Anyone who has been in the army and deployed: Have you ever been shot? - General

yeah i got shot in the head twice and someone emptied a clip on me but i punched them in the face with my fist and throw rpgs at another guym then i used medpack

Haven't been shot at yet, but I'm not in any particular hurry.

[QUOTE=tison345;19060690]Three .38 bullets in the chest aren't enough to stop a guy hopped up on angel dust. Adrenaline lets you support a lot of shit, the human body isn't as fragile as so many people seem to think. You're not going to be incapacitated or out of commission with one shot unless it's a high caliber or it hits you somewhere very important. [editline]08:00PM[/editline] Also if you're taken by surprise you're pretty much down immediately because you're not prepared and the adrenaline won't help[/QUOTE] Being hopped up on drugs doesn't change the stopping power. A hit to the CNS will cause incapacitation regardless if you feel it or not. A hit to the stomach, chest, or pelvis has a very good chance of causing catastrophic internal bleeding and quick incapacitation. Read up on the topic.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;19102314]Being hopped up on drugs doesn't change the stopping power. A hit to the CNS will cause incapacitation regardless if you feel it or not. A hit to the stomach, chest, or pelvis has a very good chance of causing catastrophic internal bleeding and quick incapacitation. Read up on the topic.[/QUOTE] i listened a nurse when he was talking about drugs and he told me that some people on drugs just get up and continue running on when they get shot, and if they're passed out and you want to get them up you can rub your knuckles as hard as possible on their sternum to cause pain, and some of them wouldn't react to it at all, get somebody to do that to you and you'll see how much they can take pain

ive been shot

[QUOTE=Clever-Balls;19061380][QUOTE=rosar098;19061302]You're pretty dam stupid. You're SUPPOSED to tie a tourniquet on your arm to stop the bleeding. It's either you go into shock and risk death or risk an arm. Personally, I'd rather lose an arm than fucking die. But, back onto the topic. I would imagine that getting shot is very painful. It is lead entering your skin at a very high velocity.[/QUOTE] No, only after 30 mins of constant bleeding can you tourniquet, (I think it's 30 mins) bleeds from an extremity can be stopped/hindered well by pressure. Tourniquets are HUGE last resort things, as blood can be easilly replaced if treated in the golden hour, whereas if you tourniquet NO blood will get to that limb and you'll have a huge problem then.[/QUOTE] Wrong, the use of tourniquets is encouraged because the EVAC times are relatively short in most places (unless you are one the poor bastards located in east-bumfuck). You don't always have the luxury of time, just slap on a tourniquet and return fire, then get the wounded men the fuck out. [QUOTE=Clever-Balls;19061218][QUOTE=tison345;19060690]Three .38 bullets in the chest aren't enough to stop a guy hopped up on angel dust. Adrenaline lets you support a lot of shit, the human body isn't as fragile as so many people seem to think. You're not going to be incapacitated or out of commission with one shot unless it's a high caliber or it hits you somewhere very important. [editline]08:00PM[/editline] Also if you're taken by surprise you're pretty much down immediately because you're not prepared and the adrenaline won't help[/QUOTE] Seriously, where do you get this crap from? In terms of bullets, one to the chest is easilly enough to put down someone. Taking three bullets to the chest and living is basically a lottery win type chance. As soon as a bullet enters the rib cage chances are it won't stop for a while and will richochet inside of you, mushing up all of your internals as it goes.[/QUOTE] Velocity != Stopping power. If the velocity of the round it too high, it will pass though the target before expending all the kinetic energy (by "mushing" up organs, as you say). Generally the rounds that the US and NATO uses will either pass through, or in the case of 5.56 FMJ (and maybe 7.62, I don't remember), the tend to Yaw, and come out at a somewhat different angle they initially penetrated the target as.

[QUOTE=Glitch360;19057948]^I've seen some documentary on the Discovery Channel about it, shit looks painful. They basically weave the ants together, and you have to wear them for ten or so minutes.[/QUOTE] Beautiful tribal culture, or just primitive?

