• What do other countries see as their 'heroes'?
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Max Mosley and Sir Oswald Mosley :v:
Romania: 1.Vlad Tepes (AKA Dracula) [IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dF2T1qhGggU/S7Ye4IFFlsI/AAAAAAAAAAM/Ee3VOMwCYS4/s1600/vlad_tepes_big-x01.jpg[/IMG] 2.Ion Antonescu (country and army's general while we were allied with the Axis, say what you wish, but he did great things for the country, too bad he had to be executed when we went Allies) [IMG]http://www.realitatearomaneasca.ro/poze/articole/articol_10_1193145075.jpg[/IMG] 3.Mihai Viteazul (killed shitloads of turks) [IMG]http://www.manastireavarbila.ase.ro/Alte%20poze%20necesare%20siteului/mihai%20viteazu%20poza%202.JPG[/IMG] 4.Alexandru Ioan Cuza (united the remaining unaligned principates under one ruler) [IMG]http://olteniada.weblog.ro/usercontent/54/54657/alexandru_ioan_cuza.jpg[/IMG] 5.Henri Coanda (built the first jet plane) [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/IICCR_G240_Ceausescu_Coanda_crop.jpg[/img] [IMG]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IICCR_G240_Ceausescu_Coanda_crop.jpg[/IMG] There are others but these are enough I suppose.
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[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26223995]That man was a dickhead. The only people who think he was a good guy are those who have only seen his face on posters and heard him say "urarhgg we'll faight derm on tha beasches". Just look at his real political past instead of the superficial Second World War stuff. A drunken, misogynist career politician who sent thousands of soldiers to their deaths in the First World War and wrecked the British economy in the 1920s.[/QUOTE] I think that's rather unfair. I agree that he would make a good peacetime leader, but he was a good wartime leader - he was ruthless and was prepared to do whatever was necessary to get things done. His decision to sink the French fleet is an example. He felt genuine sorrow over giving the order (he actually cried, I believe), but realised that it would be catastrophic if the fleet fell into German hands. He was also realistic and wasn't afraid to kiss Roosevelt's ass in order to win his favour to at least get aid, but preferably to get them into the war (which he managed). He was a brilliant speaker. Not exactly a clear one, I admit, but I can't believe you are criticising him for trying to rouse some fighting spirit and patriotism into the British people? What do you expect him to say? Would you happier if he said "we're fucked, let's just surrender"? He spoke his mind, yes, and this led to him being controversial. But to say he was only interested in furthering his name in history is completely unrealistic. His second run as prime minister (yes, he was prime minister again after the war) was unremarkable and, to be honest, did nothing noteworthy or controversial. Does that sound like a man who was trying to further his name? I see Churchill as a British and political version of Patton: prepared to speak his mind, do what he likes and damn the consequences. Not because he wants to be famous, but because that is how he is. An interesting article on him: [url]http://www.ralphmag.org/DI/churchill-reading.html[/url] If he drank a lot, so what? People have their vices. Also remember that there is a difference between being drunk and drinking a lot. Some people can handle their alcohol very well, and Churchill was one such person: [quote]There is, writes Warren Kimball, "no credible testimony of Churchill's being drunk, in the falling-down slurred-words sense, while he was Prime Minister."[/quote] [quote]Yet he was clearly dependent on alcohol, and capable on occasion of absorbing quantities that would have rendered lesser men incapable --- a feat that stood him in good stead at Kremlin banquets.[/quote]
[media]http://www.sr.se/press/bildmapp/37256_109_170.jpg[/media] Sweden's last great hero. :sweden:
Well, i think Aleksandr Antonov is a Russian national hero. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tambov_Rebellion[/url] It was the Russian people to revolt against communism.
[QUOTE=David29;26224309]I think that's rather unfair. I agree that he would make a good peacetime leader[/quote] I assume you mean "wouldn't"? [quote]I can't believe you are criticising him for trying to rouse some fighting spirit and patriotism into the British people?[/quote] Where did I do this? [quote]Does that sound like a man who was trying to further his name?[/quote] No it sounds like an old man who had already achieved the glory he sought and then found himself way out of his depth dealing with post-war politics. [quote]I see Churchill as a British and political version of Patton[/quote] Yeah except Patton was a sound military tactician. [quote]Not because he wants to be famous[/quote] Oh come on now. You present a very solid argument on his work as a war-time leader, which I'm not bashing especially - he got the job done - but you can't possibly say that he was not a glory-seeking career politician unless you are completely ignoring all of his work before the war.
In terms of apples and motion, the English produced Isaac Newton. The Swiss, William Tell.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26224388]I assume you mean "wouldn't"?[/QUOTE] Apologies, you are correct. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26224388]Where did I do this?[/QUOTE] That's the impression I got when you commented on his speeches. Apologies again if I got that wrong. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26224388]No it sounds like an old man who had already achieved the glory he sought and then found himself way out of his depth dealing with post-war politics.[/QUOTE] It's hard to shake glory and fame after winning a war. It's for that reason that I remember Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower. Hell, it's pretty much only because Eisenhower led the Allies to victory that he was elected. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26224388]Yeah except Patton was a sound military tactician.[/QUOTE] I don't dispute that, but in my view Churchill was a sound war politician. [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26224388]Oh come on now. You present a very solid argument on his work as a war-time leader, which I'm not bashing especially - he got the job done - but you can't possibly say that he was not a glory-seeking career politician unless you are completely ignoring all of his work before the war.[/QUOTE] I haven't forgotten things he had done prior to the war. His hardly deserves a pat on the back for Gallipoli. But then again, we wouldn't have the tank if it wasn't for Churchill.
