Or they're just a gemstone that is very resistant to getting scratched up so its popular for jewellery that's worn on a daily basis like wedding rings.
I don't get spending tons of money on jewellery, but I don't get why other people liking diamonds is so offensive.
[QUOTE=download;52464592]People should pause the Pt 2 video and take a look at the letter Brilliant Earth sent him. It's a laugh.[/QUOTE]
It looks like they just ran a Google search of his name and decided to through those sites in without bothering to check if they are the same person. Kinda like they're accusing him of.
[QUOTE=Melnek;52464622]the "cultural significance" that propelled diamonds into the multi-billion dollar industry that it is today, are you honestly rejecting the idea of them being ingrained into western (also eastern, in places) culture?
and nobody cares if you, personally, wouldn't waste money on them for a wedding or even as a piece of jewelry. for a lot of people, and i'd even go as far as to say the majority, diamonds remain a highly prestigious item that represents a lot of very significant things for a lot of people.
this hyper-utilitarian oversimplification of all things rooted primarily in tradition or social constructs is the trademark of the "millennial". tbh fuck that word, it's not even clearly representing a demographic, so lets just say modern young adults.[/QUOTE]
people dying in wars is not a big deal.
I wish you could fathom just how fucking disgusting your post is.
[QUOTE=Melnek;52464622]the "cultural significance" that propelled diamonds into the multi-billion dollar industry that it is today, are you honestly rejecting the idea of them being ingrained into western (also eastern, in places) culture?
and nobody cares if you, personally, wouldn't waste money on them for a wedding or even as a piece of jewelry. for a lot of people, and i'd even go as far as to say the majority, diamonds remain a highly prestigious item that represents a lot of very significant things for a lot of people.
this hyper-utilitarian oversimplification of all things rooted primarily in tradition or social constructs is the trademark of the "millennial". tbh fuck that word, it's not even clearly representing a demographic, so lets just say modern young adults.[/QUOTE]
local man forgets how burden of proof works, more at 11
[QUOTE=Melnek;52464622]the "cultural significance" that propelled diamonds into the multi-billion dollar industry that it is today, are you honestly rejecting the idea of them being ingrained into western (also eastern, in places) culture?
and nobody cares if you, personally, wouldn't waste money on them for a wedding or even as a piece of jewelry. for a lot of people, and i'd even go as far as to say the majority, diamonds remain a highly prestigious item that represents a lot of very significant things for a lot of people.
this hyper-utilitarian oversimplification of all things rooted primarily in tradition or social constructs is the trademark of the "millennial". tbh fuck that word, it's not even clearly representing a demographic, so lets just say modern young adults.[/QUOTE]
What's your opinion on the rich cultural traditions of lovin' it, or saving 15% or more on your car insurance?
[QUOTE=Melnek;52464622]the "cultural significance" that propelled diamonds into the multi-billion dollar industry that it is today, are you honestly rejecting the idea of them being ingrained into western (also eastern, in places) culture?
and nobody cares if you, personally, wouldn't waste money on them for a wedding or even as a piece of jewelry. for a lot of people, and i'd even go as far as to say the majority, diamonds remain a highly prestigious item that represents a lot of very significant things for a lot of people.
this hyper-utilitarian oversimplification of all things rooted primarily in tradition or social constructs is the trademark of the "millennial". tbh fuck that word, it's not even clearly representing a demographic, so lets just say modern young adults.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, the actual price of diamonds is artificial, they aren't actually that rare and only have a high price because theyre kept high artificially.
I like diamonds. Sure their price is inflated so much that buying them automatically makes you an idiot, but they're really pretty and they're the hardest material known to man, so they're rad as fuck. I wish the artificial diamond price inflation would stop
Personally I like moissanite. Way cheaper than diamonds, about as durable and they definitely pass as diamonds. Everyone thinks I'm loaded since my fiance has a 3 carat moissanite ring that looks like a 3 carat diamond ring but it really cost $1400 for the engagement ring and matching wedding band. :v:
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;52465384]I like diamonds. Sure their price is inflated so much that buying them automatically makes you an idiot, but they're really pretty and they're the hardest material known to man, so they're rad as fuck. I wish the artificial diamond price inflation would stop[/QUOTE]
Actually Boron Nitride is the hardest known material to man.
