Why we (The United Kingdom), should continue to have a Royal Family.
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[QUOTE=Robbobin;29495712]I live in the UK. I was under the impression everyone hated the monarchy because it directly undermines the principle of fairness and democracy[/QUOTE]
I don't know where the hell you live but the Daily Mail should be notified immediately.
The Royal Family just seems like an antiquated national tradition you guys are unable to give up, or rather, the Royal Family and government are unwilling to give up :v:
What exactly do they do again other than live in opulence?
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;29509061]The UK family on average only spends 60p on the royal family.[/QUOTE]
Just because you divide it by a really big number it doesn't mean there isn't infinitely better uses of that money. (it's an absolute shitload of money)
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29510861]hahaha...hahahaha....HAHAHAHAHAHA[/QUOTE]
:raise:
I'm not getting it. American politics is riddled with absurdities.
[QUOTE=Jasun;29494196]Or, how about this? We convert all palaces owned by the royals in to museums, which would still bring in tourism and we also wouldn't have to pay for the other expenses brought by the royal family![/QUOTE]
Do you honestly think museums bring in more tourists than an actual royal family?
[QUOTE=gol4z03;29511881]Its not just someone "lucky" who gets into power, their ancestors worked hard in order to pass their property down to their heirs, the same way you will if you have children, the same way your parents have given to you. It simply isnt fair to strip away all their land and power, you have to have in mind that someone a loooong time ago struggled to take control of the country, it was their perseverance which allowed their family tree to become what it is now. Royal.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm sure all their hard work justifies their £935 million property (Buckingham Palace alone). Absolute bullshit. Sorry, but that's not a defensible claim. They don't deserve what they have. The fact they get to live in such extravagance while there's so much suffering in the world, it's disgusting. If it was anything to do with perseverance why aren't all of the starving, oppressed families in the world so?
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29514712]Yeah I'm sure all their hard work justifies their £935 million property (Buckingham Palace alone). Absolute bullshit. Sorry, but that's not a defensible claim. They don't deserve what they have. The fact they get to live in such extravagance while there's so much suffering in the world, it's disgusting. If it was anything to do with perseverance why aren't all of the starving, oppressed families in the world so?[/QUOTE]
I remember feeling this way watching the White House throw a huge Christmas party, talking about how expensive everything was, it was ridiculous. It seems sick to be living in such extravagance when people all over your country are living in poverty. And as far as the royal family earning what they have, just no.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;29511952]Communism tried to do that and guess what happened, rather than everyone being happy and equal, everyone just ended up being poor regardless.[/QUOTE]
First of all, communism hasn't worked [i]yet[/i] because it hasn't been legitimately tried anywhere to date.
Secondly, are you really arguing that [i]social equality[/i] is unattainable - no - wrong? So you're a fascist?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;29514621]Do you honestly think museums bring in more tourists than an actual royal family?[/QUOTE]France is doing alright on the tourist front, as is Italy. It's not like tourists get to meet the royals; they are not a factor in the decision for a tourist to choose to visit the UK.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29514832]First of all, communism hasn't worked [i]yet[/i] because it hasn't been legitimately tried anywhere to date.
Secondly, are you really arguing that [i]social equality[/i] is unattainable - no - wrong? So you're a fascist?[/QUOTE]
Communism works theoretically but unfortunately when you give selected people all that power it will always crumble, unless you can find a saint to run your Communist state you're going to revert to soviet-style dictatorship.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;29514413]The Royal Family just seems like an antiquated national tradition you guys are unable to give up, or rather, the Royal Family and government are unwilling to give up :v:
What exactly do they do again other than live in opulence?[/QUOTE]
It's like Easter. It makes you fat but you love it (as a tradition)
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;29514991]It's like Easter. It makes you fat but you love it (as a tradition)[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't love paying for a bunch of wrinkly people with cockney accents to live in mansions
[QUOTE=Kopimi;29515028]I wouldn't love paying for a bunch of wrinkly people with cockney accents to live in mansions[/QUOTE]
Well that's the making you fat part....
You know what? Fuck Analogies.
I like them as a tradition. It makes Britain unique IMO.
But you're right. They're money wasters.
Nearly everyone I know wants to get rid of the Royal Family (And I live in a Tory stronghold). The money should of been given to the NHS in the short run. I don't care if money grabbing fat cats make money from them, we'll rarely see that money. The moral issue of normal people (I say normal, they're bloody inbred) assuming the status of god chosen, is a bit fucked up in it self.
Also: 60p(Royal gets per Tax player) x 60M (All taxes from 2008) = £36,000,000
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;29515072]Well that's the making you fat part....
You know what? Fuck Analogies.
I like them as a tradition. It makes Britain unique IMO.
But you're right. They're money wasters.[/QUOTE]
There's plenty of other stuff that makes Britain unique..
They have that big clock thing right? :saddowns:
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29514712]Yeah I'm sure all their hard work justifies their £935 million property (Buckingham Palace alone). Absolute bullshit. Sorry, but that's not a defensible claim. They don't deserve what they have. The fact they get to live in such extravagance while there's so much suffering in the world, it's disgusting. If it was anything to do with perseverance why aren't all of the starving, oppressed families in the world so?[/QUOTE]
I don't find it disgusting at all, it's a privileged position of power - it wouldn't be much of a monarchy if the queen lived in some brick house in the middle of nowhere because then no one would have even bothered to fight over the position like they did for centuries.
