• I want your opinion: on what you think about no child left behind.
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It's not good...when you're actually not going to try and learn harder next time. Although this doesn't happen because moving on to the next grade means you know everything in the past grade; and must use that past knowledge to solve NEW problems, which you don't know how to do and it just fucks you all up. NCLB fucks the people who want to learn but can't and the people who refuse to learn.
My school district (I'm actually not certain if it's nationwide) grades you on bare completion for projects instead of effort. So if I go beyond the standards and put actual effort and show in great detail I fully understand the subject i'm still going to get the same grade as the person who only understands the bare minimums for the class. It just gives me no motivation, if I put effort into a project it's just wasted time because I get no reward.
Entire school system is a crock full of rotting elephant shit based around mindless 'busy work' and keeping the children somewhere during the day, it has nothing to do with education because there's never any educating. NCLB shouldn't be your main concern, it's just a small gear in a rusty, broken down machine.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;32158407]Yeah I love that. I'm in High School and I want to be a Theoretical Astrophysicist and I get just as much attention as the kid that wants to "smoke pot and skateboard" for the rest of his life. God I fucking hate the US Educational System. I should go to one of those private rich schools, I know there is one in the area that I could go to if I really wanted to.[/QUOTE] Regardless of what thy're doing now, they're a part of the workforce as well as human being. Babies don't want to do anything but roll around on the floor but you still give them vaccines because yu know they're dumbfucks. And if I may stretch the analogy... And I don't see how a dumbed-down program comes from the law instead of the schools reaction to the law. And having bad children in good classes is supposed to help them, since the child's colleagues will be able to help it more. Although, I don't think it'll help much. And standardized testing is an absolute must. I mean, just out of the fact that grades are there to grade you, so universities and jobs can know who's more qualified. having 2 different tests indicating the same thing is like saying 60 degrees Celsius is the same as Fahrenheit. I could tell you volumes about how my teachers' tests were ridiculously easy specifically so students would pass. And check my flag, I'm not under that Act.
[QUOTE=Anax;32158549]My school district (I'm actually not certain if it's nationwide) grades you on bare completion for projects instead of effort. So if I go beyond the standards and put actual effort and show in great detail I fully understand the subject i'm still going to get the same grade as the person who only understands the bare minimums for the class. It just gives me no motivation, if I put effort into a project it's just wasted time because I get no reward.[/QUOTE] At least in my GATE class, my english teacher would give extra credit for effort. For example we had to summarize a story in a song. Some groups put their summary to nursery rhymes, while my group, consisting of 3 choir experts and me, decided to summarize the book to the entirety of Viva La Vida. We got extra points for that.
Oh, I see where NCLB can fuck up above-average students. Maybe it should increase funding by how much the average increases over the years and, regarding that average increase over years, maybe it should be individual, so it would stimulate everyone. [editline]7th September 2011[/editline] Effort shouldn't be rewarded, if anything, it should be punished. I mean, if two students do the same thing but one has to work harder, that last one is less qualified.
The problem with NCLB is that it attempts to cater to the lowest common denominator. As good an idea as this sounds, as it could be expected to increase graduation rates and generally reduce the number of people who can't get a job because they've never finished highschool, it sadly doesn't work simply because the lowest common denominator has already given up long ago. They have no desire to be there, and therefore will not put forth the necessary effort no matter how much special treatment and support you give them. They simply don't care. Luckily I'm in a program where I'm actually challenged to think critically and do work that's on my level. Best of luck to those of you who are stuck with the losers, my heart goes out to you.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;32158621]Entire school system is a crock full of rotting elephant shit based around mindless 'busy work' and keeping the children somewhere during the day, it has nothing to do with education because there's never any educating. NCLB shouldn't be your main concern, it's just a small gear in a rusty, broken down machine.[/QUOTE] You're completely right. I remember my economics teacher, senior year, would rant on like crazy about how the school system is completely fucked. To become a teacher (at least in the state of Florida), you need at least a bachelor's degree. Sounds reasonable, right? The problem is that to manage the teachers, you don't need shit. You can become head of janitors and make 10x the amount of teachers. Don't believe me? Take a look at [url=http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-05-26/news/fl-broward-schools-votech-20110526_1_head-custodian-broward-teachers-union-janitors]this[/url]. So why become a teacher when you can become a head custodian and make over $100k a year?
