What are the obvious benefits besides mood change?
I don't feel that smokey tar in lungs outweighs feeling happy for 30 mins to an hour
[QUOTE=beefsnorkel;20310032]What are the obvious benefits besides mood change?
I don't feel that smokey tar in lungs outweighs feeling happy for 30 mins to an hour[/QUOTE]
Here's why your an idiot. Pot doesn't leave tar or anything close to tar in your lungs.
Fuck, if you're going to go this way, stop playing video games, stop doing anything that isn't aimed towards having perfect health. I personally, will be smoking up, doing drugs, having fun, going to parties, imbibing alcohol, and doing what I find fun in life. Who's having more fun? Me.
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[QUOTE=beefsnorkel;20309679]Would it be unreasonable to state that those who don't use substances to aid themselves in relaxation/mood changes are better off in life, because they have a stronger will?[/QUOTE]
No. Not really. You don't have low willpower if you're doing something you want to do. Drugs aren't all addictive, and they certainly aren't instantly addictive.
Why do people like you just live in ignorance and act so fucking superior because of it?
[QUOTE=franz;20309455]It's not an argument without evidence.[/QUOTE]
I gave evidence but you don't think it counts because you don't like it.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;20308650]I was making an argument.[/QUOTE]
All you were doing was trying to make an argument. You didn't, you just asserted bullshit.
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[QUOTE=lazyguy;20310116]I gave evidence but you don't think it counts because you don't like it.[/QUOTE]
No. It's not evidence because it's not saying anything that hasn't been contradicted by 20 more studies.
Drugs kill.
[QUOTE=beefsnorkel;20310032]What are the obvious benefits besides mood change?[/QUOTE]
Deeper and more objective thinking. Enhanced senses. One who has been sober their entire life has a lot to learn by trying cannabis.
[QUOTE=beefsnorkel;20310032]I don't feel that smokey tar in lungs outweighs feeling happy for 30 mins to an hour[/QUOTE]
Smoking weed does not cause any permanent harm to the lungs.
And please don't attempt to describe what being high is like when you haven't tried it. Or decide whether or not it's worth doing, for that matter.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;20310116]I gave evidence but you don't think it counts because you don't like it.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't count because none of it says weed is bad, and you're not even trying to back it up. It seems you don't give a shit about the argument, so why bother?
[QUOTE=beefsnorkel;20310032]What are the obvious benefits besides mood change?
I don't feel that smokey tar in lungs outweighs feeling happy for 30 mins to an hour[/QUOTE]
It's comments like this that really get me. People who have never tried any of the potentially beneficial drugs think that it just makes you "Happy". If we are talking about cocaine, or ecstasy then sure, but drugs like marijuana, psilocybin mushrooms, or LSD aren't Mood changers. Sure they can make things hilarious, but they change your perceptions a whole log more than your mood. You see things differently, you hear things differently, you feel things differently. It's an altogether new and exciting experience. (That can be the worst if you aren't in a good positive setting) People don't do acid or shrooms to make them feel good because they are depressed, they do them for the introspective enlightening experience, and because it's super fun, if done right.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;20310134]All you were doing was trying to make an argument. You didn't, you just asserted bullshit.
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No. It's not evidence because it's not saying anything that hasn't been contradicted by 20 more studies.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha here we go again with the "those papers are bullshit". If they were they'd have been retracted.
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Also I haven't seen it contradicted by any papers in a good journal or website (ie not one with a fucking pot leaf all over the design).
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[QUOTE=franz;20310170]Deeper and more objective thinking.[/QUOTE]
Mmmmmhmmmmmm
[QUOTE="mLbR";20293689]Not funny but, nice try.[/QUOTE]
coming from someone with a lettuce head avatar i would take that seriously.
The point is that nobody is going to win over this argument
[QUOTE=lazyguy;20311191]Hahaha here we go again with the "those papers are bullshit". If they were they'd have been retracted.
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Also I haven't seen it contradicted by any papers in a good journal or website (ie not one with a fucking pot leaf all over the design).
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Mmmmmhmmmmmm[/QUOTE]
See, you've never done it, never will, and don't understand what a high really is about. I'm ignoring the health objections because so far, nothing you've quoted has said "WEED IS BAD" like you seem to say. But here's the problem. You've never been high, you've never expierenced it, and you think you know what it's about. That's the problem.
You guys automatically assumed that I haven't ever tried a single drug ever....lawls. Get over that. I've smoked weed (reggies, and chronic), snorted coke, smoked meth, popped X, snorty oxycontin, perkoset, adderall, concerta, ate an eight (3.5 grams) of shrooms for my first time shrooming, etc.
Humanabbyss, you bitch and moan about ignorance. Pot, meet kettle. Smoking the bud made me lose my feelings of social awkwardness, it made me eat food i'd normally pass on, i met a bunch of awesome girls, and I loved playing games while stoned.