[QUOTE=Dragon Master;26224036]Churchil was one of Britains greatest leaders![/QUOTE] Granted, that's not a hard feat.
Geert Wilders [img]http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/geert-wilders.jpg[/img] He wants to get rid of all immigrants.
THE BIG BLACK BOX OF MECCA [img]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/gulf/images/mecca-26.jpg[/img]
Vytautas, because during his military rule Lithuania expanded from their current territory to black sea. We were huge ass country BUT we had to fuck up...
China sees it as a greeting
[QUOTE=Luafox;26220946][img_thumb]http://www.jarnling.se/Olof%20Palme.jpg[/img_thumb] Olof Palme [img_thumb]http://www.hell-man.se/bilder/GoranPersson.jpg[/img_thumb] Göran Persson :sweden:[/QUOTE] Palme wasn't a hero, he was a fucking commie and also i don't get the fuss about him getting shot and how he was a man of the people. Also fatty Göran Persson did nothing but sit on his ass, drink the booze from his wifes' company and steal candy. Yes, he did indeed steal candy once. Choose someone important like Nobel and fucking Carl Von Linné
[QUOTE=PulpedFiction;26222134][img_thumb]http://creativereview.co.uk/images/meerkat_0.jpg[/img_thumb] Brits will understand.[/QUOTE] Surely he would be a Russian hero!
Atta turk
[QUOTE=Gmans Granny;26224844]Palme wasn't a hero, he was a fucking commie and also i don't get the fuss about him getting shot and how he was a man of the people. Also fatty Göran Persson did nothing but sit on his ass, drink the booze from his wifes' company and steal candy. Yes, he did indeed steal candy once. Choose someone important like Nobel and fucking Carl Von Linné[/QUOTE] But Palme and Persson were the glorious Fathers of the People! :ussr:
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;26224563]Geert Wilders [img_thumb]http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/geert-wilders.jpg[/img_thumb] He wants to get rid of all immigrants.[/QUOTE] No, that's just media propaganda. I like him.
[QUOTE=Gmans Granny;26224844]Palme wasn't a hero, he was a fucking commie and also i don't get the fuss about him getting shot and how he was a man of the people. Also fatty Göran Persson did nothing but sit on his ass, drink the booze from his wifes' company and steal candy. Yes, he did indeed steal candy once. Choose someone important like Nobel and fucking Carl Von Linné[/QUOTE] Olof Palme was praised by everyone in Sweden. Everyone! Even people being firmly rooted in the opposition mourned his loss because he was just that fucking great. And please differ between communism och socialism. You just sound like an ignorant american only having conservatists and liberals. It's a shame the US has only two right wing parties.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;26224625]Vytautas, because during his military rule Lithuania expanded from their current territory to black sea. We were huge ass country BUT we had to fuck up...[/QUOTE] No, we didn't fuck up, it's the russians that decided to just come here and take over pretty much all of the land.
[QUOTE=Gmans Granny;26224844]Palme wasn't a hero, he was a fucking commie[/QUOTE] Why is this automatically a bad thing?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;26224396]In terms of apples and motion, the English produced Isaac Newton.[/QUOTE] newton was an arrogant dick
Audie Murphy for U.S.A
Stephen Fry and Patrick Stewart
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26224180]Hahahaha Churchill. A Conservative? Hahah. Please, he was Liberal before that - he just flicked between whichever party was in power so that he could advance his own pitiful quest for fame and glory. That man had no morals, no opinions - only an ego. Um.... what? How does my Gold Member status make me any more able to argue with you than any other member? Regardless, I have known of the failure of the Galipolli campaign for about 4 years now. Shit mate, you learn that crap at GCSE History. Simple stuff.[/QUOTE] I didn't Pick History :v: I picked Business Studies, Graphics Design Tech, ICT and Resistant Materials. well, I gotta admit, I don't really know jack about Churchil, so I gotta take your word for it and your a fellow Brit. Hate arguing with me Bretheren :v:. You won this arguement :wotwot: [editline]22nd November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=mrfrogurt;26224863]Surely he would be a Russian hero![/QUOTE] Why would he be a Russian hero if he is ony known by Brits. [editline]22nd November 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;26225777]newton was an arrogant dick[/QUOTE] Your an arrogant dick. :v:
England - Stephen Fry [IMG_THUMB]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JqYd3xXiruw/TJ5381ek-_I/AAAAAAAADmw/D86g7eYXdJA/s1600/Esquire-stephen-fry.jpg[/IMG_THUMB]
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26225346]Why is this automatically a bad thing?[/QUOTE] Because communism has never led to anything good except maybe USSR's technology. Looking at countries like Cuba, North Korea and most of eastern europe during the oppression of Soviet it didn't work out so good for them. Now the whole idea of Communism is great but the level we have put it in during the whole history of mankind since communism was invented, it never, ever worked that way. Also to the guy that told me that I look like a dumb american, I am actually polish and ignorance doesn't only come from americans. And Palmes' socialism wasn't no where near socialism as it is usually. He praised communism and didn't even give a fuck about soviet subs on swedish territory. I do know he was praised by so many, but i guess on Olof Palme i was more hung up on my opinion so I'm not gonna try to start a debate since we all know how facepunch responds to opinions.
Fascist ideologies like Communism and Nazism will never succeed in an open and free society.
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LOIfYbRO4Ag/S_88-pRCOCI/AAAAAAAAEDo/BoD43gXAczE/s400/ElCid.jpg[/img] El cid, Among others
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