[QUOTE=Clever-Balls;19059331]Your friend is pretty stupid, you could have lost your arm if he tied a tourniquet on you.[/QUOTE] Why?

would smoking weed lessen the pain

Police rounds don't bounce around as much, they're designed to expand and fold outwards when they hit you. So they cause less chance of death from internal injuries. As a result they have more of a blunt force effect, unprepared most rounds will knock you down if you get in the chest. If you're prepared though, you can run away. Buckshot is an instant downer as well as rifles and some high calibre pistol/revolver rounds. Look at videos involving armed store robberies, often when the robber gets shot he turns around and runs away. Then bleeds to death somewhere twenty minutes later. Shopkeepers go down almost at once, even if it's a non lethal shot. I think alot of the effect is how prepared you are. If it happens without warning your very likely to go down right away. If you're expecting it, you can turn and run. I think with most rounds you also feel it right away. It's pretty unlikely that a sharp piece of metal moving at nearly the speed of sound can hit you without it hurting.

I think bieng penetrated would actually feel good.

[QUOTE=Peluri;19102591]i listened a nurse when he was talking about drugs and he told me that some people on drugs just get up and continue running on when they get shot, and if they're passed out and you want to get them up you can rub your knuckles as hard as possible on their sternum to cause pain, and some of them wouldn't react to it at all, get somebody to do that to you and you'll see how much they can take pain[/QUOTE] Pain has nothing to do with stopping power. Pain is just psychological. It has about as much to do with stopping someone as just showing them the gun. [editline]02:19PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Morphology53;19102656] Velocity != Stopping power. If the velocity of the round it too high, it will pass though the target before expending all the kinetic energy (by "mushing" up organs, as you say). Generally the rounds that the US and NATO uses will either pass through, or in the case of 5.56 FMJ (and maybe 7.62, I don't remember), the tend to Yaw, and come out at a somewhat different angle they initially penetrated the target as.[/QUOTE] It's not that black and white. After a certain velocity, rounds fragment on impact, dumping all their kinetic energy at once. That's called hydrostatic shock. Rifles are especially good at this. 5.56mm fragments more often than it yaws. Bullet design is a key player here. 5.56 does not over penetrate unless it's steel cored or something else exotic. This is especially true with barrels under 20" that yield less velocity.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;19104476][QUOTE=Peluri;19102591]i listened a nurse when he was talking about drugs and he told me that some people on drugs just get up and continue running on when they get shot, and if they're passed out and you want to get them up you can rub your knuckles as hard as possible on their sternum to cause pain, and some of them wouldn't react to it at all, get somebody to do that to you and you'll see how much they can take pain[/QUOTE] Pain has nothing to do with stopping power. Pain is just psychological. It has about as much to do with stopping someone as just showing them the gun. [editline]02:19PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Morphology53;19102656] Velocity != Stopping power. If the velocity of the round it too high, it will pass though the target before expending all the kinetic energy (by "mushing" up organs, as you say). Generally the rounds that the US and NATO uses will either pass through, or in the case of 5.56 FMJ (and maybe 7.62, I don't remember), the tend to Yaw, and come out at a somewhat different angle they initially penetrated the target as.[/QUOTE] It's not that black and white. After a certain velocity, rounds fragment on impact, dumping all their kinetic energy at once. That's called hydrostatic shock. Rifles are especially good at this. 5.56mm fragments more often than it yaws. Bullet design is a key player here. 5.56 does not over penetrate unless it's steel cored or something else exotic. This is especially true with barrels under 20" that yield less velocity.[/QUOTE] Body mass is another key factor, 5.56 will pass through around a foot and a half of soft tissue, more if the planets are properly aligned.

[QUOTE=Morphology53;19105416]Body mass is another key factor, 5.56 will pass through around a foot and a half of soft tissue, more if the planets are properly aligned.[/QUOTE] I take it you're american, as your regulations differ from ours. As i said, for us using that technique is pretty much a no go (Unless you use it to hold down a bandage to keep pressure on the wound).

Nvm.

Yup, got my Flu Shot bout a few months ago Feels like a sting, but once its over, feels fine.

[QUOTE=zeebiedeebie;19055968]I'm just wondering what it's like. It's not like in videogames where you can take ten bullets to the chest and be fine. One bullet seems like it would be enough to have me on the ground in pain.[/QUOTE] There's only one way to find out...

