• Whats with religious fighting?
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[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;23438201]that's fine miles[/QUOTE] Niles*. And he's obviously more like Eddie
Most atheists believe religion can be one of the possible destroyers of civilization.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23438220]Niles*.[/QUOTE] i stand corrected
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;23437688]Correction, angsty teens who don't want to go to church and want to rebel against their parents and peers like to argue, even though they aren't really atheist.[/QUOTE] Eh that's a huge generalization. Although angsty teen is typically accurate.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;23438048]Unfortunately, ignorance is ripe upon the religious. Not everyone will question their beliefs in the same manor you did, unfortunately. Argument is education, correct, but it's too forceful. People reading the arguments will pick a side, and many, if not the majority of the religious will go down with their sinking ship rather than admit they're wrong, even to themselves. I say, teach children science, teach children religious education (Not religious education that says god is real, but religious education that teaches children about various religions.) And let them choose. Over time, common sense will prevail.[/QUOTE] Those same people who will not listen to debates will generally not listen to evidence given that contradicts their opinion. I'm not arguing for them. [sp]Not to say that my arguments are very good, anyway. [/sp]:v: [QUOTE=DOG-GY;23438263]Eh that's a huge generalization. Although angsty teen is typically accurate.[/QUOTE] Isn't that a contradiction? It's a huge generalization, but it's generally true?
[QUOTE=that1dude24;23438274]Those same people who will not listen to debates will generally not listen to evidence given that contradicts their opinion. I'm not arguing for them. [/QUOTE] You have a good point, but for every one religious person you get to reconsider their faith through argument, you make even more cling to it tighter! If we teach children science and numerous religions (Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity, etc) then they're far more likely to choose science, as they're forced to come to a rational conclusion on which religion is right. Education while they're young.
Next time on silly threads: Why does everyone in facepunch hate furries?
I have no problem with people following a religion, or even the religion itself. What I dont like it is when they take its teachings out of context and use it as an excuse for violence.Christianity, Islam, Judaism are all noble beliefs, some people just use it as an excuse to perpetrate violence.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;23438135]Of course you're allowed to, but it's not going to do much, really, apart from making a bunch of theists hate athiests more. Sorry if you took that personally, i really didn't mean to annoy you. [I]Though i don't see how i've expressed an over inflated opinion of myself[/I].[/QUOTE] It's just the way you try to heighten yourself above the people you side with.
[QUOTE=hehe;23438395]I have no problem with people following a religion, or even the religion itself. What I dont like it is when they take its teachings out of context and use it as an excuse for violence.Christianity, Islam, Judaism are all noble beliefs, some people just use it as an excuse to perpetrate violence.[/QUOTE] a growing trend in Islam, unfortunately.
Because people dont respect each others beliefs or disbeliefs. Never.
I don't make e-drama about atheism, but sometimes I just can't understand them.. Why are they always trying to prove other people wrong? So what, people say "oh, your smart, I totally don't believe in god now" and live the rest of their short lives and die, and it doesn't effect anything. I don't care if someone feels proud or smart because they think they've figured out that there is no point to their life. I'll believe what I want to believe, and who cares if I'm right or wrong? And if you do care then you need to calm down and get over it.
[QUOTE=Vinze;23438417]It's just the way you try to heighten yourself above the people you side with.[/QUOTE] Because my views aren't well thought through? You have yet to provide a legitimate counter-point, so if you don't in your next reply to this i won't bother replying to that reply, as to avoid a senseless argument.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;23438480]Because my views aren't well thought through? You have yet to provide a legitimate counter-point, so if you don't in your next reply to this i won't bother replying to that reply, as to avoid a senseless argument.[/QUOTE] See? You're doing it again.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;23438424]a growing trend in Islam, unfortunately.[/QUOTE] Islam is probably the most obvious. Fundamentalism as whole is my only problem with religion
[QUOTE=hehe;23438557]Islam is probably the most obvious. Fundamentalism as whole is my only problem with religion[/QUOTE] fundamentalism is a deep threat to human progress.
The old sky cake dodge...
I don't really believe in God, but I seriously hate self proclaimed Athiests, because all they like to do is bitch about how everyone is wrong and complain about the use of God and Jesus. I don't like most Christians because they get offended so easily over any kind of insult towards it. And its the same with most other religions. I really don't care if you believe or not. I mean I wouldn't want to marry a girl who was hardcore Christian, but I still don't like going around shitting on everyones religion because I think I'm right.
[QUOTE=that1dude24;23438274]Isn't that a contradiction? It's a huge generalization, but it's generally true?[/QUOTE] It's not a contradiction, it's agreement on the accuracy of part of his statement and disagreement on the rest.
Is it just me or is facepunch starting to get mature compared to a few months ago? Everyone isn't as close minded as before, there is still a few though.