[QUOTE=James xX;52467935]Actually Boron Nitride is the hardest known material to man.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/082/978/DiamondMetal.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Melnek;52464622]the "cultural significance" that propelled diamonds into the multi-billion dollar industry that it is today, are you honestly rejecting the idea of them being ingrained into western (also eastern, in places) culture?
and nobody cares if you, personally, wouldn't waste money on them for a wedding or even as a piece of jewelry. for a lot of people, and i'd even go as far as to say the majority, diamonds remain a highly prestigious item that represents a lot of very significant things for a lot of people.
this hyper-utilitarian oversimplification of all things rooted primarily in tradition or social constructs is the trademark of the "millennial". tbh fuck that word, it's not even clearly representing a demographic, so lets just say modern young adults.[/QUOTE]
I bet you work in a jewelry shop.
[QUOTE=Melnek;52464622]the "cultural significance" that propelled diamonds into the multi-billion dollar industry that it is today, are you honestly rejecting the idea of them being ingrained into western (also eastern, in places) culture?
and nobody cares if you, personally, wouldn't waste money on them for a wedding or even as a piece of jewelry. for a lot of people, and i'd even go as far as to say the majority, diamonds remain a highly prestigious item that represents a lot of very significant things for a lot of people.
this hyper-utilitarian oversimplification of all things rooted primarily in tradition or social constructs is the trademark of the "millennial". tbh fuck that word, it's not even clearly representing a demographic, so lets just say modern young adults.[/QUOTE]
The "tradition" is the same as Valentine's Day. A company created it.
Hallmark basically created Valentine's Day. De beers diamond company created the wedding ring tradition.
They're fake.
Why are you arguing "tradition" on the most artificial of "tradition"
[QUOTE=Melnek;52464622]the "cultural significance" that propelled diamonds into the multi-billion dollar industry that it is today, are you honestly rejecting the idea of them being ingrained into western (also eastern, in places) culture?
and nobody cares if you, personally, wouldn't waste money on them for a wedding or even as a piece of jewelry. for a lot of people, and i'd even go as far as to say the majority, diamonds remain a highly prestigious item that represents a lot of very significant things for a lot of people.
this hyper-utilitarian oversimplification of all things rooted primarily in tradition or social constructs is the trademark of the "millennial". tbh fuck that word, it's not even clearly representing a demographic, so lets just say modern young adults.[/QUOTE]
There literally isn't any cultural significance unless you count the generations of the child slaves that have their whole lives center upon getting some shiny rock so some monopoly can sell it at over-inflated prices.
I mean fucking really your argument doesn't make any real sense. Might as well try to argue the cultural significance of fridge magnets.
[QUOTE=Sky King;52469420]There literally isn't any cultural significance unless you count the generations of the child slaves that have their whole lives center upon getting some shiny rock so some monopoly can sell it at over-inflated prices.
I mean fucking really your argument doesn't make any real sense. Might as well try to argue the cultural significance of fridge magnets.[/QUOTE]
it doesn't matter if the tradition is "artificial" or not, what the fuck kind of argument is this? you and everyone else in the thread who parroted the fact so proudly are honestly missing one important fact; all culture is fucking artificial, lmao.
some aspects of culture are also created on top of the misery of slave workers in africa, some holidays and traditions are maintained on the backs of the indigenous people suffering from european barbarism in the conquest of the continent (thanksgiving). nobody gives a shit.
diamonds are also merely a product of tradition, and even if it was born out of a clever marketing campaign, it has nonetheless become a piece of culture and tradition over decades, to many people. what difference does it fucking make at the end of the day where the tradition or social habit came from, or how it was first manifested? it doesn't matter, it has become something different now. marketing agents are also a part of society and culture. marketing as a whole is a reflection of our society. trying to claim otherwise is arguing against reality itself.
[editline]15th July 2017[/editline]
i mean shit yours and everyone elses logic in this thread is so astoundingly stupid.
this logic, stretched to its extreme, also rejects the concept of money. because at the end of the day, it's just a scam invented by kings, and perfected by banks. lets all reject currency because it's not a [i]real[/i] tradition or social construct.
