[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49428246]I am kinda of confuse why is it yelping is it fear or was it so abused that even petting hurts it or both? but anyways this makes me want to get a rescue puppy[/QUOTE]
Dogs can get scared easily, and quickly associate certain actions with certain outcomes. One time one of my dogs pissed on the bed. He was still sitting on it when I found it and I got so mad that I threw him off the bed to the other side of the room and started cleaning. For the next couple of days he would scream whenever I tried to pick him up.
He still does that sometimes.
I feel terrible every time =(
so it was fear,.
Christ, it's going to take a while to get that poor dog's screams out of my head... That's just absolutely heartbreaking. I hope it recovers.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49426418]People who abuse animals are the most infuriating thing I can think of.
Poor god damn dog man, I hope it will recover one day.[/QUOTE]
I doubt it will ever fully recover, it'll always have some kind of personality trait that indicates it was abused. However that still means this dog can be happy and healthy in a loving home :)
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;49429917]I doubt it will ever fully recover, it'll always have some kind of personality trait that indicates it was abused. However that still means this dog can be happy and healthy in a loving home :)[/QUOTE]
It looks young, im sure it will live with some trauma its whole life, but the way it acts from it being pet, to even being pet longer after like 10 seconds gives me hope in the long run it will turn out just fine. He was scared and crying for the first few seconds, but then just broke down and loved it. If it was older id agree, but thankfully it seems only about 2 years old.
Jesus christ I was not expecting this kind of terror
I expected some genuine heartwarming video of a scared dog slowly coming up to someone to be pet
not this...
why can't all dogs be happy
[QUOTE=Clovernoodle;49430599]I expected some genuine heartwarming video of a scared dog slowly coming up to someone to be pet
not this...
why can't all dogs be happy[/QUOTE]
Facebook post in this thread is heartwarming though.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49430647]Facebook post in this thread is heartwarming though.[/QUOTE]
no amount of heart warming can get that noise out of my head
[QUOTE=Clovernoodle;49430658]no amount of heart warming can get that noise out of my head[/QUOTE]
It went from that noise, to what will probably be an entire life of love, look at it that way. Its a young looking dog, it has a really bright future.
So you guys condone slapping a dog on the ears or muzzle for punishment when acting up? Not necessarily hard and definitely not to abuse but just to punish.
Agree or disagree please I'm genuinely curious
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49426883]I read somewhere that this dog was not abused for years but was rather a stray dog who has had no interaction with humans in it's entire life, which would make sense if that is true since there is no visible damage.[/QUOTE]
Feels like a stray would've been agressive, this one was just so terrified of humans it didn't even attack or warn, only cry in fear, makes it more likely that whoever "owned" him just ruined it inside.
[QUOTE=Chaseymusica;49430779]So you guys condone slapping a dog on the ears or muzzle for punishment when acting up? Not necessarily hard and definitely not to abuse but just to punish.
Agree or disagree please I'm genuinely curious[/QUOTE]
Not the ears but a pop on the nose or rump is fine. Never hard enough that it would leave a spot on a person.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49430823]Not the ears but a pop on the nose or rump is fine. Never hard enough that it would leave a spot on a person.[/QUOTE]
Hell I'd even say the nose is off limits
Typically I find when people do that it's a slap to the nose and ears as those are a dogs sensitive places
My brother adopted a dog four years ago that had been abused previously in his life and he was scared to death of people, it was awful to see him so scared all the time.
Now he's like a completely different dog.
[QUOTE=NitronikALT;49430841]Hell I'd even say the nose is off limits[/QUOTE]
Not the nose directly but the top of the snout. It's not a super sensitive place and doesn't hurt but it gets the message across.
[QUOTE=Chaseymusica;49430779]So you guys condone slapping a dog on the ears or muzzle for punishment when acting up? Not necessarily hard and definitely not to abuse but just to punish.
Agree or disagree please I'm genuinely curious[/QUOTE]
You are asking a case by case basis thing. Sometimes giving your dog a little slap, as in little, so it knows "can you settle the fuck down dude" type of slap, can be okay. Not all the time and shit, my cousin did that pretty timidly when his puppy was going to the bathroom in his house, it was more like a push if anything. Honestly, loud voice/tone and a little push is probably the best, could even get away with just a loud voice depending on the dog. Dont like bitch slap your dog haha.
I think back of ears, or scruff of neck is better, not muzzle. Make it so touching your dogs muzzle is comfortable, little kids tend to go for it first and dont want it feeling weird being touched around it for that worst case scenario.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;49427829]What's with the back legs of the dog and the really high pitched shrieking?
If this is right, it sort of reminds me of the case of a girl who was raised in virtual isolation and ended up having the same fucked up legs and high pitched voice as the dog in the video.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding or just stupid?
This video makes me want to get some sort of job in animal rescue, I can't stand to see animals get abused because they never, in any situation deserve it.
[QUOTE=DanTehMan;49428185][t]https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/1915278_745893632210582_8780798001740211002_n.jpg?oh=f54dc84ddc7e837b1c4ecacc6e1b15e1&oe=572185BF[/t]
I checked the woman's facebook page, and the dog seems to be doing really well as of a few days ago.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=gullegull;49426674]don't know if it's possible to embed facebook videos but the dog seems to be doing much better now. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/monica.mitreanu/videos/728950990571513/[/URL][/QUOTE]
The unyielding rage that was building up in me was extinguished thanks to that.
If you'll excuse me I'm going to go hug my dogs.
Although my family isn't much better when they smack the dogs in the ass for pissing/shitting on the floor, chewing furniture, etc. My dad told me never to smack them in the face, only the butt.
