• Why we (The United Kingdom), should continue to have a Royal Family.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;29498521]all you've done is suggest johnnymo1 is a pillock so what's really pointless is your squabbling[/QUOTE] i've suggested ways in which the monarch actively aid the country. johnnymo has suggested the monarchy is a symbol of oppression so they should be outed, but the pros outweigh the cons of keeping them.
[QUOTE=Hezzy;29498573]Bitches don't know about my Monarchy[/QUOTE] oh be quiet as if it's such a bloody difficult concept you found quite a ridiculous thing to be proud of i'm more proud of The Clash than the queen
I like her speeches at Christmas ;)
[QUOTE=BAZ;29498610]i've suggested ways in which the monarch actively aid the country. johnnymo has suggested the monarchy is a symbol of oppression so they should be outed, but the pros outweigh the cons of keeping them.[/QUOTE] well that's highly subjective isn't it
[QUOTE=BAZ;29498610]i've suggested ways in which the monarch actively aid the country. johnnymo has suggested the monarchy is a symbol of oppression so they should be outed, but the pros outweigh the cons of keeping them.[/QUOTE] well good obviously he doesn't see it that way doesn't mean you gonna have to start pulling ad hominems at him
[QUOTE=Appox;29498571]No one in the UK sees them as oppressive, more like smiley people that set up charities, retain a sort of national identity, and every so often do something that allows everyone to have the day off work and have a party.[/QUOTE] Yet again another "no one" or "most" with no verifiable source.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29498619]well that's highly subjective isn't it[/QUOTE] im sorry you feel oppressed as an american citizen living in america by a monarchy in another country.
[QUOTE=thisispain;29498596]my mum, her mum, my old friends, my parent's friends, people i've spoken to in the street, people in brighton, people in brixton, people in the east end.[/QUOTE] Hey look it's the "I was born in England I know what's going on but I haven't lived there since I was 6 months old" guy You know nothing, as usual
I always thought knighthood was pretty cool too
[QUOTE=BAZ;29498652]im sorry you feel oppressed as an american citizen living in america by a monarchy in another country.[/QUOTE] Stop making strawman arguments for 5 minutes okay
BUT WHY IS IT RYOAL??caps
[QUOTE=Hezzy;29498658]Hey look it's the "I was born in England I know what's going on but I haven't lived there since I was 6 months old" guy You know nothing, as usual[/QUOTE] Kinda harsh there.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29498628]Yet again another "no one" or "most" with no verifiable source.[/QUOTE] well as uk citizens i imagine we have more first hand experience with the people of the uk than you do.
[QUOTE=Bad)-(and;29495162]They're also born into an undeserving life of wealth and prosperity, while millions of British men and women struggle to get by.[/QUOTE] i don't think it'd make a difference but i don't live there so yeah
[QUOTE=BAZ;29498676]well as uk citizens i imagine we have more first hand experience with the people of the uk than you do.[/QUOTE] The plural of anecdotal evidence is not data.
[QUOTE=Hezzy;29498658]Hey look it's the "I was born in England I know what's going on but I haven't lived there since I was 6 months old" guy You know nothing, as usual[/QUOTE] 18 years old and a personal attack, really? don't be a baby
[QUOTE=Hezzy;29498658]Hey look it's the "I was born in England I know what's going on but I haven't lived there since I was 6 months old" guy You know nothing, as usual[/QUOTE] It's not as though he just come out and acted like some authority on the matter because he's British. Nothing he's said couldn't be said by an American just the same.
I'm not from the UK, so I admit I can't understand completely how you feel about the royal family and the benefits you get from them ruling your country. (Even tho I AFAIK it's the prime minister and the elected party who actually run the country). But my opinion is that anywhere on the world, countries shouldn't be run by royal families or regular politicians. Because royalty is just blood and DNA and politicians are just people who are good at using their words to control people. (Please bear with me, I know I might sound stupid.) I believe that if a country wants to be successful financially and make progress in the world it would need to be run by people who honestly care about the whole country, people that understand economics, people that understand business and people who are good politicians (in the sense that they can make people understand their point of view). And I believe all of this is not passed on with DNA, and with this the royal family is pretty much excluded from the bunch of people I believe could run a country well, generation to generation. Sorry for the long post and any typos and misspelled words.
