Language Learner's Thread - Cunning Linguists Welcome.

[donny]

[QUOTE=Abrown516;48810422]电脑 refers to a computer as an object, like it's interchangeable with desktop or laptop. Although it's not wrong to say 电脑工程, my tutor said that 计算机工程 is better in context.[/QUOTE]

电脑 and 计算机 is the same but i'm just saying that 计算机 literally means 'calculator' outside of mainland china

[helifreak]

I love kanji compounds. 難民, because migrants are difficult people. 未亡人 because a widow is a not yet dead person. 隠居 because when you retire you are actually hiding from life. Then you get the silly stuff like 乳首, because nipples are just milk necks. And we can't forget 肩車 because piggy back rides are really just shoulder cars. Do all of these work in Mandarin too?

Names are also great because I don't know how to pronounce most of them so I just end up with "ah, 「beautiful village」 sings this song."

[donny]

老汉推车

[peep]

微信群？
atlantique3405

[reevezy67]

微信比QQ更好。 Get on it.

[donny]

install 微信 so I could send you dick pics

[Abrown516]

我有微信

[reevezy67]

/dev/sda1 is probably asleep or something add him and he'll add you to the group whenever he wakes up.

[peep]

added
I was asleep

[Amboss]

Is there no Spanish chat thread :(

[reevezy67]

You're in it.

[editline]7th October 2015[/editline]

Hola

[helifreak]

私はスペイン語を話せません。２日間Duolingoにスペイン語を勉強するけど、性的語は大変と思います。頑張りませんでした。
No hablo Española.
I spent two days on Spanish once a while ago so that's probably wrong. Don't think I'll ever be able to convince myself to try learning a language with gendered words again, it's too arbitrary for my brain to handle.

[editline]7th October 2015[/editline]

Don't see why you can't start a Spanish thread, we have one for Japanese, Norwegian, Finnish, Esperanto etc.

[donny]

tfw made a hellotalk account only to realize you have to pay to be trilingual

[snijboer]

So i've encountered a step further in the japanese hiragana. Something like this

きょ as Kyo.　きよ as Kiyo.

So this means when i write the second symbol smaller means kyo? than Kiyo? I automatically see it as kiyo, makes me a bit confused.

[RockSushi]

Decided to re-try Memrise but this time i've also decided to get to learn some Russian.

Also i've decided to take this a bit more carefully and borrowed a language learning book to have it as a more stable tool.

This will be fun.

[reevezy67]

Really though, the language threads should probably get merged.

[helifreak]

[QUOTE=snijboer;48849449]So i've encountered a step further in the japanese hiragana. Something like this

きょ as Kyo.　きよ as Kiyo.

So this means when i write the second symbol smaller means kyo? than Kiyo? I automatically see it as kiyo, makes me a bit confused.[/QUOTE]

Yes. Makes reading hand written stuff a pain early on but you will get used to it. Same thing applies to all the little y consonant characters ゃゅょ. I wrote them all out and then remembered Tae Kim's guide has a table so I'll just give that link instead. Basically just replace the vowel sound with the small y consonant sound.
[url]http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete/more_sounds[/url]
What isn't included in the table is something that is rarely (I think never, not completely sure) used in native Japanese words are the v consonants, the missing w vowels and ti and di. ゔぁ,
ゔぃ,ゔ,ゔぇ,ゔぉ are va, vi, vu, ve, vo. うぃ and うぇ for wi and we, they do have actual characters (ゐ,ゑ) but I've only ever seen them in people's twitter names (and probably historical texts, hiragana won't be an issue if you can read that though). And then you have てぃ and でぃ for ti and di, entered as t'i and d'i for Google IME, no idea how in Microsoft IME. These are almost always written in katakana(ヴァ、ヴィ、ヴ、ヴェ、ヴォ、ウィ、ウェ、ティ、ディ) in loanwords though. ウィキペディア Wikipedia uses wi and di (ウィ, ディ).

You are in for some fun (pain) with katakana. I found out about realkana after I finished hiragana and it let me learn katakana in a week compared to the 3 weeks it took for hiragana. [url]http://realkana.com/[/url]

I highly recommend the rest of Tae Kim's guide when you get on to grammar.

[peep]

[QUOTE='Rain [Amber];48847526']Is there no Spanish chat thread :([/QUOTE]

qué onda?

[fartparty]

the bigger ones like dutch, german, swedish, etc. should stay, because they've already got a following
but my doomed esperanto thread is long dead, this is honestly a much better place for it anyway

if anything, chinese should move to its own thread :v:

[editline]7th October 2015[/editline]

oh, kaj mi fina rebonigis la ŝ butono en mia esperanto plugin, nun mi povas uzi la tutan aferon

[editline]7th October 2015[/editline]

y no hablo español, ¡pero yo aprendiendo!