i don't mean to come off as a "butt-hurt atheist", because quite frankly i don't give a shit, but it seems to me there is as much, if not more, stereotyping towards atheists. "angsty atheists" "atheists with superiority complexes" "teenage atheists" "militant atheists lol!" it's rather boring what some of you can come up with and it doesn't bother most of us at all. atheism is not an organization. we have different beliefs regarding religion, politics, etc. christianity is organized, they have specific doctrine to follow. islam is organized, they have a specific doctrine to follow. etc, etc. atheists do not have a specific doctrine and to group all atheists together is ungrounded. there is at least some justification in criticizing religion (religions) as a whole. many atheists, including myself, will criticize any organization, ideology, or religion that seeks to oppress people for no reason what-so-ever. religion as a whole does this. gay marriage, free speech, censorship, covering of child molestations, oppression of women, stoning of women, honor killing, etc, etc. i guess what i'm trying to say is that: yes, many of us are atheists, but the problem for many of us is not with religion itself (or the idea of it), but what religion causes others to do. we would act the same if a certain political party attempted to spread the same message. we would act the same towards a philosophy that promoted the same ideas of some religions. [editline]05:51AM[/editline] [QUOTE=bigdan;23439408]Is it just me or is facepunch starting to get mature compared to a few months ago? Everyone isn't as close minded as before, there is still a few though.[/QUOTE] being close minded is thinking your religion is superior to the 10,000s of others that exist or have existed [editline]05:53AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Laserbeams;23438427]Because people dont respect each others beliefs or disbeliefs. Never.[/QUOTE] i have never called someone "dumb" or "stupid" for believing in a religion, i condemn their beliefs that hinder other people's chance at happiness. that is truly the highest form of disrespect. denying someone the right to life or happiness simply because of something that was written on a piece of paper 1,000s of years ago
[QUOTE=siberpredaht;23439474] many atheists, including myself, will criticize any organization, ideology, or religion that seeks to oppress people for no reason what-so-ever. religion as a whole does this. gay marriage, free speech, censorship, covering of child molestations, oppression of women, stoning of women, honor killing, etc, etc. [/QUOTE] You say that you speak for the many but this paragraph states that you speak for the few. You are more tolerant that some (read: most). You only criticize the "bad" religions, the ones that do not teach acceptance but rather ignorance. Or so you say. What is your stance on the more accepting religions, such as Buddhism or Judaism? I'd like to hear it. [editline]03:02AM[/editline] And when I say more accepting, I'm comparing them to the religion that you so obviously used for your oppression examples: Christianity.
[QUOTE=FunnyGamer;23440380]You say that you speak for the many but this paragraph states that you speak for the few. You are more tolerant that some (read: most). You only criticize the "bad" religions, the ones that do not teach acceptance but rather ignorance. Or so you say. What is your stance on the more accepting religions, such as Buddhism or Judaism? I'd like to hear it.[/QUOTE] i have a very, very deep respect for hinduism (and from my understanding, buddhism has spawned from it) hinduism is a very liberal religion and from my understanding are very open to scientific discoveries and to "different paths to god". some say it is the oldest religion and have civilizations that some say predate mesopotamia (not to mention the kama sutra is very handy) judaism, on the other hand, is based on the sacred texts in the bible which i deem most reprehensible. such as levitcus and deuteronomy. yes, i know they don't stone people to death, but they haven't shown any regard to the new age and still look down on same sex marriage.
How about Zoroastrianism, Sikhism, Jainism, Confucianism, or Shinto?
I don't think religion arguments would be as heated if certain groups like Christians and Athiests didn't go to such extremes. Unfortunately, some of the more hardcore Christians go about things saying, "If you don't believe what we believe, you're an evil bastard no matter what you do and you deserve to suffer in the afterlife." At that point, who wouldn't be upset about this religion debate, especially when the same people will go against the rights of gays, then turn around and order a male prostitute to "carry their luggage" for over a week? With this extreme thinking set in motion, these beliefs are battled harder than ever, no longer in the mindset of, "I believe in something else and that works for me" to "you're wrong and ignorant for thinking such things." I believe many athiests aren't doing any better, because many of them will lash out at a Christian the moment they cross paths even though not all Christians have this extreme mindset about them. In the end, it all boils down to the extremist portions of one group. Not all religious debates end in hostility, but both sides will always have the hardcores to escilate it, and those who don't like such a direction just sigh and watch from the bench until they tire each other out.
[QUOTE=bigdan;23439408]Is it just me or is facepunch starting to get mature compared to a few months ago? Everyone isn't as close minded as before, there is still a few though.[/QUOTE] After I saw how many heart ratings the [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=971446]old fellow's last words video[/url] got I was pretty surprised. [editline]01:08AM[/editline] [QUOTE=siberpredaht;23440506]judaism, on the other hand, is based on the sacred texts in the bible which i deem most reprehensible. such as levitcus and deuteronomy. yes, i know they don't stone people to death, but they haven't shown any regard to the new age and still look down on same sex marriage.[/QUOTE] Religion isn't like a fashion statement or a trend topic. It's consistent for the most part, and doesn't change outside of it's defined history. You say this as if sacred texts will be rewritten to make gays happy. [editline]01:09AM[/editline] [QUOTE=HoodedSniper;23437520]Why do people get so anal about religion?[/QUOTE] Because not enough people here have the decency to be a gentleman and frankly just shut up.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;23441225] Religion isn't like a fashion statement or a trend topic. It's consistent for the most part, and doesn't change outside of it's defined history. You say this as if sacred texts will be rewritten to make gays happy. [/QUOTE] well, more than often you see that people disregard large portions of their sacred text to fit neatly into their own world view there are large movements within most major religions fighting for same-sex marriage, explain that
[QUOTE=FunnyGamer;23440380]You say that you speak for the many but this paragraph states that you speak for the few. You are more tolerant that some (read: most). You only criticize the "bad" religions, the ones that do not teach acceptance but rather ignorance. Or so you say. What is your stance on the more accepting religions, such as Buddhism or Judaism? I'd like to hear it. [editline]03:02AM[/editline] And when I say more accepting, I'm comparing them to the religion that you so obviously used for your oppression examples: Christianity.[/QUOTE] Can't speak for him, but I criticize any ideology for which there is no supporting evidence.
Christians getting butthurt when they see atheists posting and vice versa.
[QUOTE=Virtanen;23446738]Christians getting butthurt when they see atheists posting and vice versa.[/QUOTE] Well, only too often do either side think that the other are always the most extreme stereotype. This ends up in a religious battle that gets nowhere because as I said before, people who argue about religion on the internet are ALWAYS retards.
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