• Ricers vs Tuners
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[QUOTE=alx12345;51630809]SI is overpriced imo.[/QUOTE] Maybe. On paper it's nothing to brag about and you can get better performing cars for around the same price range. It's far from being the fastest, best accelerating, and best handling vehicle but you don't want anything else from it when you drive it. I've never wished for it to be faster, lighter, or turn better because it's incredibly responsive and does what I want it to. The interior is also really comfortable and nothing about it is ugly or impractical, it's just really well designed, simple, and practical without looking and feeling cheap. Also it has an amazing sound system. Honestly, the only problems I have with the car are the small rear windows, the stiff track suspension(I need new struts anyway, previous owner neglected to change them) is uncomfortable on less than perfect roads, and the 6 inch ground clearance means I have to go sideways to get up my steep driveway and I feel my anus clench whenever I have to go up a driveway. It's a car you'd have to drive to appreciate because nothing about the specs is impressive for the price range except that you're getting 200 hp out of a high revving NA 2.0L 4 cylinder.
They are so popular around here i can nearly see one every street corner, i think older honda, type r or so, was the true honda, but it will literaly be stolen even before you buy it. I have a speed 3 2.3 turbo 2010, bought it at 39k miles and paid 12k$ US for it, plus tech package (Rotating xenon headlight, bose sound system and other stuff), 263hp/280tq stock, with only about 800-1000$ of mods: SRI, downpipe, turbo inlet, used acessport with a tune and a HPFP upgrade (a MUST), the car will have about 380hp, ive seen one at 800hp on same MZR engine base. The stock tune is shit, and also limit power in the first 3 gear, because torque steer. The best bang for buck and my daily car, no rust at all even after 7 years, been winter car too. I agree that there are so many honda enthusiast thats kills it (ricer), and even made them police magnet over here.
[QUOTE=Lizzrd;51631703]Pretty sure a ricer car is any car that has a bunch of shit thrown on it to look like it's high performance without actually increasing the performance in any way. Ex: mufflers that do a shit job of muffling etc.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://img.actualidadmotor.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/tuning-barato.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=HTS CONNER;51619425]Slamming a car is stupid imo. I cant even imagine trying to drive a car that low...[/QUOTE] It isn't hard. I didn't quite slam my Z3 but I had a lot of fun with it being about 2" lower than stock, just enough to clear speed bumps without having to go at an angle. It still had plenty of travel and a low enough spring rate to not be too harsh with moderate rebound. And I gotta say, I thought it looked beautiful. Handled extremely well too, didn't oversteer unless I really wanted it to. It gets a little absurd when your offset truly exceeds the limit of the fender and you have to really pull to clear, or run 60 psi with stretched tires. All my shit cleared easy with a simple roll and no poke, just nice and clean. It CAN be done right and be functional. For exhaust I just swapped in a dual chamber muffler, had it professionally welded at a shop and they did an excellent job. Never added a tip, just enough 2.5" piping to clear the bumper and it sounded great without being too loud. People just go way overboard, especially when they're trying to pull things off on a budget. [t]http://imgur.com/kO9t56e.jpg[/t] [t]http://imgur.com/1ku6BGT.jpg[/t] [t]http://imgur.com/BvAdC08.jpg[/t]
At least you didn't mess with camber. Wheels sticking out at a 45 degree angle makes a car look like an overbred german shepherd and about as functional.
[QUOTE=Drury;51637790]At least you didn't mess with camber. Wheels sticking out at a 45 degree angle makes a car look like an overbred german shepherd and about as functional.[/QUOTE] Well, camber was adjusted. With a fixed rear end like the e30 (which is what came on the z3), camber was not adjustable without extreme modification or very minor adjustments via offset bushings. As I lowered the car the camber increased naturally, about 1.8 degrees iirc. Front I ran camber plates and dialed in a little more positive camber to reduce any possible understeer while maintain the ability to oversteer when needed. I really wanted the car to be daily drivable and it was, while still looking super dope and slightly stanced. Admittedly the fixed rear alignment hurt my wallet as I replaced performance tires every 4-5k or so due to negative camber wear.
While yall talking about slammed and camber, check out this beast. :v: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZmR0AafOwk[/media] [sp]That poor miata.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Snapster;51641191]While yall talking about slammed and camber, check out this beast. :v: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZmR0AafOwk[/media] [sp]That poor miata.[/sp][/QUOTE] Why is the world so cruel to miatas [img]http://i.imgur.com/Svb5LwM.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/hNqKSES.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Snapster;51641191]While yall talking about slammed and camber, check out this beast. :v: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZmR0AafOwk[/media] [sp]That poor miata.[/sp][/QUOTE] I kind of love it, it reminds me of a pod racer / mad max mashup.