NCLB was a good idea in theory by making schools try to bridge the education gap between the smartest and the dumbest by giving standards to abide by and inciting consequences for those that underperformed. However, like Soviet Communism, it was poorly worked in practice because the dumbest never cared to or failed to learn the material and the smartest ironically start falling behind because they're not challenged. It doesn't help at all that schools that can't keep test scores up get their funding cut so they get caught in a catch-22 situation where they can't educate students because they don't have funding and they don't have funding because they can't educate students. Additionally, there is no incentive for schools that can stay on top of their test scores to keep them above the bare minimum required to keep funding, so they just keep gliding on that train of mediocrity as long as they can. In the very end, it really needs to be scrapped.
I should've also noted that while that head janitor was making $100k/year, 1400 teachers were being laid off
I'm just so used to accepting all the bullshit the school system pulls that it doesn't even effect me anymore
BUllshit because it fucked me over. I'm so horrible in english in college, I had to retake 1A twice, and I can't write essays for shit
I'm so glad to be out of the public school system and in college now.
[QUOTE=pyschomc;32158809]BUllshit because it fucked me over. I'm so horrible in english in college, I had to retake 1A twice, and I can't write essays for shit[/QUOTE] Can't you hire a tutor?
If a school doesn't do well on tests, it loses funding. Eventually they fire all teachers. It's bullshit. No doubt it's part of a plan to make our public schools even worse in an attempt to make the masses believe privatized education is the answer.
All the people who are protected by this act don't even want to be in school, meanwhile the people who want to learn are stuck behind with idiots.
I fucking hate it. I am no good at math, but I'm doing shit I got no clue how to do. Luckily for me, I got a new math teacher and he breaks things down beyond the limit and actually helps.
This kind of programs are hapenning worldwide... and it's happening from daycares to colleges I cant tell if it's trully a stupidification campaing. Or if the people that create this kind of programs trully bellieve that an over educated (read: over qualified) society is a good thing.
I facepalmed so hard at some of these posts. "WAHhhh there's people who are not as smart as I am in my classes! Wahahhh how dare the state, teacher, and school try to give us all equal attention than direct it all on me WAHHHHHHHhhhhhh" Really, that's what most of you guys sound like (finalhunter, I am talking about you, you elitist little baby) The law is bullshit though, just you guys are bitching way overboard and making it out to be how only "gifted" children should go to school. [editline]7th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=LordCrypto;32158473]Trust me, its a good idea, I might make a thread like the janitor thread about it when I see if I get in the program.[/QUOTE] "I am gifted and want to post about how I skipped a few grades:Am I cool yet?" thread?
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32159799]I facepalmed so hard at some of these posts. "WAHhhh there's people who are not as smart as I am in my classes! Wahahhh how dare the state, teacher, and school try to give us all equal attention than direct it all on me WAHHHHHHHhhhhhh" Really, that's what most of you guys sound like (finalhunter, I am talking about you, you elitist little baby) The law is bullshit though, just you guys are bitching way overboard and making it out to be how only "gifted" children should go to school. [editline]7th September 2011[/editline] "I am gifted and want to post about how I skipped a few grades:Am I cool yet?" thread?[/QUOTE] Nah, its a bit more than that.
I fucking hated the educational system and I didn't get anything out of those bullshit core classes I did just as a formality to receive my diploma. I was just lucky to have courses like Computer Programming that I actually cared about.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;32159799]I facepalmed so hard at some of these posts. "WAHhhh there's people who are not as smart as I am in my classes! Wahahhh how dare the state, teacher, and school try to give us all equal attention than direct it all on me WAHHHHHHHhhhhhh" Really, that's what most of you guys sound like (finalhunter, I am talking about you, you elitist little baby) The law is bullshit though, just you guys are bitching way overboard and making it out to be how only "gifted" children should go to school. [editline]7th September 2011[/editline] "I am gifted and want to post about how I skipped a few grades:Am I cool yet?" thread?[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do about being "gifted" or born smart or whatever the fuck you want to call it, it's that the people who don't want to learn are being catered to while the people who do want to learn are being held back.
