Ugh, Bieber. The Karma is a tasteful, semi low-profile car? BLING BLING CHROME PURPLE WOOHOO. His F430 is painted matte black. It looks like he took a spray paint can to it. Congrats Bieber, you just ruined a perfectly good Ferrari and Karma.
I respect that he has the money for that stuff and technically can do whatever he wants with it, but jesus fuck have some goddamned TASTE before you blow your cash.
[QUOTE=thattaco;35509628]my grand father had a i6 4.9l 300cu with an auto. in a 92 reg cab 4x4 f-150 lariet. not alot of hp but it was a torque monster but got like 14mpg lol [/quote]
I've got an '85 with a 300 and OD 4-speed. 300K, still going strong, and I will still be driving that truck long after gasoline ceases to exist. Those 300s will run on pretty much anything, and last forever.
I get about 15 to a gallon average, and I'd say my city mileage is higher than my highway. I hate the 2.49 rear gears I have, 1700RPM at 75MPH just isn't enough, there's no horsepower to be found there. I feel I'd see another 3-4MPG if I got the RPMs on the freeway up to about 1900-2100, simply because I wouldn't have the throttle jammed wide open on every hill.
[quote] 145 hp @ 3400 rpm, Torque: 265 ft-lbs. @ 2000 rpm[/quote]
Mine's the older carb'd model, so it's closer to 120HP @ 3800RPM and 265FT LBs @ 1600RPM. Factoring in the wear and I'm looking at about 85-95HP at 3100 and about 250FT LBS at 1600.
[quote]traded it when cash for clunkers happened for a 09 trd tacoma 4x4 4door auto[/QUOTE]
....And he's allowed to drive at all? Someone who commits such a tough old motor to the C4C program deserves to have their license revoked permanently. I hope that toyota literally breaks in half when he opens the door one morning.
Funnily enough I was ineligible to C4C mine even if I wanted to murder it. The EPA rating was ONE MPG higher than the maximum that qualified as a clunker. I've also heard tales of Ford 300s that just flat refused to give up when they were fed the murder cocktail. One had to be shot with a 12 gauge slug to get it to stop working.
So my grades are FINALLY good enough for my parents. Me and my dad are going car hunting saturday. jesus, couldn't have taken longer
but what do you guys think of a white mustang?
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2442/3648182545_27a561ed66.jpg[/img]
like that with some Boss stripingand flat black spoiler?
White with blue stripes always looks good on American muscle.
[editline]10th April 2012[/editline]
Blue with white stripes also looks great.
Damn he got in no problem can't remember if it was 3500 or 4500.
That was in fall o 08 the v6 taco just has 8k miles on it now. The Toyota tows 5k lbs. a lot better than the old ford ever tried. He mainly drives his matrix around.
That i6 wAs a hell o a motor 4 speed auto also. Went through a few transmissions and a few other things. When he put 2k into it then the a/c went he was tired of it
I remember it had a leg on the odo just past 85 and he would set cruise with it almost touching it ~ 88mph. Ever understood we were actually hauling It lol.
[QUOTE=thattaco;35519879]The Toyota tows 5k lbs. a lot better than the old ford ever tried.[/quote] There must have been something dreadfully wrong with the powertain then. Mine's rated to tow 5500LBs, and has towed closer to 7500LBs before. We owned a 4x4 '87 Dakota, and it threw it's gearbox onto the street. Literally. Since it wasn't going to be limping home with the clutch plate strewn across main street, and since it was the second of two running vehicles my family owned at the time, my F150 was pressed into service towing the bitch home.
It was done with a very heavy two axle four corner car hauler that alone probably weighed close to a ton, and the stickers in the glovebox claimed the Dakota was around 4400 pounds. I don't know how it managed to do that without overheating the engine, but it did. The clutch wasn't happy about it at all, but it was glazed over so I reckon getting that hot might have given it another four or five thousand miles to live by breaking that glaze.
Funny thing is I've got the overdrive four-speed and highway gearing, along with a one-core radiator. Mine was specced out for daily driving, not towing. And it still towed it. No reason your 92 should have been stymied by 5,000 pounds if it was healthy. But it was an automatic, and you said several were put in it, so that explains a great many things.
[quote] When he put 2k into it then the a/c went he was tired of it [/quote] Should have sold it to someone who'd give it a good home instead of condemning that engine to C4C. I'da taken it. Can't say I care about the automatic, I don't and would throw it into a scrapyard regardless of whether or not it worked, but the engine, suspension parts, body panels, trim, electrical stuff, things like that would transfer over to mine happily...and then I could take the carcass and turn it into a home-built SVT Lightning.