[QUOTE=Snapster;51641191]While yall talking about slammed and camber, check out this beast. :v: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZmR0AafOwk[/media] [sp]That poor miata.[/sp][/QUOTE] That doesn't even look good, it looks painful. I never understood stancing.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51634707]Maybe. On paper it's nothing to brag about and you can get better performing cars for around the same price range. It's far from being the fastest, best accelerating, and best handling vehicle but you don't want anything else from it when you drive it. I've never wished for it to be faster, lighter, or turn better because it's incredibly responsive and does what I want it to. [/QUOTE] That's how I feel about my Legacy GT wagon. It's not the fastest or sharpest handling vehicle on the road, but it's quite fun for what it is. Has a nice even 250HP/250TQ, and the transmission and turbo are perfectly matched for the driving conditions I'm normally in. The engine is really smooth as well and doesn't complain if I decide to hold the gears out. It's also a practical vehicle and makes it easy to transport things around, since the rear seats will fold flat. I think the only thing I'd like to change out would be the factory tune for the ECU, it's honestly not the best and definitely limits performance.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51641249] [t]http://i.imgur.com/hNqKSES.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] I'm gonna throw up.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51641249]Why is the world so cruel to miatas [img]http://i.imgur.com/Svb5LwM.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/hNqKSES.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Reminds me of some unholy creation made up from a ressurected family pet, like that one dog in American Dad that went through some messed up "augmentations" to be able to live, and basicaly ended up a freak of nature rivaling Frankenstein's monster.
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51641278]That doesn't even look good, it looks painful. I never understood stancing.[/QUOTE] IT'S A LIFESTYLE BRUH. In all seriousness though some people wanted to copy the Japanese bippu and shakotan style cars and they took it way too far. They also take it way too seriously, a good lot of these people consider it a lifestyle or some shit.
Anytime anyone lowers a car, it just looks like one of those eighties 'luxury' boxes with a brokenass sagging air suspension, doubly so if it's stanced. It looks like there's something seriously wrong with the suspension of the car, but that's just me.
[t]https://puu.sh/tgBgW/dfb30585dc.jpg[/t] :hammered:
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;51644535]Reminds me of some unholy creation made up from a ressurected family pet, like that one dog in American Dad that went through some messed up "augmentations" to be able to live, and basicaly ended up a freak of nature rivaling Frankenstein's monster.[/QUOTE] It genuinely does, like at a quick glance I thought he was going for like a WW2 fighter look, but no it literally is just cobbled together pieces that are just chucked on. There is nothing redeeming about that poor car anymore, I don't know how anyone can look at that and think "yeah that looks nice". Like the designer in me is screaming at it, this is a thing that should not be.
[QUOTE=Zorlok;51645080][t]https://puu.sh/tgBgW/dfb30585dc.jpg[/t] :hammered:[/QUOTE] Not a car they go shopping with very often, I assume. Speed bumps are killer. Also, one thing I will never understand about stancing: tires are designed to have good friction between your car and your road. So why would you completely ignore the tread of your tire and fuck up your tire setup so bad that you're almost driving on the sidewall? That sounds like a recipe for disaster (and buying lots of tires.) It works on sports cars because they have tires that are designed to work with camber. The flat, treaded tires on your everyday car just do not seem at all appropriate for hella camber, bro. Although I'm expecting a lot from a crowd that seems to put more money into [I]looking [/I]like your car is hot shit instead of having a halfway decent car.
Form > Function is hard for some people to understand. They just care about the look, not about how often they replace tires, whether or not the car is drivable, or the performance loss associated. They have the expendable income to dump it into the car however they please. We can think it's stupid all we like but ultimately it's going to keep happening and the fad only continues to grow.
It hurts to look at. [t]https://puu.sh/tgFRF/e10cf8a0d4.jpg[/t] Also that licence plate. [QUOTE=Protocol7;51645309]Not a car they go shopping with very often, I assume. Speed bumps are killer. Also, one thing I will never understand about stancing: tires are designed to have good friction between your car and your road. So why would you completely ignore the tread of your tire and fuck up your tire setup so bad that you're almost driving on the sidewall? That sounds like a recipe for disaster (and buying lots of tires.) It works on sports cars because they have tires that are designed to work with camber. The flat, treaded tires on your everyday car just do not seem at all appropriate for hella camber, bro. Although I'm expecting a lot from a crowd that seems to put more money into [I]looking [/I]like your car is hot shit instead of having a halfway decent car.[/QUOTE] It's honestly not a good setup, and it can be dangerous too. I'm willing to bet most of those people don't factor in the stress it puts on other suspension and drivetrain components as well.
