[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23559678]No.
Philosophy are things that can't be proven, but can be thought of in logical ways. Science is about things that can be experimentally proven or disproven, using falsifiable hypothesis and rigorous methodology.[/QUOTE]
[quote][B]Philosophy[/B] is the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language[/quote]
Early science was philosophy, since they had no tools to measure with, they logically concluded things.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;23559659]That's just deductions though, you haven't seen an atom, I'm not saying atoms don't exist.
Old chemistry shows how people thought they knew what was happening, but really didn't.
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I meant the source, derp derp[/QUOTE]
Ok then, because you apparently have a different meaning of "seen", tell me what building microstructures out of individual atoms and being able to look at them through microscopes means?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;23559659]That's just deductions though, you haven't seen an atom, I'm not saying atoms don't exist.
Old chemistry shows how people thought they knew what was happening, but really didn't.
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I meant the source, derp derp[/QUOTE]
Sorry I didn't see the context. Still, you're argument was mainly about how atoms are truly the basis of life right? Well there you go.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;23559670]The chemical bonds present already gives proof that atoms exist.[/QUOTE]
That's a deduction though.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;23559659]That's just deductions though, you haven't seen an atom, I'm not saying atoms don't exist.
Old chemistry shows how people thought they knew what was happening, but really didn't.
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I meant the source, derp derp[/QUOTE]
Except old chemistry, when it was a science, is actually mostly correct.
1865 drawings of benzene looked like this:
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Benz1.png/200px-Benz1.png[/img]
Today's look like this:
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Benz1.png/200px-Benz1.png[/img]
rotaivA I'm a christian but I am not one of those ultra nutty superstitious types like you.
please, for your own sake, drop this illuminati nonsense and your superstitious belief that satan has power and get on with your life
and re-educate yourself on exactly what science is because you don't seem to know what it is very well
[QUOTE=rotaivA;23559680]In a way the Bible exaggerated a lot of things (In my opinion.), making a lot of people think of it to be a religion that makes no sense.
The Illuminati infiltrated Christianity a long time ago and filled it with lies and un-understandable verses and segments.
For example, the Cross isn't a symbol of holiness or pureness- it's a symbol of death and cruelty, hatred and violence that Christ was hung on.
Would you make a bloody hammer that was used to kill your mother with a plastic bit of fake brain on it into a symbol of your mother's life and work, and use it to remember her? No, you wouldn't, this is the same deal with the cross. Christians were corrupted into thinking it was something good and started wearing it, another way to mock God placed in Christianity by the Illuminati.
Adam & Eve. A lot of Christians believe that they were only 2 humans, and somehow managed to create all of humanity.
Impossible.
Adam = all men.
Eve = all women.
Eve tasting the forbidden fruit after being tempted by a snake (Satan) = womankind discovering knowledge through sinful means.
Adam & Eve naming all animals and plants in one day = All of humankind naming them over time.
Kane & Abel = The discovery of murder through representation of two men committing it, being the children of no one specific, since Adam & Eve represent all of humankind. K&A only represent the violent, sinful side in this part.
I could go on and on and on, but none of you will listen, and just misquote or misunderstand me and proceed make fun of me to increase your own rep, which is human nature feeding yourselves even more lies to keep yourself happy.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit you don't even understand the bible or it's morals.
Not only are you a dumb conspirist, but you're a bad Christian/Catholic too.
In conclusion you know absolutely nothing. Are you just an angst teen trying to interpret everything in a different way?
That's not that old, you could say physics from the 30s and 40s is old, but it's really not that old.
I'm talking about alchemy days.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;23559700]That's a deduction though.[/QUOTE]
Except it's proven through application of these processes. We know the theory to be correct by making predictions about what will happen during chemical synthesis, and then applying them.
How do you think teflon works? They made predictions on what attributes the polymers they were working on would have, and how to attach something so slippery to a surface. The application of it proves the theory behind it.
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[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;23559732]That's not that old, you could say physics from the 30s and 40s is old, but it's really not that old.
I'm talking about alchemy days.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't science, although much of what they found out was valid. (Alchemy, not 30s physics.)
[QUOTE=rotaivA;23559680]completely insane shit[/QUOTE]
Wait, so you're saying that the illuminati... infiltrated Christianity as a whole, and put brainwashing messages in there?
:roflolmao:
EDIT: Also alchemy is protoscience, not philosophy or whatever you're saying it is.