I'd start with a built 351W, T56 behind that, 3" drop spindles up front and 6" lowering kit in the back, sway bars the size of tree trunks, aftermarket shocks, scratch-built brake cooling ducts, Mustang rear brakes(lol 8.8" rear), tanneu cover with nascar-style spoiler, roll cage that does double duty by also stiffening the frame up, fiberglass front bodywork, door skins and roof, 1:2 gearbox on the steering shaft to tighten up the steering ratio, maybe play with the power steering a bit to get some feel into it, and I'd toss some supportive racing buckets in. I'd finish the project with 18x9 wheels up front and 18x11 wheels out back, both wrapped in 55 series Pirelli P-Zero or Goodyear Eagle semi-slick track tires, whichever is easier to obtain.
Would definitely be a fun project to do I think.
[quote]I remember it had a leg on the odo just past 85 and he would set cruise with it almost touching it ~ 88mph. Ever understood we were actually hauling It lol.[/QUOTE] Hahaha, I broke my speedo when I laid into it to pass a swerving UPS truck. Those sixes will pull those heavy beasts up to scary speeds. I'd say mine was going about 90 or 95 when I lifted off. I tried the brakes and it got VERY unstable so I just let the engine slow it back down instead. :v:
[editline]10th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;35519170]So my grades are FINALLY good enough for my parents. Me and my dad are going car hunting saturday. jesus, couldn't have taken longer
but what do you guys think of a white mustang?
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2442/3648182545_27a561ed66.jpg[/img]
like that with some Boss stripingand flat black spoiler?[/QUOTE]
I say no. Mustangs may be nice cars, but they're as commonplace as Civics. EVERYONE has one. If you do get one, though, I suggest GT underpinnings, V6 base exterior.
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;35519170]So my grades are FINALLY good enough for my parents. Me and my dad are going car hunting saturday. jesus, couldn't have taken longer
but what do you guys think of a white mustang?
[img]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2442/3648182545_27a561ed66.jpg[/img]
like that with some Boss stripingand flat black spoiler?[/QUOTE]
Daddy bought me a 'Stang. I say no, if you have not ever driven a car, a manual too, don't do it.
I say tell your dad no and get a job. Buy your own first car. You'd appreciate it more than some brand new ass machine that you have a high chance of wrecking. That's exactly what happened to me and I regretted it.
Its not his first car, his parents are fullretard and dont want him to get a real car (see: 1970's/1980's v8 muscle cars)
So they are going to buy him a newer car
[QUOTE=sHiBaN;35520976]
I say tell your dad no and get a job. Buy your own first car. You'd appreciate it more than some brand new ass machine that you have a high chance of wrecking. That's exactly what happened to me and I regretted it.[/QUOTE]
I agree. If buying it with your own money isn't an option, likely given the current economical climate, the same sense of appreciation can be had from asking daddy to buy some sort of old, dead clunker for between 1500 and 2500 dollars, and then removing the 'dead' part of that description using nothing but hand tools, elbow grease and trips to CarQuest. I know I was grinning ear to ear when my engine roared back to life after I replaced the head gasket.
Y'know, not everyone wants to buy a broken car and fix it. You're advising him against a newer vehicle that is going to be with him longer through reliability and instead urging him to buy an old piece of shit that doesn't work just because "it feels better to earn it"? How about feels better when it starts in the morning or when you don't have to push it 10km to home because the folks on Facepunch said it would be a good investment? What kind of advise is this? Get whatever car you want, and honestly, the newer the better. Not everyone is going to crash their cars driving like an idiot. The Mustang, as *commonplace* as it is, is a nice car. So yes get a Mustang. Just don't crash it.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;35521187]Y'know, not everyone wants to buy a broken car and fix it. You're advising him against a newer vehicle that is going to be with him longer through reliability and instead urging him to buy an old piece of shit that doesn't work just because "it feels better to earn it"?[/QUOTE]
If that's what I was suggesting I would have mentioned a $500 price point. In reality if he goes for something in the $1500/$2500 price point the most he'll be doing is routine shit like replacing worn brake parts, new plugs, that sort of thing.
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[QUOTE=Ldesu;35521216]Did anyone ever mention that he should get a broken car and fix it himself?[/QUOTE]
[quote]I agree. If buying it with your own money isn't an option, likely given the current economical climate, the same sense of appreciation can be had from asking daddy to [b]buy some sort of old, dead clunker for between 1500 and 2500 dollars, and then removing the 'dead' part of that description using nothing but hand tools, elbow grease and trips to CarQuest.[/b] I know I was grinning ear to ear when my engine roared back to life after I replaced the head gasket.[/quote]
Best car to get is a new car. More reliable, better gas, and you know that in this economy lower spending in the long run is the key. Now watch all the fartcan kids disagree.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;35521246]Best car to get is a new car. More reliable, better gas, and you know that in this economy lower spending in the long run is the key. Now watch all the fartcan kids disagree.[/QUOTE]
My car is stock and I couldn't disagree more.
