Obama: Great president or greatest? - General

[QUOTE=Steak;23573179]Anyone who disagrees has no common sense in politics.[/QUOTE] It's hard to argue with that logic.

[QUOTE=Steak;23573179]Obama is [b]THE WORST PRESIDENT[/b] in the history of our country. Worse than Carter: "Lets pull teh US out of dee olympics durr." When Reagan came in he cleaned the shit Carter left behind. It will be the same with whoever is president after Obama. Anyone who disagrees has no common sense in politics. Sure, he is a good speaker, but he has yet to fulfill one promise. He is clueless.[/QUOTE] Worse than Bush? Worse than the president who got America in two wars and took a surplus and turned it into a huge deficit?

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;23573178]What about it?[/QUOTE] Gee, the rampant abuse of workers' rights, the massive lack of safety, the huge mega-corporations that emerged as a result, the lack of minimum wages? Maybe the constant twenty hour workdays? None of that was bad at all, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;23573225]Worse than Bush? Worse than the president who got America in two wars and took a surplus and turned it into a huge deficit?[/QUOTE] Only an idiot would say that Obama was worse than Bush. But that's still not saying that Obama is good.

[QUOTE=Steak;23573179] Anyone who disagrees has no common sense in politics. Sure, he is a good speaker, but he has yet to fulfill one promise. He is clueless.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/[/url]

He said Obama is the WORST though

[QUOTE=Lambeth;23573225]Worse than Bush? Worse than the president who got America in two wars and took a surplus and turned it into a huge deficit?[/QUOTE] Bush wasn't the best, but is certainly a more capable and qualified president.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23573228]Gee, the rampant abuse of workers' rights, the massive lack of safety, the huge mega-corporations that emerged as a result, the lack of minimum wages? Maybe the constant twenty hour workdays? None of that was bad at all, I suppose.[/QUOTE] During that age of revolution, if there had been regulation the depression would have happened earlier. The abuse taken then was necessary for the US economy.

[QUOTE=Steak;23573260]Bush wasn't the best, but is certainly a more capable and qualified president.[/QUOTE] Please tell me the logic behind your statement.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;23573236]Only an idiot would say that Obama was worse than Bush. But that's still not saying that Obama is good.[/QUOTE] I think he's doing the best he can in a ridiculously horrible situation. Could someone else do better? Maybe, probably someone out there could. But he's not doing too badly, given the situation he was put it.

Atleast he is 10 times better than that moron Bush. Haha he was so confusing all the time. Always fu. things up.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;23573264]During that age of revolution, if there had been regulation the depression would have happened earlier. The abuse taken then was necessary for the US economy.[/QUOTE] That's possible, even probable (Although, I don't think the thing about the depression is accurate), but that's what deregulation would eventually lead to again, albeit on a less massive level. Regulations are there for good reason.

[QUOTE=Michaeldf;23573297]Atleast he is 10 times better than that moron Bush. Haha he was so confusing all the time. Always fu. things up.[/QUOTE] Tell me exactly how he's better.

[QUOTE=Michaeldf;23573297]Atleast he is 10 times better than that moron Bush. Haha he was so confusing all the time. Always fu. things up.[/QUOTE] Especially the war on terror and the PATRIOT Act.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23572324]So where did you get your PhD in economics?[/QUOTE] Where did Obama get his?

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23573335]That's possible, even probable (Although, I don't think the thing about the depression is accurate), but that's what deregulation would eventually lead to again, albeit on a less massive level. Regulations are there for good reason.[/QUOTE] And tell me why, exactly, a 12 year old can't work if he wants to? [editline]03:13PM[/editline] [QUOTE=the_KMM;23573337]Tell me exactly how he's better.[/QUOTE] He didn't start the war on terror or support the PATRIOT Act.

[QUOTE=the_KMM;23573354]Where did Obama get his?[/QUOTE] He didn't, but he has this thing called a staff and this other wonderful thing called the treasury, who do have economists aplenty. [editline]06:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;23573365]And tell me why, exactly, a 12 year old can't work if he wants to?[/QUOTE] Because they don't know what's best for themselves and they need an actual education.

What is USA really doing down in Iraq and Afghanistan etc? Fighting terror? Nah... Grabbing Oil? Yeah!

[QUOTE=that1dude24;23573283]Please tell me the logic behind your statement.[/QUOTE] Seeing as he earned a Bachelors degree at Yale and has an MBA at Harvard, i'd say he is a pretty intelligent guy. (Bush) Nonetheless, I'm not supporting either party. Bush had way too much pressure put on him during his second term. I mean, during the oil spill, we were offered help from 3 (i think) countries, and Obama denied their help. In the end, we ended up using what the other countries were offering us to get oil out of the gulf.

-Oil Wells is the shit!-

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23573398]Because they don't know what's best for themselves and they need an actual education.[/QUOTE] According to whom? [editline]3:18PM[/editline] I guess it's better for a poor family to mooch off other people's money that they don't deserve rather than have their kids and whole family able to work and contribute to the economy.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;23573365] support the PATRIOT Act.[/QUOTE] Actually, he did vote to reauthorize it in 2006.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23573450]Actually, he did vote to reauthorize it in 2006.[/QUOTE] I retract my statement.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;23573416]According to whom?[/QUOTE] Society. also, I doubt a twelve year old would actually want to work, when they did, they [i]had[/i] to to support the family because the adults didn't have proper wages because of the massively unregulated state of business.

[QUOTE=Steak;23573410]Seeing as he earned a Bachelors degree at Yale and has an MBA at Harvard, i'd say he is a pretty intelligent guy. (Bush) Nonetheless, I'm not supporting either party. Bush had way too much pressure put on him during his second term. I mean, during the oil spill, we were offered help from 3 (i think) countries, and Obama denied their help. In the end, we ended up using what the other countries were offering us to get oil out of the gulf.[/QUOTE] And that's when he gets shit for 'Relying on foreign aid' Trust me, whatever he does, it's gonna be seen as wrong by the GOP.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23573484]Society. also, I doubt a twelve year old would actually want to work, when they did, they [i]had[/i] to to support the family because the adults didn't have proper wages because of the massively unregulated state of business.[/QUOTE] As a believer in freedom, I think that a 12 year old should be able to work if he wanted to. After all, how is he supposed to buy himself the next Halo?

[QUOTE=JoeyZ;23573498]And that's when he gets shit for 'Relying on foreign aid' Trust me, whatever he does, it's gonna be seen as wrong by the GOP.[/QUOTE] True, but still. More than half of the United States disapproves with what Obama is doing. [editline]06:21PM[/editline] [QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;23573513]As a believer in freedom, I think that a 12 year old should be able to work if he wanted to. After all, how is he supposed to buy himself the next Halo?[/QUOTE] You're an idiot, I barely know any little kids who play Halo nowadays. Only Halo 3.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;23573513]As a believer in freedom, I think that a 12 year old should be able to work if he wanted to. After all, how is he supposed to buy himself the next Halo?[/QUOTE] By being normal and asking his parents, who have decent wages due to regulations, and an opportunity to get these decent wages due to public schooling and not having worked full time as children just to get by. [editline]06:21PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Steak;23573543]True, but still. More than half of the United States disapproves with what Obama is doing. [/QUOTE] To be fair, more than half of the country is mid to far right.

[QUOTE=Steak;23573543]True, but still. More than half of the United States disapproves with what Obama is doing. [/QUOTE] More than 2/3 disagreed with Bush, what's your point?

[QUOTE=Steak;23573543] You're an idiot, I barely know any little kids who play Halo nowadays. Only Halo 3.[/QUOTE] He's talking about the series in general