[Amboss]

[QUOTE=inebriaticxp;48855088]

[editline]7th October 2015[/editline]

oh, kaj mi fina rebonigis la ŝ butono en mia esperanto plugin, nun mi povas uzi la tutan aferon

[editline]7th October 2015[/editline]

y no hablo español, ¡pero yo aprendiendo![/QUOTE]

También estoy aprendiendo

[peep]

[QUOTE=inebriaticxp;48855088]the bigger ones like dutch, german, swedish, etc. should stay, because they've already got a following
but my doomed esperanto thread is long dead, this is honestly a much better place for it anyway

if anything, chinese should move to its own thread :v:

[editline]7th October 2015[/editline]

oh, kaj mi fina rebonigis la ŝ butono en mia esperanto plugin, nun mi povas uzi la tutan aferon

[editline]7th October 2015[/editline]

y no hablo español, ¡pero yo aprendiendo![/QUOTE]

debes usar "estar" con "aprendiendo" o otros verbos gerundios
por ejemplo "estoy aprendiendo español"

[big woop]

I had massive computer troubles yesterday and couldn't do my memrise routine. Now someone's taken my 1st place on points and I have no chance to keep up. My points.... :cry: :cry: :cry:

[helifreak]

[t]http://i.imgur.com/3vlWFyL.png[/t]
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Hit the 1000 milestone for kanji meanings today. Another 1000 and I can put learning new kanji on the backburner and go hard into filling all these massive holes in everything else. I know probably another 100 that aren't in my flashcards yet though, all the grade 1 kanji are actually known.

[peep]

i made us a slack channel on the fp community slack.
[url]http://slack.facepunch.com[/url] #languagelearning is the channel

[Amboss]

Is simplified or traditional Chinese used more in Australia? Mandarin is the second most common language here but I dont wanna waste my time on characters that arent used

[donny]

[QUOTE='Rain [Amber];48991082']Is simplified or traditional Chinese used more in Australia? Mandarin is the second most common language here but I dont wanna waste my time on characters that arent used[/QUOTE]

sad to say but probably simplified

[editline]27th October 2015[/editline]

traditional is backward compatible though so you could learn that if you want to give yourself a challenge

[blerb]

This has probably been discussed in the thread or previous iterations, but how do you guys find the motivation to study a language that A) isn't prominently used in your area and B) you hardly have time for? I've had an interest in Korean for roughly a year now, studying on and off, but for many reasons I stopped. I'll be starting school again soon, so I'll have even less time.

I'd like to slowly get back into it, but before I do, I wanna know how best to fit it in, less stressful study methods, and just general advice.

[Cypher_09]

Kanji lectures begin next week, wish me luck hahah we're all terrified

also I aced my Hiragana and Katakana exams; Loving every minute of it. ^^

[helifreak]

[QUOTE=blerb;48999038]This has probably been discussed in the thread or previous iterations, but how do you guys find the motivation to study a language that A) isn't prominently used in your area and B) you hardly have time for? I've had an interest in Korean for roughly a year now, studying on and off, but for many reasons I stopped. I'll be starting school again soon, so I'll have even less time.

I'd like to slowly get back into it, but before I do, I wanna know how best to fit it in, less stressful study methods, and just general advice.[/QUOTE]

All languages fall into category for A for me. I am just stubborn. Anki is good because you can do a little bit at a time, it should work especially well if you still need to learn / refresh Hangul. Since I am focusing mainly on kanji at this point, most of my vocabulary input it coming from Twitter, so I just end up learning what is actually being used commonly first.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49001803]Kanji lectures begin next week, wish me luck hahah we're all terrified

also I aced my Hiragana and Katakana exams; Loving every minute of it. ^^[/QUOTE]

Kanji will be [I]very fun[/I] with the fucked Japanese / Japanese class kanji learning order. 食 was like the 1000th kanji I learnt because the ordering I'm using is based on radicals rather than usefulness, it means food so you are likely to get that in lesson 1 or something.

Here is butt: お尻.

頑張ってください！

[DaCommie1]

[QUOTE=helifreak;48944407][t]http://i.imgur.com/3vlWFyL.png[/t]
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Hit the 1000 milestone for kanji meanings today. Another 1000 and I can put learning new kanji on the backburner and go hard into filling all these massive holes in everything else. I know probably another 100 that aren't in my flashcards yet though, all the grade 1 kanji are actually known.[/QUOTE]

Seeing lists like that are always just a little intimidating.

I wish I had the time/money to study Japanese in a more formal setting, but because of work the only time I have is basically half an hour a day on the commute to school, and sometimes I open Genki 1 on breaks between classes if I feel like it. My flashcards have been helping me with vocab, and learning kanji that way, but I've done fuck all for conjugation and/or grammar. I think I should start trying to read something like NHK Easy News soon and try doing it without the help of rikaichan. That way I can actually try and use some of what I'm "learning" so that maybe I'll remember it better.