What it ALSO did was drain my wallet, made me seriously dislike sober living because it wasn't nearly as interesting as being high, gave me a lot of fake friends that dropped fast when I wasn't around weed, made me forgot a lot about who I really was, and a lot of other stuff I can't remember.
So instead of acting like a highhorse fuckwad, and being a a bitch to everyone you disagree with, try and imagine a world where yes! people out there HAVE done a whole different fuckload of drugs, AND THEY QUIT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT!
let that sink in for a moment. Now procceed to bitch about how I'm lying about ever getting high, and bitch about ignorance. Just don't forget the kettle, bro.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;20311349]See, you've never done it, never will, and don't understand what a high really is about. I'm ignoring the health objections because so far, nothing you've quoted has said "WEED IS BAD" like you seem to say. But here's the problem. You've never been high, you've never expierenced it, and you think you know what it's about. That's the problem.[/QUOTE]
Why so defensive?
[I]Chill about it[/I], dude.
[QUOTE=beefsnorkel;20311384]You guys automatically assumed that I haven't ever tried a single drug ever....lawls. Get over that. I've smoked weed (reggies, and chronic), snorted coke, smoked meth, popped X, snorty oxycontin, perkoset, adderall, concerta, ate an eight (3.5 grams) of shrooms for my first time shrooming, etc.
Humanabbyss, you bitch and moan about ignorance. Pot, meet kettle. Smoking the bud made me lose my feelings of social awkwardness, it made me eat food i'd normally pass on, i met a bunch of awesome girls, and I loved playing games while stoned.
What it ALSO did was drain my wallet, made me seriously dislike sober living because it wasn't nearly as interesting as being high, gave me a lot of fake friends that dropped fast when I wasn't around weed, made me forgot a lot about who I really was, and a lot of other stuff I can't remember.
So instead of acting like a highhorse fuckwad, and being a a bitch to everyone you disagree with, try and imagine a world where yes! people out there HAVE done a whole different fuckload of drugs, AND THEY QUIT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT!
let that sink in for a moment. Now procceed to bitch about how I'm lying about ever getting high, and bitch about ignorance. Just don't forget the kettle, bro.[/QUOTE]
I don't fucking care if you tried them, didn't like them, and gave them up. That doesn't make you fucking better than anyone else here. I like it, and I've done it for 5 years. You act superior than us, that's my fucking problem here. Yeah, sure it drains your wallet, what do you expect? Life isn't fucking free. If you want to live sober, you go ahead, does that mean you should stop the people who don't want to? You certainly act and talk enough shit to seem that way. See, you can talk tons of shit about the pot and the kettle, and maybe you're right because I didn't know you did drugs, but you act like that matters. Sure, my ignorance comments go out the window, but you [b]are still fucking wrong about the health costs of some drugs and if you did do drugs you would know that.[/b]
And cut that high horse shit, you're acting like you're the fucking king of the castle.
Hey fags I don't think this arguement is EVER going to stop in this thread and in future ones.
I'm high right now. [B]light[/B]en up
Honestly, it seems like you are an idiot after careful reading of all that. You seemed to think that drugs made everything amazing and perfect and when you found out there just another thing to do, you got dissapointed and starting talking dumb shit about health costs and shit. No, drugs aren't free. No, they aren't perfect. No one ever claimed they were. They have their own costs, and it's up the individual person to decide if they want to pay those costs. You didn't. Then you talk shit about the ones that want to pay that, that are happy to do it.
Yeah man, I've repeatedly said that I'm the best ex user evar, that I mea more than you, and that I'm never wrong.
O wait, no I didn't. Why don't you smoke a bowl man? You're always so tense and mean when talking about your beloved bud.
You're really tense all the time. You know what feels WAY better than weed? Snort a 27mg oxy. Feels fucking bomb bro, way better than weed will ever feel. It would most likely make you realize how angry you are!
The only statement I made was about the smoke going into your lungs. If doctors really believed that lighting a butane lighter and smoking it in a pipe was healthy, why do medicinal users use the vaporizer bag? Wouldn't it not matter?
[QUOTE=Aman V;20311534]Hey fags I don't think this arguement is EVER going to stop in this thread and in future ones.
I'm high right now. [B]light[/B]en up[/QUOTE]
woah dude there in not need to be harsh!
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;20311572]Honestly, it seems like you are an idiot after careful reading of all that. You seemed to think that drugs made everything amazing and perfect and when you found out there just another thing to do, you got dissapointed and starting talking dumb shit about health costs and shit. No, drugs aren't free. No, they aren't perfect. No one ever claimed they were. They have their own costs, and it's up the individual person to decide if they want to pay those costs. You didn't. Then you talk shit about the ones that want to pay that, that are happy to do it.[/QUOTE]
now you are just talking the same thing over and over and over.