[b]Damnit, I thought we weren't going to turn this into a hugeass religious debate.[/b]
[QUOTE=rotaivA;23559747][b]Damnit, I thought we weren't going to turn this into a hugeass religious debate.[/b][/QUOTE]
You started it
[QUOTE=rotaivA;23559747][b]Damnit, I thought we weren't going to turn this into a hugeass religious debate.[/b][/QUOTE]
"I'm wrong stop proving me wrong I don't like it"
[QUOTE=rotaivA;23559747][b]Damnit, I thought we weren't going to turn this into a hugeass religious debate.[/b][/QUOTE]
what do you expect
you're making a mockery of religion so we're calling you out on it
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;23559690]Early science was philosophy, since they had no tools to measure with, they logically concluded things.[/QUOTE]
Yes, science is the applied process of philosophy.
That's why you get a PhD as a research degree.
[QUOTE=rotaivA;23559747][b]Damnit, I thought we weren't going to turn this into a hugeass religious debate.[/b][/QUOTE]
So is this your social experiment then?
[QUOTE=rotaivA;23559747][B]Damnit, I thought we weren't going to turn this into a hugeass religious debate.[/B][/QUOTE]
"GUYS CHRISTIANITY IS MADE BY THE ILLUMINATI AND IS FULL OF BRAINWASHING AND EVIL MESSAGES"
"What the fuck guys what does this have to do with religion?
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23559734]
That wasn't science, although much of what they found out was valid.[/QUOTE]
Their ideas were harebrained, as much as some of it turned out to be correct, it's still bad science.
[QUOTE=rotaivA;23559747][B]Damnit, I thought we weren't going to turn this into a hugeass religious debate.[/B][/QUOTE]
it IS a religious debate
your whole idea of this "global conspiracy" rests on the idea that rich people believe in fairy tales
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23559740]Wait, so you're saying that the illuminati... infiltrated Christianity as a whole, and put brainwashing messages in there?
:roflolmao:
EDIT: Also alchemy is protoscience, not philosophy or whatever you're saying it is.[/QUOTE]
Alchemy was really weird, they were trying to do science, but without the empiricism and philosophical underpinnings. As well as without proper experiments. It worked sometimes, but not reliably at all.
In all seriousness, what does this have to do with the president?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;23559773]Their ideas were harebrained, as much as some of it turned out to be correct, it's still bad science.[/QUOTE]
I never said it wasn't, I actually went further and said it wasn't science. It was completely ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23559740]
EDIT: Also alchemy is protoscience, not philosophy or whatever you're saying it is.[/QUOTE]
Philosphy was similar to science back in the classical era, since they didn't have the scientific method or proper tools, it's like a very basic type of science.
The idea is the same, find truths using implied data.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;23559786]In all seriousness, what does this have to do with the president?[/QUOTE]
obama is satan
but that's really a metaphor for obama having a big dick
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;23559786]In all seriousness, what does this have to do with the president?[/QUOTE]
omg obama is an illuminati pawn and we're all gonna be sent to FEMA death camps and pushed through a portal to hell where we have to watch jersey shore all day!
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23559782]Alchemy was really weird, they were trying to do science, but without the empiricism and philosophical underpinnings. As well as without proper experiments. It worked sometimes, but not reliably at all.[/QUOTE]
Thus why it's protoscience, it was before the scientific method and they didn't really know what they were doing, but they were attempting to deduce the nature of the world anyways.
Also sloppy, respond to this: "Ok then, because you apparently have a different meaning of "seen", tell me what building microstructures out of individual atoms and being able to look at them through microscopes means?"
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;23559657]sorry molecule=/= atom.
But a molecule is fine too.[/QUOTE]
I know that. It's a reasonable assumption to believe that atoms [B]exist[/B] however, given that the chemical bonds and outlines present matched perfectly with our idea of how chemicals bond atoms in a molecule.
I probably should have been more specific though.
Would you look at the time.
4:18 AM
I'll be back tomorrow morning to see if this hasn't been shitstormed even more or locked, goodnight.
[QUOTE=rotaivA;23559805]Would you look at the time.
4:18 AM
I'll be back tomorrow morning to see if this hasn't been shitstormed even more or locked, goodnight.[/QUOTE]
Don't let every single world leader in their Illuminati conspiracy castrate you in your sleep, now.
[QUOTE=rotaivA;23559805]goodnight.[/QUOTE]
don't let the illuminati bite
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