don't have to pay to use the police. They're funded from your taxes.
While not strictly free in all senses of the word - after all, there is SOME transaction of money going on - it's not paying to use the hospital itself. So for example, a homeless man with no money who does not pay tax can still use the hospital - he does not pay a thing.