Basically, all the schoolwork is boring. I signed up for a project at my school called AGS, and I'm a junior in it now. Best decision of my life. We still have to take certain tests, but all the teachers are laid back (most have tattoos, my statement stands). We take a global look on things, more challenging work, kids who don't give a shit are still in it, but they usually can't cope with the workload. My first year was filled with preppy idiots who drank, now they all switched out and it's full of people I like to hang out with and talk about real subjects around the world. I thought I'd never have a meaningful conversation with someone who was into computers, someone who plays music like I do, or someone who likes chemistry as much as I did. Plus, we were taught first hand how it is to live in poor countries - In Arkansas, we went to a place named Heifer where we simulated different villages, Zimbabwe, Refugees, Guatemala) we spent two days eating their food. Which means one egg, some spinach with peanut butter, and an onion Split up between 4 people. Last year was Costa Rica, this year is New Orleans. It was free to apply, all we did was write an essay on why we should be accepted. My freshman geography teacher was one of the best teachers I've ever had. He and the sophomore history teacher keep a tally on how many different countries they've been to. Whenever we study one part of the globe, he always has a buttload of pictures to show us. If there's some kind of "school inside a school," you should join and test it out - it was well worth it. For Costa Rica, we went to the beach, a volcano, lived with a tribe of indigenous people, the Bri-Bri, planted trees, painted a nursing home, picked up trash, played futbol with the locals (lost), witnessed the mating of two three-toed sloths, attended a university, and I had to deal with a dicktater partner who wanted to commit suicide on the trip because some girl wouldn't go out with him. Sorry for the blogpunc-esque post.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;32158913]If a school doesn't do well on tests, it loses funding. Eventually they fire all teachers. It's bullshit. No doubt it's part of a plan to make our public schools even worse in an attempt to make the masses believe privatized education is the answer.[/QUOTE] I went to private school :smug:
I think it was a good idea in theory but repercussions were not taken in to account. I think its great that those that need the attention get it, but unless the quicker kids are in AP classes, their just sitting around not challenging themselves enough. Even then AP classes are too slow for some. However I know at my school, if you went and told a teacher you were not being challenged enough, they would give you alternative assignments, that are a higher level.
I personally think that forcing kids to stay in school longer is bullshit. for example; in South Australia (where I live) you can't leave school till you're 17. So the school system is full of fucktards who would have dropped out but can't. Then they go around fucking the school over and wasting school resources. Really they should have dropped out and gone to work at the supermarket for the next 10 years. If the kids just sit at home all day, send them to the army for 12 months, that will kick their ass and get them moving
Education in America needs serious reform. It used to be where you actually had to know something to get through school, now they just throw you a diploma for "hanging in there." See, society has a way of working itself out. It used to be, where "street-smart" people would become blue-collar workers, meaning mills, factories, etc. Book-smart people (who didn't do the "bare minimum") would become lawyers, doctors, and so on. For the longest time, this worked. Until budgets and money came into play. Schools today function on a tighter budget. So, in order to get the appropriate funds, schools are judged by their test scores. High scores get more money, while lower schools get nothing. Teachers don't get pay raises, therefore are less likely to care. No Child Left Behind was made with good intentions, but the problem is, you cannot drag a child through school with failing grades. When I was in school, if you didn't pay attention you got left behind. You stayed until you passed. Either that, or you dropped out. While there are still dropouts, you can easily graduate if you are willing to just sit there for 8 hours a day. Another problem is teachers unions. I hate unions, I really do. Unions are good to protect the workers, however, unions protect assholes and bad workers as well, not just he good ones. This means that when a teacher is "fired", they get to go to a review board. Sometimes cases take YEARS to review. They get paid FULL salaries, etc. While I agree that EVERYONE should have the right to education, I don't agree with forcing people through the system. The natural motions will ensure that those who do good succeed, and those who fail will struggle. If everyone was smart and did really well and became doctors, there would be nobody to do the lower-class work. This is the natural balance. Average students make average workers. Average workers are needed. Great students make great workers, like doctors. The natural balance of things is upset. Instead of actually requiring skill, you are just required to attend. And think, if nothing reforms soon: These "achievers" will be your doctors, your truck drivers, etc. Kids today can barely run fast food places, let alone perform open heart surgery.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;32158009]It's bullshit. In my World History class the other day, there was a black Junior guy and on the first day we were talking about the Neanderthal's and the Cro-Magnon man and he asked, "why did the neanderthal's die out? do you think it was like a hitler situation where the cromagnons said 'hey let's kill them off or somethin"". The teacher looked at him with a blank stare and went "Uh.. No."[/QUOTE]Why is that a dumb question? That fact that he's asking questions about it is a good thing. Your teacher could have told him ways they could have died out instead of looking at him with a blank stare and going "Uh.. no."
[QUOTE=Anax;32158224]I think it's pretty dumb. I have absolutely no motivation to do my work because I've literally been learning the same thing for like 5 years straight and I'm getting annoyed. Especially in science class; ever since 5th grade I've learned these things and these things only: earthquakes, volcanoes, gravity, and the states of matter. I'm not exaggerating, I've yet to learn something new in science since elementary school. The worst part is that the majority of the class still doesn't fucking understand it.[/QUOTE] Same here every year is just a teenweeni bit for in depth, but the dame shit. You know being in highschool, I haven't got up to WWI yet in history
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;32158407]-private school shit-[/QUOTE] Don't bother, In Australia at least, the standard of education is the same and the dumb asses don't get filtered out.
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