But you got a point....I Think
[QUOTE=beefsnorkel;20311586]Yeah man, I've repeatedly said that I'm the best ex user evar, that I mea more than you, and that I'm never wrong.
O wait, no I didn't. Why don't you smoke a bowl man? You're always so tense and mean when talking about your beloved bud.
You're really tense all the time. You know what feels WAY better than weed? Snort a 27mg oxy. Feels fucking bomb bro, way better than weed will ever feel. It would most likely make you realize how angry you are!
The only statement I made was about the smoke going into your lungs. If doctors really believed that lighting a butane lighter and smoking it in a pipe was healthy, why do medicinal users use the vaporizer bag? Wouldn't it not matter?[/QUOTE]
God damn are you a bright one. The health costs of smoking anything are there. Does it bring tar into your lungs? No. Does it hurt your lungs? Apparently not after a number of studies.
Yeah, I'll go snort some oxy and avoid that addiction that comes from Oxy quicker than any other opiate.
Yes, I'm tense. Do you think you're the cause of that? No.
Oh, and when did I ever say I was the best druggie or anything to that effect? I never did, and I certainly never implied I was better than anyone else.
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[QUOTE=Ordinos;20311590]woah dude there in not need to be harsh!
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now you are just talking the same thing over and over and over.
But you got a point....I Think[/QUOTE]
Yeah, i'm the one repeating myself.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;20311712]God damn are you a bright one. The health costs of smoking anything are there. Does it bring tar into your lungs? No. Does it hurt your lungs? Apparently not after a number of studies.
Yeah, I'll go snort some oxy and avoid that addiction that comes from Oxy quicker than any other opiate.
Yes, I'm tense. Do you think you're the cause of that? No.
Oh, and when did I ever say I was the best druggie or anything to that effect? I never did, and I certainly never implied I was better than anyone else.[/QUOTE]
No one ever said anything about you boasting of being a uber leet druggie dude. Might wanna re-read the last few posts. I was repsonding to your fasle statement that I have claimed to be super awesome because I did drugs and then quit.
I guess I should go read up on those studies, cuz last I checked (and heard from all 7 of my dealers) was that vaping was the way to go, because smoking 1 joint has 4x the amount of tar than one cig. Who knows, they are smokers too, they could be wrong.
Btw I smoked meth 6 times and snorted oxy more than that. Its only addictive if you put yourself around it when your coming down. Kinda like setting a gram of some dank on a table in front of you, when your not stoned anymore. Its just so temping.....
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meh if we keep replying all we will be doing is arguing for no reason at all.
[QUOTE=beefsnorkel;20311822]No one ever said anything about you boasting of being a uber leet druggie dude. Might wanna re-read the last few posts. I was repsonding to your fasle statement that I have claimed to be super awesome because I did drugs and then quit.
I guess I should go read up on those studies, cuz last I checked (and heard from all 7 of my dealers) was that vaping was the way to go, because smoking 1 joint has 4x the amount of tar than one cig. Who knows, they are smokers too, they could be wrong.
Btw I smoked meth 6 times and snorted oxy more than that. Its only addictive if you put yourself around it when your coming down. Kinda like setting a gram of some dank on a table in front of you, when your not stoned anymore. Its just so temping.....
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meh if we keep replying all we will be doing is arguing for no reason at all.[/QUOTE]
If there's more tar in a joint than four ciggerates, you're doing something wrong, or your dealers are braindead. Yeah, Vaporizing is far better in terms of inhaling weed because it's more or less straight up THC. When you smoke a joint, there's some shit in there that's not to great for you, but nothing near the levels of tar you're talking about.
Oh, by the way, don't talk about meth like you're the only one that's done it. Those are substances that are physically addictive, again showign you don't know what you're talking about. You're talking about putting yourself in a situation to avoid being mentally addicted. You can still become physically addicted fairly well. You'd think a drug user would be aware of the differences.
I was giving you the method that I used to not get hooked on the stuff. Stop spouting "hurr u dont know what ur saying" everywhere. Why do you even bother replying? You're just going to keep huffing shit back and fourth and prove nothing.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;20311349]See, you've never done it, never will, and don't understand what a high really is about. I'm ignoring the health objections because so far, nothing you've quoted has said "WEED IS BAD" like you seem to say. But here's the problem. You've never been high, you've never expierenced it, and you think you know what it's about. That's the problem.[/QUOTE]
I'm not claiming to know what being high is like. I don't give a shit what it's like.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;20320381]I'm not claiming to know what being high is like. I don't give a shit what it's like.[/QUOTE]
You made a comment about how it's bullshit that it "expands your mind". If you don't give a shit what it's like, why talk shit about it?
