Language Learner's Thread - Cunning Linguists Welcome.

[helifreak]

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49006348]Seeing lists like that are always just a little intimidating.

I wish I had the time/money to study Japanese in a more formal setting, but because of work the only time I have is basically half an hour a day on the commute to school, and sometimes I open Genki 1 on breaks between classes if I feel like it. My flashcards have been helping me with vocab, and learning kanji that way, but I've done fuck all for conjugation and/or grammar. I think I should start trying to read something like NHK Easy News soon and try doing it without the help of rikaichan. That way I can actually try and use some of what I'm "learning" so that maybe I'll remember it better.[/QUOTE]

If it makes you feel better I keep forgetting to use て form （私に言うください, herp derp) and my grammar sucks.

I keep trying to read visual novels, goes about as well as you would expect.

[partfarty]

I'll keep all my language learning efforts to Latin and European languages, thank you

Asian languages are impossible

[hakkoru]

they're only impossible if you think they're impossible :)

[helifreak]

[QUOTE=partfarty;49008717]I'll keep all my language learning efforts to Latin and European languages, thank you

Asian languages are impossible[/QUOTE]

What about it is impossible? Hangul is the easiest writing system in the world, AFAIK Mandarin Chinese has the simplest grammar, Japanese has a ridiculous amount of media produced and nearly every speaker is native so there are 0 issues with input.

Might take longer than a language that is similar to your native language but it's nowhere near impossible. Hell, with loanwords you can learn like 2000 Japanese words in the first week no problem.

[thefreemann]

[QUOTE=helifreak;49011916]What about it is impossible? Hangul is the easiest writing system in the world, AFAIK Mandarin Chinese has the simplest grammar, Japanese has a ridiculous amount of media produced and nearly every speaker is native so there are 0 issues with input.

Might take longer than a language that is similar to your native language but it's nowhere near impossible. Hell, with loanwords you can learn like 2000 Japanese words in the first week no problem.[/QUOTE]
it's just that people find the characters intimidating since they don't resemble "letters"

[reevezy67]

Let's not pretend learning characters, pinyin and tones isn't a huge ordeal.

But it's not that bad, the more you do it the easier it gets to learn new ones.

[miles]

I've signed up for A1.1 German course at Goethe Institut Istanbul (the last time I studied german I was A2 but apparently I forgot most of the stuff that I learned :v:) . I've been also studying a bit of Swedish in the meantime on Duolingo however, I've got interested in Esperanto.

Does anyone here bother with Esperanto?

[partfarty]

I have, I did a handful of lessons

It's fun but I fell off the wagon
I'll definitely get back to it eventually though, Esperanto fluency is def one of my goals

[editline]31st October 2015[/editline]

Und ich lerne auch deutsch, bruder
Kannst du bitte, die unterschied erklaren, zwischen A1, A2 und so?

[miles]

[QUOTE=partfarty;49021995]I have, I did a handful of lessons

It's fun but I fell off the wagon
I'll definitely get back to it eventually though, Esperanto fluency is def one of my goals

[editline]31st October 2015[/editline]

Und ich lerne auch deutsch, bruder
Kannst du bitte, die unterschied erklaren, zwischen A1, A2 und so?[/QUOTE]

If we take the Cambridge Levels as an example, A1 in German is basically Starter/Beginner level where you start off with the basics (how to greet someone etc) and A2's supposed to be Beginner/Elementary. I'm not really a trustworthy source when it comes to German so feel free to take what I said with a grain of salt.

[Cutthecrap]

Everyone who's learning Spanish here tells me its hard as fuck

From the students at my uni who came from California to my German teacher who says she has a hard time with conditionals.

Is it THAT hard?

[hakkoru]

Wtf conditional and future was like the easiest tense

[partfarty]

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;49022464]Everyone who's learning Spanish here tells me its hard as fuck

From the students at my uni who came from California to my German teacher who says she has a hard time with conditionals.