[QUOTE=Aetna;51645337]Form > Function is hard for some people to understand. They just care about the look, not about how often they replace tires, whether or not the car is drivable, or the performance loss associated. They have the expendable income to dump it into the car however they please. We can think it's stupid all we like but ultimately it's going to keep happening and the fad only continues to grow.[/QUOTE] I guess; it just seems like it's a horrible idea to make your car actively unsafe. Like, take a Subaru for example. Straightpiping them is pretty common, makes them loud, but does have an appreciable power boost. Downside: Loud. Upside: Power boost (if you tune the ECU as well, hacking your exhaust apart doesn't magically +50HP.) Then stancing cars comes along. Downside: Hella unsafe, fucks up your tires. Upside: Looks subjectively good?? Of course the Subaru can be done better with a high flow cat or some other mods, but I know straightpiping is way cheaper. That makes sense to me. Fucking up your car to questionable safety standards and spending an egregious amount of money in doing so does not.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51641249]Why is the world so cruel to miatas [img]http://i.imgur.com/hNqKSES.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] [t]http://www.norvillerogers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Mad-Max-Blood-Bag.jpg[/t]
I love Japanese cars. I daily drive my Supra all year round and it has been the most reliable car I've ever owned, and it's almost 22 years old. It has given me many great memories with friends and has always treated me well. [t]http://i.imgur.com/p47GC3W.jpg[/t]
I can't remember, is yours N/A or turbo? Either way it's a beautiful car and I love the white with black rims.
[QUOTE=Ferosso;51645419]I love Japanese cars. I daily drive my Supra all year round and it has been the most reliable car I've ever owned, and it's almost 22 years old. It has given me many great memories with friends and has always treated me well. [t]http://i.imgur.com/p47GC3W.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Nice, if you drove that here in California, a lot of dudes would be willing to suck your dick or let you fuck their girlfriends if they could just sit in it
[QUOTE=Ferosso;51645419]I love Japanese cars. I daily drive my Supra all year round and it has been the most reliable car I've ever owned, and it's almost 22 years old. It has given me many great memories with friends and has always treated me well. [t]http://i.imgur.com/p47GC3W.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/Un96M20.png[/img] [editline]9th January 2017[/editline] Really though it's a beautiful and nice car, I just can never unsee the grin.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;51645367]I guess; it just seems like it's a horrible idea to make your car actively unsafe. Like, take a Subaru for example. Straightpiping them is pretty common, makes them loud, but does have an appreciable power boost. Downside: Loud. Upside: Power boost (if you tune the ECU as well, hacking your exhaust apart doesn't magically +50HP.) Then stancing cars comes along. Downside: Hella unsafe, fucks up your tires. Upside: Looks subjectively good?? Of course the Subaru can be done better with a high flow cat or some other mods, but I know straightpiping is way cheaper. That makes sense to me. Fucking up your car to questionable safety standards and spending an egregious amount of money in doing so does not.[/QUOTE] Tbh if done correctly and driven correctly it's not inherently unsafe - but again, they're not doing it for any performance benefit whatsoever. It's not like they have a misconception that dumping the car on its nuts will make it handle better or gain additional power, it's all for what, as you said, subjectively looks good to them. I've known dudes who drop their cars like this on bags so when they drive to events they can be at normal ride height, then drop when they get there. There's ways to achieve the look safely but 99% of the time it's dudes with an $800 budget, rims they snagged off craigslist, Raceland coils with the helper springs removed, and a baseball bat to roll/pull the fenders with and crack/destroy the paint in the process.
[QUOTE=Aetna;51646044]Tbh if done correctly and driven correctly it's not inherently unsafe - but again, they're not doing it for any performance benefit whatsoever. It's not like they have a misconception that dumping the car on its nuts will make it handle better or gain additional power, it's all for what, as you said, subjectively looks good to them. I've known dudes who drop their cars like this on bags so when they drive to events they can be at normal ride height, then drop when they get there. There's ways to achieve the look safely but 99% of the time it's dudes with an $800 budget, rims they snagged off craigslist, Raceland coils with the helper springs removed, and a baseball bat to roll/pull the fenders with and crack/destroy the paint in the process.[/QUOTE] Most of the time they just cut the springs or heat shrink them. Air bag suspension is the right way to do it. It's really hard to like Hondas and hate stance because a lot of people fuck up their civics, RSX's, and S2000's with this
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51646188]Most of the time they just cut the springs or heat shrink them. Air bag suspension is the right way to do it. It's really hard to like Hondas and hate stance because a lot of people fuck up their civics, RSX's, and S2000's with this[/QUOTE] When it's done right and is reversible I really don't mind it, and can actually respect the owner for putting in the time and work to make the car the way they wanted it. I don't judge. And tbh, Tyler Fialko's NA Miata posted above is almost art to me, I actually like the thing. It's just so fucking absurd to the point I can't help but like it. That Miata was absolute garbage when he bought it, thing was rotting and neglected and at the very least he brought it back to life in a crazy way, it's like the frankenmiata. The dude dailies a Z06, it's not like he's an idiot. But yeah, when you're ruining a really nice platform someone would have babied, it's kinda frustrating. It's nearly impossible for me to find a clean e36 or s13/14 anymore.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;51646188] It's really hard to like Hondas and hate stance because a lot of people fuck up their civics, RSX's, and S2000's with this[/QUOTE] CRXs are another vehicle that rarely seem to escape some form of severe molestation. Most of them around here are gone by now, since the winter months are extremely rough on the older Japenese vehicles. But there is a black one I see during the warmer weather that is 100% bone stock. Same goes for the remaining 240SXs / 300ZXs I've seen around here, most of them are in severe disrepair and have extremely distasteful exterior mods.
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