• Why we (The United Kingdom), should continue to have a Royal Family.
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[QUOTE=Bad)-(and;29496729]This is completely redundant. I don't know how it didn't hit you in the face as you hit reply. A celebrities lifestyle isn't sustained through taxes. A Royals' is. How are politicians born into a life of wealth and prosperity? They're elected. The difference is [I]we[/I] put them in that position with our votes. They have to work hard to get into that position. Because without us, they will not get there. A royal will always live lavishly.[/QUOTE] And most of us don't really care for Celebrities or politicans either.
[QUOTE=amute;29496652]Yes, I would. Influence doesn't entail power.[/QUOTE] You're welcome to your own definition but I'm pretty sure everyone else in the world agrees that the ability to sway people's political opinions/affiliations hugely is some kind of political power.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29496720]I don't think so. My reason for not supporting monarchy is because they give huge amounts of political power to a single will which isn't representative of what the people want. Maybe there's [i]worse[/i] ways of governing, but that doesn't mean they're legitimate.[/QUOTE] Am I reading you wrong, or do you constantly flip between saying that they have loads of power and no power.
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;29496769]Am I reading you wrong, or do you constantly flip between saying that they have loads of power and no power.[/QUOTE] Yeah, sorry. Half of the time I'm talking about monarchy as a mode of governance, and the other half I'm talking about the actual practical role of the royal family. I keep forgetting to say which I'm talking about, my bad. :v:
[QUOTE=Grimgor13;29494522]The queen can decide what governments can form, for example if the BNP had a winning number of votes she could say nope and not allow them to win.[/QUOTE] She couldn't [i]really[/i], though.
[QUOTE=Kingy_why;29496697]But who gets richer? Are there any tourist hotspots outside of London that would lose out if there where no royals? How do the royals help me in west Wales, apart from using police resorces to search for bombs and shit.[/QUOTE] The country. The tax payer earns too, for the few pounds lost, they gain one or two more in the grand scheme of things. The country earns money off the Monarch. I said a lot of tourism is attributed to the monarch, which it is. They use Metropolitan police, not west Wales police. [QUOTE=Sonicfan574;29496661]Where do you live? Here in the US, anything relating to the royal wedding is breaking news. I'm tired of hearing this crap either way. If the world cares so much about the royal wedding, then how come nobody gives a shit whenever another country gets a new leader?[/QUOTE] Well the US is addicted to Celebrity, so it isn't surprising. [QUOTE=Bad)-(and;29496729]This is completely redundant. I don't know how it didn't hit you in the face as you hit reply. A celebrities lifestyle isn't sustained through taxes. A Royals' is. How are politicians born into a life of wealth and prosperity? They're elected. The difference is [I]we[/I] put them in that position with our votes. They have to work hard to get into that position. Because without us, they will not get there. A royal will always live lavishly.[/QUOTE] The Royal family doesn't use that much money, and what they take, they give back a tonne more. Not all politicians work their way up.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29496806]Yeah, sorry. Half of the time I'm talking about monarchy as a mode of governance, and the other half I'm talking about the actual practical role of the royal family. I keep forgetting to say which I'm talking about, my bad. :v:[/QUOTE] OK I see, I should go to bed. The thing is that you seem to be talking about an absolute monarchy, whereas the UK is a parliamentary constitutional monarchy.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;29496720]I don't think so. My reason for not supporting monarchy is because they give huge amounts of political power to a single will which isn't representative of what the people want. Maybe there's [I]worse[/I] ways of governing, but that doesn't mean they're legitimate.[/QUOTE] Again, the people make or break the system of a monarchy. It can be really fucking good or really really bad. The current form is completely harmless.
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;29496900]OK I see, I should go to bed. The thing is that you seem to be talking about an absolute monarchy, whereas the UK is a parliamentary constitutional monarchy.[/QUOTE] Yeah I know, I acknowledge the distinction, hence I said I'm talking about the actual practical role of the royal family half of the time (which I acknowledge is constitutional) :P I'm holding two conversations at once, kinda. One about the real monarchy and one about the silly, redundant constitutional kind.
My stance on the Royals is this: I don't give a fuck. I don't like them, but don't give enough of a fuck to want to get rid of them. My main problem is the 'put there by God' thing.
[QUOTE=dirty harry;29497167]My stance on the Royals is this: I don't give a fuck. I don't like them, but don't give enough of a fuck to want to get rid of them. My main problem is the 'put there by God' thing.[/QUOTE] If it makes you feel any better, it's pretty clear in the history books that the last couple of royal lines have been put there by parliament.
haha enjoy paying for people to be born into wealth your not going to get!
i like the royals, they keep history and traditions alive and create a great image for the country. i see alot of people who seem to hate them for no reason other than to be ~angsty~ , they do a great job of representing the country and generally do nice things.