Your logic is flawed. You say people should buy a new car because it's cheaper in the long run because you don't have to work on it. Thats bogus. In a few years (or perhaps much sooner if it's driven routinely), something on that car will break, and if the owner is the kind of person you described (someone who buys a car because they can't work on a car) then it's going straight to the mechanics shop. I doubt that it would have payed for itself by then, and it's only going to keep breaking more and more often after that (especially if its a fucking mustang).
If you buy a used car and learn how to maintain it, it's going to be a bit tough at first. However, give it some time and you'll save yourself a lot of money. When the car breaks down again (as all cars inevitably will) you'll know how to fix it on the cheap. People buy new cars because it's the [i]easier[/i] of the two options, not the more economical.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;35521246]Best car to get is a new car. More reliable, better gas, and you know that in this economy lower spending in the long run is the key. Now watch all the fartcan kids disagree.[/QUOTE]
Have fun having mommmy and daddy fix everything for you, us men like to work on our own cars. please kindly get out now.
[QUOTE=Super_Noodle;35521281]My car is stock and I couldn't disagree more.
Your logic is flawed. You say people should buy a new car because it's cheaper in the long run because you don't have to work on it. Thats bogus. In a few years (or perhaps much sooner if it's driven routinely), something on that car will break, and if the owner is the kind of person you described (someone who buys a car because they can't work on a car) then it's going straight to the mechanics shop. I doubt that it would have payed for itself by then, and it's only going to keep breaking more and more often after that (especially if its a fucking mustang).
If you buy a used car and learn how to maintain it, it's going to be a bit tough at first. However, give it some time and you'll save yourself a lot of money. When the car breaks down again (as all cars inevitably will) you'll know how to fix it on the cheap. People buy new cars because it's the [i]easier[/i] of the two options, not the more economical.[/QUOTE]
Your interpretation of my logic is flawed. If you buy a car that's already breaking and maintaining it you're spending more than if you buy a new car that will run flawlessly for potentially a decade before is starts breaking. I'm not saying you have to be completely hurr and take it to a mechanic and not be willing to fix it. I'm just saying that with a new car, it buys you many years of initial serviceless bliss, not to mention better safety features, better interior features, stronger engines, better MPGs, etc etc. that right there is my view on this. Cars from the 90s and so on aren't exactly known to be the best with gas. Given current gas prices that's something that will start having to be put into a buyer's considerations.
Hey it's probably not the best place to take an argument like this based on the demographic so I'll leave it at that as I think I stated my stance on the matter well enough. But I do respect that some people do like working on their cars and actually get a kick if not make a living out of doing it. I'm just saying recommending an older car (usual suspects being an old Civic or a Golf or something) over a new Mustang just seems odd to me.
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;35521343]a new car that will run flawlessly for potentially a decade[/QUOTE]
In what world could this happen? Perhaps the world of "I never drive my car more than 10 miles a week."
Good luck trying to fit in here JDK v2.
Did you miss the post where i explained that he wants a v8 muscle car
we arent suggesting him civics or golfs
Most likely we are trying to get him to hold off on the new stang and wait to get something gudder
[QUOTE=SA Spyder;35521343]Your interpretation of my logic is flawed. If you buy a car that's already breaking and maintaining it you're spending more than if you buy a new car that will run flawlessly for potentially a decade before is starts breaking. I'm not saying you have to be completely hurr and take it to a mechanic and not be willing to fix it. I'm just saying that with a new car, it buys you many years of initial serviceless bliss, not to mention better safety features, better interior features, stronger engines, better MPGs, etc etc. that right there is my view on this. Cars from the 90s and so on aren't exactly known to be the best with gas. Given current gas prices that's something that will start having to be put into a buyer's considerations.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you, I don't see why people are looking down getting a new car from the start. That initial warranty period is worth having. Why in the hell should you work on something, when you can get a new car for free, that is fixed for free? It's absurd to not take that offer.
What is it with this idea on Facepunch that new drivers always wreck their first car? If you wreck your first car, you aren't doing it right. My first car was a 2006 F250 Supercab Longbed, drove it for years hauling Rhinos, RZRs, dirtbikes, going shooting, camping, offroading... And I traded that truck in almost the exact condition I got it. It takes carelessness, stupidity, or bad luck to wreck a vehicle, something a new driver can avoid if they are genuinely careful about driving.
Especially since new drivers usually can't afford the repairs on an older vehicle. I have a car from the 70's, some people here seem to think that's where you should start off, and I wouldn't dare count on it as my daily driver.