Is it THAT hard?[/QUOTE]

california here, i don't think so
i don't speak it because i don't put any effort into it, but i can easily understand bits and snippets of conversation

i think the most difficult part of spanish is that they talk so fucking fast, especially the paisas around here

[miles]

[QUOTE=partfarty;49022943]california here, i don't think so
i don't speak it because i don't put any effort into it, but i can easily understand bits and snippets of conversation

i think the most difficult part of spanish is that they talk so fucking fast, especially the paisas around here[/QUOTE]

how many languages do you speak jesus :v:

[partfarty]

Haha really only 1.5, English and a bit of German

But I'm also doing danish, ukranian, esperanto, spanish, and Italian on duolingo

[DaCommie1]

Today I saw a sign on a Japanese restaurant and was genuinely happy that I not only understood what it said, but how to say it. I then learned when I tried to actually say it out loud that 日本料理(にほんりょうり） is actually really fucking annoyingly hard to pronounce, mostly because of the りょ in 料理.

[helifreak]

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49025703]Today I saw a sign on a Japanese restaurant and was genuinely happy that I not only understood what it said, but how to say it. I then learned when I tried to actually say it out loud that 日本料理(にほんりょうり） is actually really fucking annoyingly hard to pronounce, mostly because of the りょ in 料理.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, those r sounds will destroy you if you don't come from a language that has them like Spanish. I had to say 失礼します(しつれいします） over and over for like half an hour to manage to get it to come out.

Speaking of 料理, I was watching some 料理の鉄人 the other day and I really missed that guy that tells the judges what is going on every so often from when I watched it dubbed on SBS as a kid, best part of the show.

Editerino: Anyone know any more English people who do things related to language learning and / or Japan/ese, already found [URL="http://www.iwillteachyoualanguage.com"]Olly[/URL] and [URL="https://www.youtube.com/user/cmbroad44"]Chris[/URL]. I think I have all the sources I need to keep learning but I just want more amazing English accents in my life and this lets me hit two stones with one bird.

[Cutthecrap]

[QUOTE=partfarty;49021995]I have, I did a handful of lessons

It's fun but I fell off the wagon
I'll definitely get back to it eventually though, Esperanto fluency is def one of my goals

[editline]31st October 2015[/editline]

Und ich lerne auch deutsch, bruder
Kannst du bitte, die unterschied erklaren, zwischen A1, A2 und so?[/QUOTE]

Einfach:
A1 macht dir wissen 10% von Deutsch
A2, 30%. Es ist als A1, aber, mit mehr Worter und ein bisschen schwerer Grammatik.

B1, jetzt, das ist sehr Scwherer. Von A1 bis A2 gibt es kein problem wenn du alle HAG und Übungen machen. Aber, von A2 bis B1 man kann viele Probleme haben, weil es viele neue Grammatik gibt.

Ich hoffe du hast mich verstanden.

EDIT: Verdammen. Ich denke erste in Spanisch, danach in Englisch, und dann am ende in Deutsch. Also, zwischen das, mein Grammatik....ist kaputt.

[partfarty]

Ja ich finde Grammatik auch sehr schwer

[DaCommie1]

[QUOTE=helifreak;49025876]Yeah, those r sounds will destroy you if you don't come from a language that has them like Spanish. I had to say 失礼します(しつれいします） over and over for like half an hour to manage to get it to come out.

Speaking of 料理, I was watching some 料理の鉄人 the other day and I really missed that guy that tells the judges what is going on every so often from when I watched it dubbed on SBS as a kid, best part of the show.

Editerino: Anyone know any more English people who do things related to language learning and / or Japan/ese, already found [URL="http://www.iwillteachyoualanguage.com"]Olly[/URL] and [URL="https://www.youtube.com/user/cmbroad44"]Chris[/URL]. I think I have all the sources I need to keep learning but I just want more amazing English accents in my life and this lets me hit two stones with one bird.[/QUOTE]

失礼します was easy for me to figure out, though it's mostly because you hear it a fair bit in anime, and I tend to be good at replicating what I hear.

[reevezy67]

FP有很多人会说一点日语。

我的语法可能不对。

[miles]

[QUOTE=partfarty;49029029]Ja ich finde Grammatik auch sehr schwer[/QUOTE]

Jap, ich hasse Grammatik.