[QUOTE=BAZ;29498676]well as uk citizens i imagine we have more first hand experience with the people of the uk than you do.[/QUOTE] what if you were in a mad house? wouldn't have much first hand experience there
I think most anti-royalists are simply political idealists. "We should get rid of the royals and have a democracy and everything would be fairer" It's all fine in theory, but in reality it would be a big upheaval and probably wouldn't replace the monarchy with anything better. We could be lucky and end up with something like the US, some kind of highly democratic republic, but we might not. I'm not a political student or anything, so you can take this with a pinch of salt, but I'd assume that to disband the monarchy, some kind of political or military force would need to seize power (I suppose it could technically happen through parliament but that has never happened except when the king was totally out of control). The leader of that force would take command of the country as president or dictator and then you are banking on him/her being a good enough person to run the country in a way that suits the people. It could happen, but I wouldn't bank on anybody who would seriously want to run a country turning out to be somebody [i]you[/i] would want running the country. Basically, I can't see it happening because it would be too much upheaval, unless Liz went TOTALLY nuts. There's not enough of a reason to cause that much trouble, unless you are a troublemaker. "It's not fair, they have too much money" isn't really a good enough rallying cry. To sum-up (MY OPINION): It's not too bad, it could be much worse, it would take a lot of effort to change it. Philosophising about fairness is moot. What do I know
the royal family really doesn't run the country i'm pretty sure i hear more about the government than the family itself other than the wedding
[quote]I think most anti-royalists are simply political idealists[/quote] of course i don't really give a toss about the queen in reality, i'm much more worried about these bills and my car and other stuff i have
[QUOTE=Nyaa;29498743]I'm not from the UK, so I admit I can't understand completely how you feel about the royal family and the benefits you get from them ruling your country. (Even tho I AFAIK it's the prime minister and the elected party who actually run the country). But my opinion is that anywhere on the world, countries shouldn't be run by royal families or regular politicians. Because royalty is just blood and DNA and politicians are just people who are good at using their words to control people. (Please bear with me, I know I might sound stupid.) I believe that if a country wants to be successful financially and make progress in the world it would need to be run by people who honestly care about the whole country, people that understand economics, people that understand business and people who are good politicians (in the sense that they can make people understand their point of view). And I believe all of this is not passed on with DNA, and with this the royal family is pretty much excluded from the bunch of people I believe could run a country well, generation to generation. Sorry for the long post and any typos and misspelled words.[/QUOTE] They royal family don't really run anything, and everyone in the UK knows this. We are also about to vote on voting reform, so we may be a step closing to having a system where we can better elect people we believe truly do care.
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;29498782]Good point.[/QUOTE] Yes in reality changing it would take a lot of effort. If things were really that bad, being the way they are, the public WOULD rise and demand change. But since that's not happening, I guess things aren't that bad.
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;29498782]I think most anti-royalists are simply political idealists. "We should get rid of the royals and have a democracy and everything would be fairer" It's all fine in theory, but in reality it would be a big upheaval and probably wouldn't replace the monarchy with anything better. We could be lucky and end up with something like the US, some kind of highly democratic republic, but we might not. I'm not a political student or anything, so you can take this with a pinch of salt, but I'd assume that to disband the monarchy, some kind of political or military force would need to seize power (I suppose it could technically happen through parliament but that has never happened except when the king was totally out of control). The leader of that force would take command of the country as president or dictator and then you are banking on him/her being a good enough person to run the country in a way that suits the people. It could happen, but I wouldn't bank on anybody who would seriously want to run a country turning out to be somebody [i]you[/i] would want running the country. Basically, I can't see it happening because it would be too much upheaval, unless Liz went TOTALLY nuts. There's not enough of a reason to cause that much trouble, unless you are a troublemaker. "It's not fair, they have too much money" isn't really a good enough rallying cry. To sum-up (MY OPINION): It's not too bad, it could be much worse, it would take a lot of effort to change it. Philosophising about fairness is moot. What do I know[/QUOTE] Wow some I don't agree with who can make a reasonable argument that isn't just an attempt to belittle the other person.
[QUOTE=Appox;29498809]We are also about to vote on voting reform[/QUOTE] oh right big moment there
[QUOTE=Nyaa;29498829]Yes in reality changing it would take a lot of effort. If things were really that bad, being the way they are, the public WOULD rise and demand change. But since that's not happening, I guess things aren't that bad.[/QUOTE] Things are the opposite to bad. They generate wealth, and I'd argue the majority of people are happy with the national identity they provide.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29498853]Wow some I don't agree with who can make a reasonable argument that isn't just an attempt to belittle the other person.[/QUOTE] well now you've got one. hurry up and write a rebuttal
[QUOTE=thisispain;29498855]oh right big moment there[/QUOTE] Does that create some sort of recursive feedback loop that will cause the whole institution of voting to explode? [editline]28th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;29498862]well now you've got one. hurry up and write a rebuttal[/QUOTE] Well his argument is just that it doesn't matter enough for people to want to change it but it would matter to me but he's right that it's just not enough to an issue for people to actively want to get rid of it so I can't really rebut can I run-on sentences are fun
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;29498863]Does that create some sort of recursive feedback loop that will cause the whole institution of voting to explode?[/QUOTE] supposedly the people of the UK will be more represented in elections if AV is adopted
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