[QUOTE=zeebiedeebie;19055968]I'm just wondering what it's like. It's not like in videogames where you can take ten bullets to the chest and be fine. One bullet seems like it would be enough to have me on the ground in pain.[/QUOTE] You don't ask these kinds of questions, it's disrespectful.

[QUOTE=:smug:;19059373]COD has some of the most realistic game play available. I'm sorry, I couldn't type that with a straight face, overheard some chavs saying exactly that the other day. :suicide:[/QUOTE] A [I]chav[/I] said "available?"

Where's Big Dumb American or whatever when you need him

Most army's use rounds which expand outward. This decreases the chance of death and that's what they want. It takes more men to help a wounded soldier than one that's dead.

Most people describe it as strong blunt trauma like being thwacked with a 2x4 and that the affected area is rather weak and numb. Once adrenaline high wears off though, it feels as if it's on fire. [QUOTE=Ragy;19108582]Most army's use rounds which expand outward. This decreases the chance of death and that's what they want. It takes more men to help a wounded soldier than one that's dead.[/QUOTE] Where in the fuck did you get that absurd idea? No rounds are designed to "wound", they're designed to cause as much tissue damage possible in order to stop the target. Oh and rounds which expand, tumble, or fragment INCREASE the chance of death. [QUOTE=DrMortician;19104476]Pain has nothing to do with stopping power. Pain is just psychological. It has about as much to do with stopping someone as just showing them the gun.[/QUOTE] Precisely. It's not the pain that incapacitates, it's the tissue damage. It's pretty damn hard to fight back when you can't move your leg. There's also a chance of going into shock.

There was something I read about in the paper a few weeks back, about some guy getting his arm blown off by an RPG or something. Apparently the shock or something means that the pain takes forever to get there, but by then he's so dosed up on morphine or whatever there's hardly any pain.

[QUOTE=Faunts;19108312]Where's Big Dumb American or whatever when you need him[/QUOTE] How is he going to know what it's like to get shot? Just because he's in the army doesn't mean he's been shot.

[QUOTE=Jund;19057056]I'm saying that depending on where you get shot, the pain would be different. Besides, other people are discussing about getting shot, so why can't I?[/QUOTE] Anyone can state the obvious..

People often carry on going if they get shot, even in the chest, especially if they're in a fight and pumped full of adrenaline. Many policemen are seriously wounded or killed each year because the people they shoot don't drop down dead "like on TV". Generally, being stabbed is more painful than being shot because the hot lead cauterises the wound.

[QUOTE=Loen;19109317]Most people describe it as strong blunt trauma like being thwacked with a 2x4 and that the affected area is rather weak and numb. Once adrenaline high wears off though, it feels as if it's on fire. Where in the fuck did you get that absurd idea? No rounds are designed to "wound", they're designed to cause as much tissue damage possible in order to stop the target. Oh and rounds which expand, tumble, or fragment INCREASE the chance of death. Precisely. It's not the pain that incapacitates, it's the tissue damage. It's pretty damn hard to fight back when you can't move your leg. There's also a chance of going into shock.[/QUOTE] well said commandant.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;19110410]People often carry on going if they get shot, even in the chest, especially if they're in a fight and pumped full of adrenaline. Many policemen are seriously wounded or killed each year because the people they shoot don't drop down dead "like on TV". Generally, being stabbed is more painful than being shot because the hot lead cauterises the wound.[/QUOTE] The round isn't burning hot, if it was there would be little to no bloodloss. Which is quite the contrary. The burning sensation is caused by damage to nervous tissues. The reason it's less painful is because you're literally having a hole punched into you by a blunt piece of metal. It causes the surrounding tissues and in more higher powered rounds; tissue extending further from the wound to be crushed, torn, buckled, et cetera due to hydrostatic pressure. This also causes the nervous tissue to be temporarily paralyzed and/or severed locally. Along with the addition of adrenaline, some people won't notice they've been shot until they see they're soaked in blood and pouring it all over the place. A knife on the other hand, just splits the flesh.

Why exactly are you asking this?

because later on in his life it'll help him with the girls