[Thelurker1234]

[IMG]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/nonciclopedia/images/e/ed/Cancello_con_scritta_Grammatik_Macht_Frei.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/400?cb=20150420132133&format=webp[/IMG]
Zurück an deine Grammatikbücher!

edit: I misplaced the ü in zurück. the irony.

[3mpty]

[QUOTE=helifreak;48944407][t]http://i.imgur.com/3vlWFyL.png[/t]
[URL="http://i.imgur.com/yxxGISv.png"]List[/URL]
Hit the 1000 milestone for kanji meanings today. Another 1000 and I can put learning new kanji on the backburner and go hard into filling all these massive holes in everything else. I know probably another 100 that aren't in my flashcards yet though, all the grade 1 kanji are actually known.[/QUOTE]

That's fucking awesome
[quote]652 total unique kanji.
Old jouyou: 624 of 1940 (32.2%).
New jouyou: 18 of 196 (9.2%).
Jinmeiyou (regular): 6 of 641 (0.9%).
Jinmeiyou (variant): 0 of 145 (0.0%).[/quote]

That said I've probably lost 200 of them, I had to quit doing reviews over the last month because it's my final year of uni so shit is *real*

I'm actually really excited to get back into the groove after exams, I was doing really well mid-year but I just can't justify wasting so much time practicing jap when I have assignments due.

[editline]3rd November 2015[/editline]

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;49025703]Today I saw a sign on a Japanese restaurant and was genuinely happy that I not only understood what it said, but how to say it. I then learned when I tried to actually say it out loud that 日本料理(にほんりょうり） is actually really fucking annoyingly hard to pronounce, mostly because of the りょ in 料理.[/QUOTE]

I was walking through chinatown the other day and it's like I'm in some alternative universe.

I see shitloads of signs and I can get the gist of them, but I can never get the specific meaning down because I only know the japanese version of the kanji.
It's just so weird that there's two languages with a similar character set, but they're completely different.

I could read the menu of a ramen place my friend took me to, which was awesome

[Cinnamonbun]

So, I was learning Russian in school for about a year until the class was cut from the curriculum, I was wondering what would be good place to resume my learning, as it has been about 2 years, I remember the alphabet and most pronunciations.

Should I just go on a site like Duo Lingo and start again or?

[partfarty]

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;49036926]
Zurück an deine Grammatikbücher!
[/QUOTE]

ich hab keine, schick mir eins

[Thelurker1234]

[QUOTE=partfarty;49037708]ich hab keine, schick mir eins[/QUOTE]

[url]http://german.about.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.deutschseite.de/inhalt.html[/url]
Nicht Bücher, aber sind die beide ganz hilfreich. Ich finde Tom's Deutschseite besonders einfach, und gibts Übungen!

"Hammer's German Grammar and Usage" ist ein eigentliches Buch, das hat viele Beispiele, und ist auch sehr gründlich.

[sp]tho im pretty sure i can wake up tomorrow and notice 20 mistakes in what i said.[/sp]

[kunst_deco]

-snip- i'm wrong

[helifreak]

I was pretty surprised when I was looking at the difference between simplified and traditional Chinese that Japanese actually uses the traditional characters since I recognised 議 (议 simplified). With them loving the fuck out of abbreviations for everything (the bane of my existence) I would have thought they would use the simpler ones.

It's also neat how the Chinese only characters appear in a different font so it's obvious when there's no chance I would know a specific character.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/p7STLrq.png[/t]
The Japanese ones are pixelated.

ハングルは面白いと思います。けだし１－２年位に韓国語を勉強開始します。大抵のハングルの母音を暗記しました。[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHBZs_dPIeM"]あの動画[/URL]は優しいから多数回の視聴した。
That last sentence took fucking forever and I know it's almost certainly wrong.

[reevezy67]

They were adopted while only traditional existed so it makes sense. They've already developed their own simplified writing system anyway.

Why is this thread so dead so often, learn some languages fp you uncultured fucks. Learning Chinese is the best thing I've ever done.

[fartparty]

yeah you'll be living the high life when china takes over the world