All traditions should be looked at critically, invented or not.
[QUOTE=Melnek;52470964]it doesn't matter if the tradition is "artificial" or not, what the fuck kind of argument is this? you and everyone else in the thread who parroted the fact so proudly are honestly missing one important fact; all culture is fucking artificial, lmao.
some aspects of culture are also created on top of the misery of slave workers in africa, some holidays and traditions are maintained on the backs of the indigenous people suffering from european barbarism in the conquest of the continent (thanksgiving). nobody gives a shit.
diamonds are also merely a product of tradition, and even if it was born out of a clever marketing campaign, it has nonetheless become a piece of culture and tradition over decades, to many people. what difference does it fucking make at the end of the day where the tradition or social habit came from, or how it was first manifested? it doesn't matter, it has become something different now. marketing agents are also a part of society and culture. marketing as a whole is a reflection of our society. trying to claim otherwise is arguing against reality itself.
[editline]15th July 2017[/editline]
i mean shit yours and everyone elses logic in this thread is so astoundingly stupid.
this logic, stretched to its extreme, also rejects the concept of money. because at the end of the day, it's just a scam invented by kings, and perfected by banks. lets all reject currency because it's not a [i]real[/i] tradition or social construct.[/QUOTE]
Your logic is pathetic here.
Tradition doesn't deserve to be just because it's tradition.
And no, I don't think this even really counts. It's a scheme to sell diamonds and you're touting it as a significant cultural addage. It's not. It's a ploy to sell fucking diamonds. Is marketting you cancer through ciggarettes an american tradition too? Do you value that so highly? After all, as you said marketing as a whole is a reflection of the society, and that was a big thing back in the day. You'll no doubt reply that that's entirely different and to use some critical thought to compare the two, but why not apply critical thought to the example of diamonds in the first place as an entirely artificial and ridiculous "tradition"
[QUOTE=Melnek;52470964]it doesn't matter if the tradition is "artificial" or not, what the fuck kind of argument is this? you and everyone else in the thread who parroted the fact so proudly are honestly missing one important fact; all culture is fucking artificial, lmao.
some aspects of culture are also created on top of the misery of slave workers in africa, some holidays and traditions are maintained on the backs of the indigenous people suffering from european barbarism in the conquest of the continent (thanksgiving). nobody gives a shit.
diamonds are also merely a product of tradition, and even if it was born out of a clever marketing campaign, it has nonetheless become a piece of culture and tradition over decades, to many people. what difference does it fucking make at the end of the day where the tradition or social habit came from, or how it was first manifested? it doesn't matter, it has become something different now. marketing agents are also a part of society and culture. marketing as a whole is a reflection of our society. trying to claim otherwise is arguing against reality itself.
[editline]15th July 2017[/editline]
i mean shit yours and everyone elses logic in this thread is so astoundingly stupid.
this logic, stretched to its extreme, also rejects the concept of money. because at the end of the day, it's just a scam invented by kings, and perfected by banks. lets all reject currency because it's not a [i]real[/i] tradition or social construct.[/QUOTE]
My parents are not even Jewish and I still got the skin of my dick cut off because it is """"""tradition""''''"" too. Some """"""""traditions"""""""""" are stupid and should no longer be practiced.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52464759]another problem diamonds have now is that its getting cheaper and easier to manufacture them artificially and its getting harder to tell the difference between the two as manufacturing methods improve[/QUOTE]
How long until 'false' diamonds are being sold as 'real guilt free diamonds'
next up they're going to call it 'white guilt free' or something
[editline]15th July 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Melnek;52470964]it doesn't matter if the tradition is "artificial" or not
[B]i mean shit yours and everyone elses logic in this thread is so astoundingly stupid. [/B]
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This first sentence and the bolded one conflicts with one another tbh
the fact that you can't see that the 'tradition' behind diamonds is a scam is in and of itself hilariously idiotic.
I honestly don't know how you can argue that "millennials" are awful because they won't abide a tradition propped up by a highly unethical market lmao.
Traditions change and evolve all the time, they are not absolute and are in no way inherently good. They come and go from generation to generation, and with the wider access to information of the last couple of generations we're going to see a lot of archaic ones just fucking vanish as we learn more about why they exist. The expectation of a diamond engagement ring is probably one of the first "victims".