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;49429917]I doubt it will ever fully recover, it'll always have some kind of personality trait that indicates it was abused. However that still means this dog can be happy and healthy in a loving home :)[/QUOTE]
The majority of dogs that my family has owned were abused at one point or another. I can confirm this. Most of our dogs have had [i]serious[/i] fear of feet, generally from being kicked. It quite literally takes years before some of them are OK with being nudged, and almost none of them were ever be OK sitting at anyone's feet but immediate family.
Our most recent dog has a permanently shortened leg, even after surgery, and had serious atrophy due to an improperly treated shattered femur. We don't 'know' that she was kicked vs just being hit by a car or something, but she was initially outright terrified of standing in front of anyone without immediate family within eyesight. On that note: physical therapy fucking sucks enough when dealing with adult humans who can rationalize the pain. Try to justify hurting an 8 month old puppy so that she has the flexibility to use both of her back legs properly.
Non abused dogs just behave differently. Our golden retriever would practically throw herself under your legs begging for a hard rub.
[QUOTE=Chaseymusica;49430779]So you guys condone slapping a dog on the ears or muzzle for punishment when acting up? Not necessarily hard and definitely not to abuse but just to punish.
Agree or disagree please I'm genuinely curious[/QUOTE]
Depends on the situation really. We generally do a 1 or 2 finger tap on the bridge of the nose to get them immediately out of trouble. The intent is to startle, not cause any pain beyond a minor discomfort. You just have to make sure that the dog isn't scared of it before doing it (some abuse cases are going to be really touchy, but a brand new puppy is almost always going to be fine). You also want to include other triggers as well. It's a very simple way to teach them not to do things like sticking their noses on the table. Generally you should be combining it with a firm set of phrases that you always deliver in the same tone ie "No" "down" "back off" or something along those lines. As soon as they comply you need to instantly revert to being nice though. A properly trained dog will obey the commands if they do something bad, and then immediately be happy because you reward them for the good behavior. Ultimately you want them to respond to just the phrases the majority of the time without having to resort to anything physical.
In the above example, our 100 pound golden retriever (seriously, that dog could occupy every square inch of floor space) was awful about putting her nose on the table because it was a good height for her. While her previous owners were never abusive, they didn't really train her that well. What we did was to simply tap her on the nose, every time saying "off the table", then give her a treat for sitting, or laying down, or some other behavior thing. It really didn't take very long before she realized that she could just sit near the table and wait for scraps/attention. We never really bothered trying to teach her not to go after stuff that fell off the table though. With a vacuum cleaner like a golden, that's just a lost cause :v:
Same case for when a dog gets way too excited and is jumping around. Bop them to get their attention while firmly saying something along the lines of "down", then give them a good rub for containing themselves. They are happy to see you, and you should be happy to see them, but they need to learn acceptable manners.
[B]TL;DR:[/B] painless/annoyance punishments work, but you must, and I do mean [b]must[/b], followup with positive reinforcement, or they won't learn as much, and might not learn anything. You don't want the dog to be scared, you want to guide them to the point where they have strong enough positive associations with certain behavior that they quite literally don't even [I]think[/I] about doing the thing(s) you don't want them to.
[QUOTE=Chaseymusica;49430779]So you guys condone slapping a dog on the ears or muzzle for punishment when acting up? Not necessarily hard and definitely not to abuse but just to punish.
Agree or disagree please I'm genuinely curious[/QUOTE]
Never physical punishment
man I don't even feel good picking my cat up gently and moving it when it's up in places it shouldn't be. idk how you could do this to anything
idk I don't feel much heartfelt movement because I know that there is and have even seen worse cases. Worse cases where there either isn't a patient person willing to help out or adopt or where the dog is at some point a lost cause and is too far gone from the abuse ladder.
Yeah it's sad that this dog was treated this way to react that way- but look how fast it actually warmed up to her, and how good it's doing in the related facebook video. Of anything it's a really happy thing instead of sad.
Abuse like this makes me wonder what exactly prompts a dog to take either heightened passive and terrified attitudes or ridiculously aggressive ones.
I had a small gruffy dog previously battered thoroughly by my uncle, he commonly tried to lash out at anyone having food or even trying to pet him. I almost lost a good part of my nose when he leapt up and bit right through the cartilage in it, so I had to give him up.
[QUOTE=DJswitch;49432929]Abuse like this makes me wonder what exactly prompts a dog to take either heightened passive and terrified attitudes or ridiculously aggressive ones.
I had a small gruffy dog previously battered thoroughly by my uncle, he commonly tried to lash out at anyone having food or even trying to pet him. I almost lost a good part of my nose when he leapt up and bit right through the cartilage in it, so I had to give him up.[/QUOTE]
Small dogs seem to be way more aggressive if not trained right, atleast in my experience.
i never understood using negative punishment over positive reinforcement
its a lot easier to train a dog to do <x> thing which gets them rewarded than to do <y> thing that gets them punished, plus they love you more and you dont traumatize the shit out of them
I mean it's sad sure but I'm not crying or filled with rage nor am I traumatized by the sound of a dog screaming (but then again I did work in a kennel for awhile)
My cousin had a dog that hated children with a fiery passion. I never learned why but I guess it was because the previous owner had kids that would bully it all the time or something. It really liked me for some reason, I guess I reminded it of someone who was always kind and caring to it.
It snarled at every single small kid that came close to it. Once it bit a kid and this caused my cousin to kill it with a fucking crowbar. I thought everyone was joking when they said he killed it with a crowbar, but he keeps mentioning stuff like "A crowbar's enough" and "A crowbar does the trick!" every time someone mentions killing an animal.
I'm glad that cousin hasn't gotten any new animals.
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