[QUOTE=SilentOpp;35521422]I totally agree with you, I don't see why people are looking down getting a new car from the start. That initial warranty period is worth having. Why in the hell should you work on something, when you can get a new car for free, that is fixed for free? It's absurd to not take that offer.
What is it with this idea on Facepunch that new drivers always wreck their first car? If you wreck your first car, you aren't doing it right. My first car was a 2006 F250 Supercab Longbed, drove it for years hauling Rhinos, RZRs, dirtbikes, going shooting, camping, offroading... And I traded that truck in almost the exact condition I got it. It takes carelessness, stupidity, or bad luck to wreck a vehicle, something a new driver can avoid if they are genuinely careful about driving.
Especially since new drivers usually can't afford the repairs on an older vehicle. I have a car from the 70's, some people here seem to think that's where you should start off, and I wouldn't dare count on it as my daily driver.[/QUOTE]
Care to tell me how a car breaking on its own = wrecking a car.
[QUOTE=Super_Noodle;35521399]In what world could this happen? Perhaps the world of "I never drive my car more than 10 miles a week."
Good luck trying to fit in here JDK v2.[/QUOTE]
Maybe not a decade, but are you that oblivious to what he is saying? Why should you buy a car that is had a higher probability of breaking down when you can get a new vehicle with a guarantee that it isn't going to break down, or they fix it? Not to mention the new safety and convenience features, along with newer cars getting inherently better gas mileage than a lot of vehicles from the early 2000's/late 80's.
[QUOTE=Super_Noodle;35521432]Care to tell me how a car breaking on its own = wrecking a car.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understood. One of the arguments against getting a new car for you first car is 'you are going to wreck it'. I say no, there's no reason to assume that.
[QUOTE=Super_Noodle;35521399]In what world could this happen? Perhaps the world of "I never drive my car more than 10 miles a week."
Good luck trying to fit in here JDK v2.[/QUOTE]
Well I had a "94 Plymouth Voyager that got no more attention than oil changes and wiper fluid for over 10 years and it ran amazingly well, everything functional, perfect condition the day we sold it. Dunno if the new owner took care of it or not but we put over 200k on it easily. I myself average 1.5k a month so we'll see how my current car fares.
I don't wanna make enemies; I was just countering the old car suggestion. Although Concur's old muscle car suggestion is pretty cool. But if he's likely to crash a Mustang I'd feel bad putting him behind a classic muscle car. :v:
Can we stop this pointless discussion
Its not his first car
[B][U]ITS NOT HIS FIRST CAR[/U][/B]
He is replacing his FIRST CAR
with something to the tune of a [B]muscle car[/B]
[B]not getting a first car[/B]
[B]getting a new car[/B]
[QUOTE=SilentOpp;35521434]I don't think you understood. One of the arguments against getting a new car for you first car is 'you are going to wreck it'. I say no, there's no reason to assume that.[/QUOTE]
No, I said, it was going to break. Not "the driver is going to wreck it", "the car is going to break".
Break, as in break on its own, not the driver putting into a wall, just the car breaking due to wear.
You're calling me oblivious, yet you can't even read correctly.
[QUOTE=sHiBaN;35520976]Daddy bought me a 'Stang. I say no, if you have not ever driven a car, a manual too, don't do it.
I say tell your dad no and get a job. Buy your own first car. You'd appreciate it more than some brand new ass machine that you have a high chance of wrecking. That's exactly what happened to me and I regretted it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Super_Noodle;35521463]No, I said, it was going to break. Not "the driver is going to wreck it", "the car is going to break".
Break, as in break on its own, not the driver putting into a wall, just the car breaking due to wear.
You're calling me oblivious, yet you can't even read correctly.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I didn't realize you were the only other person in this thread.
[QUOTE=Concur;35521439]Can we stop this pointless discussion
Its not his first car
[B][U]ITS NOT HIS FIRST CAR[/U][/B]
He is replacing his FIRST CAR
with something to the tune of a [B]muscle car[/B]
[B]not getting a first car[/B]
[B]getting a new car[/B][/QUOTE]
Then the mustang is a great choice I think. The new V6 Mustang has a very acceptable amount of power, along with decent looks. Ford warranty is lacking though... He should probably check out some GM and Chrystler alternatives(althought I think the Camaro and Carger/Challenger start off at a much steeper price)...
[B]Edit:[/B]
I take that back. They aren't priced much higher at all...
I like Arizona green tea, Wile driving my car. awwww yeaaaaa
[QUOTE=DPKiller;35521503]I like Arizona green tea, Wile driving my car. awwww yeaaaaa[/QUOTE]
Stewarts root beer
and then 2 cold black cherry stewarts in the center console
Post drinks, thin bitch how you have no cup holders.
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