Atomic bomb over the pacific [HD]. What DBZ would look like in real life. - General

[QUOTE=Glorbo;37782777]Mankind has the capacity to manufacture miniature suns. Think about that for a second.[/QUOTE] There's quite a difference of a fusion bomb reaction to the sun.

[QUOTE=Novangel;37783098]There's quite a difference of a fusion bomb reaction to the sun.[/QUOTE] It's the closest we've got to it. [editline]24th September 2012[/editline] In about 40 years from now, we will make some [b]actual[/b] minature suns With lasers And magnets

[QUOTE=Glorbo;37782889]Nuclear test-ban treaties forbid them from doing one. [/QUOTE] I'm fairly sure that only banned atmospheric and underwater tests, underground are still allowed.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;37783166]It's the closest we've got to it. [editline]24th September 2012[/editline] In about 40 years from now, we will make some [b]actual[/b] minature suns With lasers And magnets[/QUOTE] Those goddamn magnets..

[QUOTE=lifehole;37782603]Also; does anyone know the actual limit on the megaton size of a nuke? Because the Tsar Bomba was a lot bigger than what was dropped on/over Hiroshima. Just wanted to know the actual limit.[/QUOTE] The Tsar Bomba was 57 megatons, the Nagasaki one was 0.2 megatons. That's the scale we're looking at. I don't think there's necessarily a limit to the explosive power of one, but I'd imagine that there's an actual time frame in which the chain reaction will have to happen - otherwise the core is just blown up before it could react (I suppose), and a lot of it is wasted. I believe that less than 2% of the Plutonium in the Nagasaki one actually contributed to the explosion, and I'd imagine that if we'd want to increase the explosive power, we'd need to make it more efficient, like with the Hydrogen bomb, instead of just bigger. I have next to no knowledge on this matter (and I'd imagine that almost none on this forum has), so this is all just stuff I suppose.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;37784924]The Tsar Bomba was 57 megatons, the Nagasaki one was 0.2 megatons. That's the scale we're looking at. I don't think there's necessarily a limit to the explosive power of one, but I'd imagine that there's an actual time frame in which the chain reaction will have to happen - otherwise the core is just blown up before it could react (I suppose), and a lot of it is wasted. I believe that less than 2% of the Plutonium in the Nagasaki one actually contributed to the explosion, and I'd imagine that if we'd want to increase the explosive power, we'd need to make it more efficient, like with the Hydrogen bomb, instead of just bigger. I have next to no knowledge on this matter (and I'd imagine that almost none on this forum has), so this is all just stuff I suppose.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't 21 kilotons (Fat Man) be 0.021 megatons? [editline]24th September 2012[/editline] Also, have a chart: [img]http://www.tsarbomba.org/images/tsar%20bomba%20chart.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;37783441]I'm fairly sure that only banned atmospheric and underwater tests, underground are still allowed.[/QUOTE] No, that was the Partial Ban Treaty. The Comprehensive Treaty banned every kind of nuclear testing, in any environment.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;37785598]No, that was the Partial Ban Treaty. The Comprehensive Treaty banned every kind of nuclear testing, in any environment.[/QUOTE] Well that sucks, but how come Pakistan were still allowed to test theirs?

Wasn't the Tsar forbidden because it's power would be a potential danger to manking in the cold war?

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;37775274]Unless I'm totally and entirely misinformed, yes, they still leave tons of radiation.[/QUOTE] Depends on what altitude they are detonated at. The fireball itself only emits radiation that lasts for hours tops, but the fireball sucks up massive amounts of air inside it, and with it lots of dirt and debris below it. That dirt and debris becomes irradiated and they'll stay like that for a long time. Most of the radiation embedded in the dust has a half-life of couple of months thought. You can probably guess the effects of ground bursts intended against military installations.

Likelihood of nuclear weapons being used?

[QUOTE=smeismastger;37798413]Depends on what altitude they are detonated at. The fireball itself only emits radiation that lasts for hours tops, but the fireball sucks up massive amounts of air inside it, and with it lots of dirt and debris below it. That dirt and debris becomes irradiated and they'll stay like that for a long time. Most of the radiation embedded in the dust has a half-life of couple of months thought. You can probably guess the effects of ground bursts intended against military installations.[/QUOTE] Yep; if the fireball doesn't melt the base first, the fallout would make it truly poisonous for a very long time; in a future aeon if nuclear war leaves behind fallout that lasts for centuries or even millennia, feudal denizens of the wastelands would probably refer to affected areas as "cursed lands", where no plant would grow, and any beast or man to walk through such lands would be struck down by the ancient curse. Providing they don't have knowledge of nuclear science that survived from the times before the sprouting of the mushrooms, that is. Hopefully Earth might never have to suffer such brutal atomic warfare, and thankfully nuclear fallout simply kills you slowly, rather than turning you into an insane feral horror flayed by the burning poisonous heat that is ionizing radiation. Then again I dunno which is worse; a slow agonizing death or an existence as a mutated being that lives it's life in mind-shattering agony, reduced to little more than a simple crazed beast that seeks only to hunt other things.