I'd want a wedding ring made out of a meteor and bismuth.
Now that'd be a ring.
I love how Melnek's jacking himself off to the fact that millennials aren't the target even though the fact that they can't appeal to millennials is the thing that will kill it once baby boomers and maybe Gen Xers die off.
Traditions are only good ones if they're fun and/or harmless.
You know what's neither? Having to spend huge denars on a stone to prove your worth.
How do you even stop this tradition? You can't. The only thing that actually can be done is destroying the diamond cartels so that diamonds aren't this expensive anymore. Otherwise, have fun explaining to your significant other why you didn't buy them a fucking rock.
[QUOTE=Melnek;52470964]
diamonds are also merely a product of tradition, and even if it was born out of a clever marketing campaign, it has nonetheless become a piece of culture and tradition over decades, to many people. what difference does it fucking make at the end of the day where the tradition or social habit came from, or how it was first manifested? it doesn't matter, it has become something different now. marketing agents are also a part of society and culture. marketing as a whole is a reflection of our society. trying to claim otherwise is arguing against reality itself.[/QUOTE]
no one gives a fuck that your missus made you drop a month's paycheck for a stone
suck it up
legit if you'd rather spend thousands on a stone over your kids education, and then complain about them not getting into one, you're an asshole
[editline]15th July 2017[/editline]
Save that shit up if you have the money
don't squander it on a scam because 'TRADITION THO'
[QUOTE=J!NX;52471283]legit if you'd rather spend thousands on a stone over your kids education, and then complain about them not getting into one, you're an asshole[/QUOTE]
People don't usually have kids yet when they buy the stone, though
[QUOTE=Melnek;52470964]it doesn't matter if the tradition is "artificial" or not, what the fuck kind of argument is this? you and everyone else in the thread who parroted the fact so proudly are honestly missing one important fact; all culture is fucking artificial, lmao.
some aspects of culture are also created on top of the misery of slave workers in africa, some holidays and traditions are maintained on the backs of the indigenous people suffering from european barbarism in the conquest of the continent (thanksgiving). nobody gives a shit.
diamonds are also merely a product of tradition, and even if it was born out of a clever marketing campaign, it has nonetheless become a piece of culture and tradition over decades, to many people. what difference does it fucking make at the end of the day where the tradition or social habit came from, or how it was first manifested? it doesn't matter, it has become something different now. marketing agents are also a part of society and culture. marketing as a whole is a reflection of our society. trying to claim otherwise is arguing against reality itself.
[editline]15th July 2017[/editline]
i mean shit yours and everyone elses logic in this thread is so astoundingly stupid.
this logic, stretched to its extreme, also rejects the concept of money. because at the end of the day, it's just a scam invented by kings, and perfected by banks. lets all reject currency because it's not a [i]real[/i] tradition or social construct.[/QUOTE]
have you considered the thought that traditions can change, especially those ones which are difficult to maintain and are ruinous to the people doing them?
perhaps back in the 1970s when boomers were going into $40 an hour jobs straight out of high-school and were able to pay off their mortgage (and hire a mexican maid) and support a family of 4 on their salary alone your argument for buying diamond rings might be slightly more tenable
but these days they are simply out of the financial reach of the majority of the young population and many of them would prefer to spend it on other things
i have a girlfriend that i would rather prefer to take out to a nice restaurant frequently instead of buying a ring
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;52471291]People don't usually have kids yet when they buy the stone, though[/QUOTE]
Tons of them plan to eventually have kids however, even if they aren't actively planning it
if you know you're going to eventually try it, would that money not be better saved?
[QUOTE=J!NX;52471298]Tons of them plan to eventually have kids however, even if they aren't actively planning it
if you know you're going to eventually try it, would that money not be better saved?[/QUOTE]
Well, I sure as hell wish I lived in a world where all people plan 20 years ahead and don't buy into stupid marketing ploys to take their money. But I don't. I agree with you though.
is this some American "tradition" that you have to buy a very expensive ring, or else you're a loser who doesn't love or care for your wife?
over here it's more common with just a ordinary ring and no one's gonna tell you otherwise
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