I like the Royal's they gave me the day off. :smile:
[QUOTE=Kopimi;29515242]There's plenty of other stuff that makes Britain unique..
They have that big clock thing right? :saddowns:[/QUOTE]
Yeah but that's so mainstream
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29514712]Yeah I'm sure all their hard work justifies their £935 million property (Buckingham Palace alone). Absolute bullshit. Sorry, but that's not a defensible claim. They don't deserve what they have. The fact they get to live in such extravagance while there's so much suffering in the world, it's disgusting. If it was anything to do with perseverance why aren't all of the starving, oppressed families in the world so?[/QUOTE]
So we should take all their wealth and give it to the country- OH WAIT THEY ALREADY DO.
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;29514767]I remember feeling this way watching the White House throw a huge Christmas party, talking about how expensive everything was, it was ridiculous. It seems sick to be living in such extravagance when people all over your country are living in poverty. And as far as the royal family earning what they have, just no.[/QUOTE]
They've earned wealth over many many years.
[QUOTE=Chopstick;29515262]I don't find it disgusting at all, it's a privileged position of power - it wouldn't be much of a monarchy if the queen lived in some brick house in the middle of nowhere because then no one would have even bothered to fight over the position like they did for centuries.[/QUOTE]
You're a bigger nazi then Hitler was. The whole idea of assuming power is stupid. If they could give me 10 valid reasons for them to rule, then I'll probably be fine with them. Although, there only two valid reasons for keeping them: They bring money in, which is cancelled out by the fact we [b]NEED[/b] the money more in the short run. Second, they raise morale in times crisis, which is good en'all till you realise the fact you should be rebelling against them.
[QUOTE=zackiller25;29515390]You're a bigger nazi then Hitler was. The whole idea of assuming power is stupid. If they could give me 10 valid reasons for them to rule, then I'll probably be fine with them. Although, there only two valid reasons for keeping them: They bring money in, which is cancelled out by the fact we [b]NEED[/b] the money more in the short run. Second, they raise morale in times crisis, which is good en'all till the fact you realise you should be rebelling against them.[/QUOTE]
Comparing him to Hitler, oh you're a real fucking winner aren't you?
[QUOTE=amute;29515419]Comparing him to Hitler, oh you're a real fucking winner aren't you?[/QUOTE]
I was about to apologise for it, although you've just made this post it would seem complete invalid. Anyway the Royal family is a fascist element within British culture, so it wouldn't be completely invalid to say. Anyway /Socialist
[QUOTE=amute;29515371]So we should take all their wealth and give it to the country- OH WAIT THEY ALREADY DO.
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They've earned wealth over many many years.[/QUOTE]
Yes generations of imbreeding and ignoring the needs of your people really warrants their huge paycheck for being born generation after generation.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;29514956]Communism works theoretically but unfortunately when you give selected people all that power it will always crumble, unless you can find a saint to run your Communist state you're going to revert to soviet-style dictatorship.[/QUOTE]
I've heard this tired argument [i]so many times[/i]. I wish people would think of something else to say besides "it works in theory but not in practice". Hell, capitalism is oppressive [i]in theory[/i]! At least communism doesn't represent profiteering off other people's effort even on paper! The soviet union was a failure because the leader had an absolutely absurd contradictory vision of what Marx meant. Legitimate communism hasn't existed (on a big enough scale for it to be an issue), period. The worst thing about "it works in theory but not in practice" is that most people who say it don't even understand the theory in the first place.
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[QUOTE=amute;29515371] They've earned wealth over many many years.[/QUOTE]
There is no [i]fair[/i] way of earning that much money! There simply isn't!
[QUOTE=Kingy_why;29507917]Yeah, the queen rules us all, and if we don't have tea with her every day through our rotten teeth we'll be beheaded by a guy with a huge axe and a mask.[/QUOTE]
im going to assume you are american so for starters Britain has a better health and dental care system and we also abolished capital punishment unlike you.
I hate aristocrats, monarchs and such in general. I hate that I am descended from some aristocracy.
Why do we celebrate this, and give money and land to these tossers? They do no ruling, only hand waving and opening sports centres. They, along with the rest of the aristocrats left encourage backwardness, putting their faith in god and earning money off land. They claim to rule because they were appointed by a non-existing deity.
We should strip them of all titles, confiscate all their lands, and seize their funds. France, Russia, Germany, Portugal, Poland, etc don't have monarchs and seem to get on fine without them.
Money isn't meant to be fair, it's meant to be something that you use to pay for services and goods.
If you don't have any money don't expect lots of food, security and a nice big house.
Personally I wish money didn't exist but when I think about it we used to get most of our food, security and houses from slavery so I am quite glad it does exist.
[QUOTE=Chopstick;29516327]Money isn't meant to be fair, it's meant to be something that you use to pay for services and goods.
If you don't have any money don't expect lots of food, security and a nice big house.
Personally I wish money didn't exist but when I think about it we used to get most of our food, security and houses from slavery so I am quite glad it does exist.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you're content with a system that's exploitative... but I'm not. And neither should anyone...
[QUOTE=Chopstick;29516327]Personally I wish money didn't exist but when I think about it we used to get most of our food, security and houses from [B]slavery[/B] so I am [B]quite glad[/B] it does exist.[/QUOTE]
wat
Let me elaborate a little more - I want robot slaves to do everything for the population so humans don't have to work as much. Money would be much more valuable but wouldn't be useful as the robot slaves can produce all that the population will ever need.
It would be more valuable but less useful? what?
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