[QUOTE=ironman17;37798816]Yep; if the fireball doesn't melt the base first, the fallout would make it truly poisonous for a very long time; in a future aeon if nuclear war leaves behind fallout that lasts for centuries or even millennia, feudal denizens of the wastelands would probably refer to affected areas as "cursed lands", where no plant would grow, and any beast or man to walk through such lands would be struck down by the ancient curse. Providing they don't have knowledge of nuclear science that survived from the times before the sprouting of the mushrooms, that is. Hopefully Earth might never have to suffer such brutal atomic warfare, and thankfully nuclear fallout simply kills you slowly, rather than turning you into an insane feral horror flayed by the burning poisonous heat that is ionizing radiation. Then again I dunno which is worse; a slow agonizing death or an existence as a mutated being that lives it's life in mind-shattering agony, reduced to little more than a simple crazed beast that seeks only to hunt other things.[/QUOTE] I think falling apart in slow motion is equally agonizing as turning into a radioactive mutant.

Huh, never really thought about that; it's hard to quantify things like pain, mutation, insanity, etc, into numerical values; it'd take a far more precise mind than any human to even begin to do that. Regardless, instant incineration is probably better than either of those, even if your consciousness is annihilated pretty much instantly. But that makes me wonder; if mind could be separated from body, stored in "spirit" (the consciousness and intellect of a lifeform contained in a sort of quasi-material "body", unaffected by the majority of physical interactions with the world), would it be better to be instantly annihilated amidst the nuclear firestorm, or to wander amidst the ashes of a post-nuclear zone as a sort of ghost? In theory if spirit were truly durable, like not even nuclear firestorms could rend a ghost asunder, the spirit could maybe leave the irradiated area, though whether or not it'd carry the essence of that blasted heath with it is probably another matter entirely. Regardless, there would probably be a variable as to whether or not the ordeal of being amidst a nuclear firestorm would drive a spirit to insanity; if the being lost close friends or family (assuming they didn't get spirits) to the firestorm they'd very likely be broken by loss.

[QUOTE=ironman17;37798816]Yep; if the fireball doesn't melt the base first, the fallout would make it truly poisonous for a very long time; in a future aeon if nuclear war leaves behind fallout that lasts for centuries or even millennia, feudal denizens of the wastelands would probably refer to affected areas as "cursed lands", where no plant would grow, and any beast or man to walk through such lands would be struck down by the ancient curse. Providing they don't have knowledge of nuclear science that survived from the times before the sprouting of the mushrooms, that is. Hopefully Earth might never have to suffer such brutal atomic warfare, and thankfully nuclear fallout simply kills you slowly, rather than turning you into an insane feral horror flayed by the burning poisonous heat that is ionizing radiation. Then again I dunno which is worse; a slow agonizing death or an existence as a mutated being that lives it's life in mind-shattering agony, reduced to little more than a simple crazed beast that seeks only to hunt other things.[/QUOTE] I dunno, having my skin slowly start peeling off from the radiation sounds just as bad, if not worse if you ask me, at least if I'm melted to a crisp chances are all my nerves will have burned off.

Being in major city ensures death that is quick, pain lasting only seconds before the skin melts along with the nervous system. OR being horribly wounded, irradiated and slowly dying away in agonizing pain, probably still buried in the rubble. Or surviving after being, burned, irradiated, and mauled by debris (shards of glass, pieces of metal, pointy things and objects in general) blown by the blastwave. Wandering for a while in shock before your body's failsafe systems kick and you start feeling pain again. Dying from radiation poisoning afterwards means being completely aware of what's happening to you and being completely unable to do anything about it. Slowly, painfully dying and getting weaker ever passing day. Not being able to eat (your stomach fails to digesta and you just keep throwing up). Eventually you can grab at a random part of your body and tear a chunk out of yourself with little effort. Turning into a radioactive mutant means you don't have the sanity to be aware of your condition or what's happening to you. Few things make sense to you at that point anyway so you don't know better.

Uh you know radioactive mutants don't actually exist right? Cos that's not how radiation works.