• Why we (The United Kingdom), should continue to have a Royal Family.
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[QUOTE=Coffee;29495735]No, it's hated because it serves no actual purpose aside from tourism.[/QUOTE] It serves History.
[QUOTE=amute;29495723]So are celebrities and politicians.[/QUOTE] So celebrities and politicians lead unfair lives too. That doesn't make monarchy any less fair... it just makes it slightly more normal.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29495623]I didn't realise people [i]actually[/i] supported monarchy. wow. [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] Not really. We've gotten by, but it's been holding us back. How can anybody not see that monarchy is an illegitimate form of government how[/QUOTE] How exactly is it illegimate? Better than having a president with too much power (see US and Italy). Besides, the royal family is like a tool for international relations. You send one and please a country. They invite one, you send one and please a country. Get support in return.
The farms can easilly bre handed to the government, and if your reason for having a bunch of glorified fuckwits who did nothing to deserve is for undeserved money that people who, for some reason, give two shits about the aforement fuckwits give you, well then, it seems to me you have bigger problems to deal with.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29495712]I live in the UK. I was under the impression everyone hated the monarchy because it directly undermines the principle of fairness and democracy[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/national-news/2011/04/25/poll-shows-support-for-royal-family-92746-28579147/[/url] The Guardian and BBC both have separate polls that show the same thing. Not only that, I see a lot of people supporting the monarch.
[QUOTE=iusehax;29495755]It serves History.[/QUOTE] Why do we have to serve history by supporting institutions that are now entirely redundant (tourism aside) when there's perfectly good history books documenting it all already?
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29495756]So celebrities and politicians lead unfair lives too. That doesn't make monarchy any less fair... it just makes it slightly more normal.[/QUOTE] I agree it's unfair. But to use that as an excuse to remove them is just silly. [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Robbobin;29495780]Why do we have to serve history by supporting institutions that are now entirely redundant (tourism aside) when there's perfectly good history books documenting it all already?[/QUOTE] You could say that about a lot of things. Redundancy will little harm isn't really all that bad.
[QUOTE=iusehax;29495755]It serves History.[/QUOTE] A sketchy history of colonisation, stupid taxation and generally shitting on other cultures. What a great history we should be proud of.
[QUOTE=Loures;29495622]Monarchy has proven through history to work for large spans of centuries.[/QUOTE] If anything Monarchies are good for short spans of time. The longer you have a Monarchy (A real one) the more likely the crown will be passed onto some incompetent asshole.
it's the extras in life that make it worthwhile. Not everything needs to have an important purpose. Hell, you had people like Princess Diana who was a huge help with removing landmines.
[QUOTE=POWA KILLERDeux;29494262]They keep talking about the fucking royal weddings here in Canada, i don't give a fuck god damnit.[/QUOTE] You should see the coverage here in the UK. Over here, Prince William choosing a suit is considered 'BREAKING NEWS'.
god save the queen, she ain't no human being
I'm going to leave this now before I get to drawn in I guess there will always be people who do and don't support. I respect other peoples opinions but some are just retarded.
[QUOTE=Coffee;29495811]A sketchy history of colonisation, stupid taxation and generally shitting on other cultures. What a great history we should be proud of.[/QUOTE] It varies between monarch. It's like Presidents, you can't base history on the entire idea of a position. You can totally criticise the UK with ease, but don't say the entire position is to blame. It's just way too vague.
Also people who say they don't care if it's news worthy other people may think it is, other people may think that some of the things you find "BREAKING NEWS" are not.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;29495760]How exactly is it illegimate?[/QUOTE] Because the monarchy are given gross political power (in theory) purely through a bloodline. Political power should derive from a representative, general will (or something in that same vein), not some arbitrary who-fucked-who family politics bullshit.
Britland can keep Lizzie, just get her out of Canada's politics altogether. The monarchy has no relevancy here, nor in Australia either, remnants of royal power in the constitutions of the countries of the former British empire should be eliminated, as the monarchy no longer has relevancy outside of England, and barely has relevancy inside of England.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29495881]Because the monarchy are given gross political power (in theory) purely through a bloodline. Political power should derive from a representative, general will (or something in that same vein), not some arbitrary who-fucked-who family politics bullshit.[/QUOTE] And the moment they practice this theory is the moment they would be rejected and removed, its just some crap that never got reevaluated as time moved on.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29495881]Because the monarchy are given gross political power (in theory) purely through a bloodline. Political power should derive from a representative, general will (or something in that same vein), not some arbitrary who-fucked-who family politics bullshit.[/QUOTE] You do know that the monarch doesn't really have that much power
A lot of people are saying that the Royal Wedding is being stuffed down their throats but I've never gotten any of it. I occasionally hear it on the radio every couple of days and that's the most I ever hear. I think people are just overreacting and everyone else are just following the bandwagon.
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;29495948]You do know that the monarch doesn't really have that much power[/QUOTE] Yeah, I know. I'm talking more about monarchy as a form of government, than the actual practical role of the Royal Family nowadays. My reason for opposing the royal family today is because it's redundant.
[QUOTE=Giacomand;29495983]A lot of people are saying that the Royal Wedding is being stuffed down their throats but I've never gotten any of it. I occasionally hear it on the radio every couple of days and that's the most I ever hear. I think people are just overreacting and everyone else are just following the bandwagon.[/QUOTE] I think it's worse in the U.S. :v:
[QUOTE=Giacomand;29495983]A lot of people are saying that the Royal Wedding is being stuffed down their throats but I've never gotten any of it. I occasionally hear it on the radio every couple of days and that's the most I ever hear. I think people are just overreacting and everyone else are just following the bandwagon.[/QUOTE] If I walk down my street, there's bunting everywhere.
Yea they help but it doesn't mean we should really care that they are getting married. But im an american so what do I know.
[QUOTE=Grimgor13;29494522]The queen can decide what governments can form, for example if the BNP had a winning number of votes she could say nope and not allow them to win.[/QUOTE] she has that power theoretically but if she ever used it there would be a coup
[QUOTE=Giacomand;29495983]A lot of people are saying that the Royal Wedding is being stuffed down their throats but I've never gotten any of it. I occasionally hear it on the radio every couple of days and that's the most I ever hear. I think people are just overreacting and everyone else are just following the bandwagon.[/QUOTE] I used to watch the news in the morning. There isn't much point at the moment because I know about the (apparently) only thing that is happening in the world. Tomorrow my local (South-West) radio station is going to be hi-jacked for the day. Most shops I've been in for the last week or so has some tatty memorabilia in a prominent place. I hope it goes well and everything, but shut the fuck up about it
[QUOTE=sami-elite;29495760]Better than having a president with too much power (see US and Italy).[/QUOTE] Not sure if serious. [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=iusehax;29495755]It serves History.[/QUOTE] So does slavery
Wow, British people acting patriotic? That must only happen once in a blue moon. I don't understand any of this Royalty stuff, I like having just a First family that changes every four years. It keeps everything fresh and the scandals go away pretty quickly. What role does the Royal family play in Britain? I know they don't actually have power anymore, but are they sort of like mascots?
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29495881]Because the monarchy are given gross political power (in theory) purely through a bloodline. Political power should derive from a representative, general will (or something in that same vein), not some arbitrary who-fucked-who family politics bullshit.[/QUOTE] This is simply not true, the Monarch has zero political power. [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29496105] So does slavery[/QUOTE] So does the Renaissance. What's your point?
[QUOTE=amute;29496233]This is simply not true, the Monarch has zero political power.[/QUOTE] For people without any political power at all the royals are pretty damn well guarded
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