The use of drugs in achieving positive ethical standing - Point of discussion? - General

[QUOTE=ironman17;33151624]Vaporising weed is indeed better than smoking it; smoke of any kind (including dry ice since that's CO2) is damaging to one's lungs and the passages that lead to it. If I ever did weed i'd go for the vapour instead of the joint.[/QUOTE] There's really no need to fear that in the first place unless you become some hardcore everyday smoker. Even then you'd need to do it for years on end before you started getting negative effects.

Thanks for the tip, but I still don't wanna actually smoke anything; i'm not exactly a friend of the fire.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;33151554]Sure about that? I mean, they inject a lot of shit to people intravenously in hospitals. But anyway, doing, smoking or fucking firing up any nasty drug is very dumb in the first place.[/QUOTE] Yes, it's just a symptom of heavy use, IVing once doesn't cause them to collapse or shouldn't. And I'm not going to bother arguing with someone whos going to call me an idiot for using a "nasty drug". I'm just not someone who mindlessly believes everything that DARE etc tells you.

[QUOTE=Callius;33152115]Yes, it's just a symptom of heavy use, IVing once doesn't cause them to collapse or shouldn't. And I'm not going to bother arguing with someone whos going to call me an idiot for using a "nasty drug". I'm just not someone who mindlessly believes everything that DARE etc tells you.[/QUOTE] You can't deny that it is harmful.

[QUOTE=Callius;33151399] You act as if pill chemists are wankers who would drive on the pavement to hit kids on the way to work. You know it's much easier to get a kilo of flour and use that as a binding agent that it is to smash up a window and grind it into powdered glass. Byproducts I can understand but if you invalidate them by calling them harmless, which by definition means consuming they wouldn't be a problem.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that "harmless" was a typo and crushed glass was a hyperbole. Point still stands that depending on your source, the active ingredient may not be the thing you have to worry about. I remember hearing somewhere (from a lecturer) that flour wasn't good because it was either too sticky or not sticky enough.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33152779]You can't deny that it is harmful.[/QUOTE] To be honest, the only thing harmful about heroin itself is the addiction. Apart from making you addicted it doesn't really affect your health, its the stuff that you do because you are addicted that does. [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jabberwocky;33158563]Yeah, that "harmless" was a typo and crushed glass was a hyperbole. Point still stands that depending on your source, the active ingredient may not be the thing you have to worry about. I remember hearing somewhere (from a lecturer) that flour wasn't good because it was either too sticky or not sticky enough.[/QUOTE] Then buy a tester kit to see if your pills are mdma or not. Its not like it has to be a game of chance.

I don't judge people because they do drugs. Maybe that's because I do drugs too. Everybody's got their poison. Legal or illegal. You can get addicted to anything. Computers, food, sex, etc.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33152779]You can't deny that it is harmful.[/QUOTE] If you mean heroin I can, there is little harm in using heroin, the addiction it can form yes the lifestyle associated with that can be harmful but so long as you keep your addiction fed or don't get addicted there's little in the way of physical damage caused by it. Most the complications come with th adulterants used to cut it which would mostly be non existant if it was legal and could be regulated. Can you give me specific example of the harm it causes? [editline]9th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jabberwocky;33158563]I remember hearing somewhere (from a lecturer) that flour wasn't good because it was either too sticky or not sticky enough.[/QUOTE] Flour was just an example of something which is cheap and easy to get. I think caffine is oftenly used actually.

[QUOTE=Callius;33200338]If you mean heroin I can, there is little harm in using heroin, the addiction it can form yes the lifestyle associated with that can be harmful but so long as you keep your addiction fed or don't get addicted there's little in the way of physical damage caused by it. Most the complications come with th adulterants used to cut it which would mostly be non existant if it was legal and could be regulated. [editline]9th November 2011[/editline] Flour was just an example of something which is cheap and easy to get. I think caffine is oftenly used actually.[/QUOTE] I think the biggest risk associated with heroin use is the quality control (also obviously addiction, but you mentioned that).

[QUOTE=brianosaur;33200295]I don't judge people because they do drugs. Maybe that's because I do drugs too. Everybody's got their poison. Legal or illegal. You can get addicted to anything. Computers, food, sex, etc.[/QUOTE] There is a distinct difference between a psychological addiction and a physical addiciton. For psychological, you're addicted to the happiness or euphoria (or other things) something gives you. For physical addictions, your body undergoes a physiological change meaning that it now requires the drug to maintain homeostasis. That's why withdrawal symptoms can be so bad for things like heroin.

People think of dumb shit when they're high, its not the drugs that make you more ethical but rather the social aspects behind it. The Romans didn't become more ethical by smoking hemp and fucking whores.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33210214]People think of dumb shit when they're high [/QUOTE] That statement is waaaay too much of a sweeping generalization to have any real meaning.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33210214]People think of dumb shit when they're high, its not the drugs that make you more ethical but rather the social aspects behind it. The Romans didn't become more ethical by smoking hemp and fucking whores.[/QUOTE] You don't smoke hemp.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33210214]People think of dumb shit when they're high, its not the drugs that make you more ethical but rather the social aspects behind it. The Romans didn't become more ethical by [B]smoking hemp[/B] and fucking whores.[/QUOTE] I don't think you know enough about smoking cannabis and its effects.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33210214]People think of dumb shit when they're high, its not the drugs that make you more ethical but rather the social aspects behind it. The Romans didn't become more ethical by smoking hemp and fucking whores.[/QUOTE] You don't smoke hemp. Do you even know what you're talking about? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33210214]People think of dumb shit when they're high, its not the drugs that make you more ethical but rather the social aspects behind it. The Romans didn't become more ethical by smoking hemp and fucking whores.[/QUOTE] The Roman's are hardly what I'd call ethical.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33251165]The Roman's are hardly what I'd call ethical.[/QUOTE] hey I think you missed my last reply [quote=me]Can you give me specific example of the harm it causes? [/quote] (refering to heroin) I'd be glad to know as an occasional user.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33210214]People think of dumb shit when they're high, its not the drugs that make you more ethical but rather the social aspects behind it.[/QUOTE] What a ridiculous and uninformed generalization. Nothing in this post was knowledgeable at all, and is entirely personal bias. Don't post here again if you're not going to make intelligent discussion.

I really think,what person wants to do for himself, as long as it's not hurting other, everything is okay.

[QUOTE=overpain;33289535]I really think,what person wants to do for himself, as long as it's not hurting other, everything is okay.[/QUOTE] That's the type of outlook that should be shared by everyone. I'm fine with people not understanding the breakdown of ethical implications so long as they understand the overall "Do what you want if it doesn't hurt anyone else" concept.