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[QUOTE=beefsnorkel;20313003]I was giving you the method that I used to not get hooked on the stuff. Stop spouting "hurr u dont know what ur saying" everywhere. Why do you even bother replying? You're just going to keep huffing shit back and fourth and prove nothing.[/QUOTE]
If you think you can avoid physical addiction just by thinking a certain way, you're sadly mistaken.
I posted those studies about it reducing cognition during the high. That's pretty much the opposite of expanding the mind.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;20322375]I posted those studies about it reducing cognition during the high. That's pretty much the opposite of expanding the mind.[/QUOTE]
Which don't show how the tests were done or what "temporal disintegration" even means. Cognition and expanding the mind aren't related. Cognition is measured with rigid IQ tests. Cannabis won't help with that sort of test, because it is mostly a creative experience. Expanding the mind is not a matter of intelligence, but the will to consider new and different ideas or opinions. You haven't experienced it, since you don't know what it is.
As Terence McKenna once said, "perceiving reality separately is a necessary adjunct to the act of understanding."
1. The fact that they were published in Science is an assurance they were scientifically sound.
2. Temporal disintegration is the kind of shit that happens when you do shitloads of acid - your sense of time gets whacked out
3. So what if it's 'creative', it still messes with your mind, and frankly, my mind is my greatest asset.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;20330653]1. The fact that they were published in Science is an assurance they were scientifically sound.[/QUOTE]
Knowing how the tests were done is just as important as knowing that they were done by a reputable source.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;20330653]2. Temporal disintegration is the kind of shit that happens when you do shitloads of acid - your sense of time gets whacked out[/QUOTE]
So that study has proved nothing. Being high is an altered state of mind. It's known to make time seem longer. That's not a negative and it doesn't mean it's harming your brain.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;20330653]3. So what if it's 'creative', it still messes with your mind, and frankly, my mind is my greatest asset.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't mess with my mind. The only effects it has had on my sober life are I'm more open-minded, I've made more friends, and I can have more fun than other people in my free time.
[QUOTE=beefsnorkel;20311384]You guys automatically assumed that I haven't ever tried a single drug ever....lawls. Get over that. I've smoked weed (reggies, and chronic), snorted coke, smoked meth, popped X, snorty oxycontin, perkoset, adderall, concerta, ate an eight (3.5 grams) of shrooms for my first time shrooming, etc.
Humanabbyss, you bitch and moan about ignorance. Pot, meet kettle. Smoking the bud made me lose my feelings of social awkwardness, it made me eat food i'd normally pass on, i met a bunch of awesome girls, and I loved playing games while stoned.
What it ALSO did was drain my wallet, made me seriously dislike sober living because it wasn't nearly as interesting as being high, gave me a lot of fake friends that dropped fast when I wasn't around weed, made me forgot a lot about who I really was, and a lot of other stuff I can't remember.
So instead of acting like a highhorse fuckwad, and being a a bitch to everyone you disagree with, try and imagine a world where yes! people out there HAVE done a whole different fuckload of drugs, AND THEY QUIT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT!
let that sink in for a moment. Now procceed to bitch about how I'm lying about ever getting high, and bitch about ignorance. Just don't forget the kettle, bro.[/QUOTE]
so you're too stupid to learn when to quit, that means we all are?
[QUOTE=lazyguy;20330653]1. The fact that they were published in Science is an assurance they were scientifically sound.
2. Temporal disintegration is the kind of shit that happens when you do shitloads of acid - your sense of time gets whacked out
3. So what if it's 'creative', it still messes with your mind, and frankly, my mind is my greatest asset.[/QUOTE]
Temporal disintegration also happens with tons, and tons of other activities. You act like it's abnormal to lose track of time. Yeah, I've done acid binges where I felt like I had been walking for 10 minutes, but I had walked for two hours. And no, it doesn't mess with your mind. It [b]CAN[/b] but it doesn't mean it will. Messing up minds is an exception to the rule, not the rule itself. My mind is more open, more free, and more capable of human connection than before my drug use.
Again, you've never done drugs, and you talk about how they make you feel, the effects, like you know what it's like. Don't start doing that shit. Also, don't say your mind is your greatest asset when you've closed it to anything contrary to your view. You don't have to accept it, or even like it, but you should still understand it.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20335141]so you're too stupid to learn when to quit, that means we all are?[/QUOTE]
No? Idk why you are saying this, I don't read that anywhere. My point was that a couple of people were ignoring me on the sole fact that "liarz you haven't even been high" when i have been really, really fucking high. I just got extreamly defensive and posted a long post. Thats it. Do what you want in life.
just dont pop 3 huge pills of concerta then try to jack an AC DC hoody from walmart while tweaking your brains out. you'll end up having to juke one rent a cop, balls out twoards the door, then slam into the double doors because the security team closed them on you (but they swing open like regular doors with massive force applied, for some reason)
it makes you feel sick for a bit.
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