[QUOTE=BAZ;29497645]i like the royals, they keep history and traditions alive and create a great image for the country. i see alot of people who seem to hate them for no reason other than to be ~angsty~ , they do a great job of representing the country and generally do nice things.[/QUOTE] Yes clearly anyone who disagrees you is just being ~angsty~ they can't have a legitimate reason
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29497735]Yes clearly anyone who disagrees you is just being ~angsty~ they can't have a legitimate reason[/QUOTE] haven't really seen you post a legitimate reason
[QUOTE=BAZ;29497746]haven't really seen you post a legitimate reason[/QUOTE] Have you read the first page? What qualifies as a legitimate reason? Do the monarch needs to be kicking infants? [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] Indiscriminately, of course. We all know some infants are just asking for a good kicking.
Anyone who is against the Royal wedding is a bit silly. I get not being interested in it, because I'm not at all, but to actively be angry about it is just childish. Most people get the day off work and the whole country has a party, how could you not be a fan of that
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29497770]Have you read the first page? What qualifies as a legitimate reason? Do the monarch needs to be kicking infants? [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] Indiscriminately, of course. We all know some infants are just asking for a good kicking.[/QUOTE] lets recap your legitimate reasons [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29494311]Who gives a shit about the cost? Why would anyone want a monarch?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29494526]That's like saying I should cut off my finger to be different. Why would you ever want a monarch to differentiate yourself from the rest of the world? That's patently silly.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29494579]No that's not silly at all clearly you should support a system of governance who power derives from the fact that the ruler says they should be ruler because yay for tourism.[/QUOTE]
JohnnyMo doesn't really understand how a monarch works, teen angst for sure Baz, I think you are right on the money with that remark.
[QUOTE=BAZ;29497827]lets recap your legitimate reasons[/QUOTE] Let's recap your points illustrating why those are not good arguments: [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Appox;29497836]JohnnyMo doesn't really understand how a monarch works, teen angst for sure Baz, I think you are right on the money with that remark.[/QUOTE] yes, clearly isn't this what all the cool kids are doing nowadays FUCK AUTHORITY WHEN IT DOESN'T DERIVE FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29497839]Let's recap your points illustrating why those are not good arguments:[/QUOTE] why we shouldn't have a monarch by johnnymo first of all why would anyone want a monarch?? exactly! second of all monarchs ar only there for countrees to be different from the rest!! plus they get to rule a country becayse they say so!! how is that fair???
[QUOTE=Appox;29497836]JohnnyMo doesn't really understand how a monarch works, teen angst for sure Baz, I think you are right on the money with that remark.[/QUOTE] no one has angst but you, i guess we're offending you because we're insulting your monarchs. AKA your overlords.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29497839] yes, clearly isn't this what all the cool kids are doing nowadays FUCK AUTHORITY WHEN IT DOESN'T DERIVE FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED[/QUOTE] I would assume the majority of British people are in favor of a monarch. How could you not be
[QUOTE=Appox;29497836]JohnnyMo doesn't really understand how a monarch works, teen angst for sure Baz, I think you are right on the money with that remark.[/QUOTE] Hahaha, that's a good one.
[QUOTE=BAZ;29497908]why we shouldn't have a monarch by johnnymo first of all why would anyone want a monarch?? exactly! second of all monarchs ar only there for countrees to be different from the rest!! plus they get to rule a country becayse they say so!! how is that fair???[/QUOTE] You are literally devoid of a decent argument, aren't you. 1) "Why would anyone want a monarch" is not an argument against monarchs. Why did you include it? 2) I was refuting HIS claim that monarchs are there to give the UK some sort of character. 3) Pretending that is a dumb statement does not make it a dumb statement. It's absolutely true.
[QUOTE=Appox;29497930]I would assume the majority of British people are in favor of a monarch. How could you not be[/QUOTE] Because some people are against it? Simply by virtue of being British you are for it?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29497958]You are literally devoid of a decent argument, aren't you. 1) "Why would anyone want a monarch" is not an argument against monarchs. Why did you include it? 2) I was refuting HIS claim that monarchs are there to give the UK some sort of character. 3) Pretending that is a dumb statement does not make it a dumb statement. It's absolutely true.[/QUOTE] you obviously have no idea about how the british monarchy works
[QUOTE=BAZ;29497908]why we shouldn't have a monarch by johnnymo first of all why would anyone want a monarch?? exactly! second of all monarchs ar only there for countrees to be different from the rest!! plus they get to rule a country becayse they say so!! how is that fair???[/QUOTE] I know that's satire, but that's true. It isn't fair.
[QUOTE=Appox;29497930]I would assume the majority of British people are in favor of a monarch. How could you not be[/QUOTE] You right, how could I possibly not be? I am programmed to believe exactly what the majority believes. [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BAZ;29497970]you obviously have no idea about how the british monarchy works[/QUOTE] Enlighten me PLEASE oh great one you've done nothing but sit back and go "haha you're dumb!" without ever having to make a point ever.
i dont understand who the fuck wouldnt want a holiday on every wedding
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