Dog gets petted after years of abuse - General

[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;49433404]My cousin had a dog that hated children with a fiery passion. I never learned why but I guess it was because the previous owner had kids that would bully it all the time or something. It really liked me for some reason, I guess I reminded it of someone who was always kind and caring to it. It snarled at every single small kid that came close to it. Once it bit a kid and this caused my cousin to kill it with a fucking crowbar. I thought everyone was joking when they said he killed it with a crowbar, but he keeps mentioning stuff like "A crowbar's enough" and "A crowbar does the trick!" every time someone mentions killing an animal. I'm glad that cousin hasn't gotten any new animals.[/QUOTE] What the fuck

[QUOTE=Chaseymusica;49430779]So you guys condone slapping a dog on the ears or muzzle for punishment when acting up? Not necessarily hard and definitely not to abuse but just to punish. Agree or disagree please I'm genuinely curious[/QUOTE] No, that is no good. The only physical "Punishment" you should ever do is to grab it by its snout closing its mouth, this is what a bitch does to her pups when they misbehave, it is not painful to the dog but it is definately a signal of "no don't do that" My dad and I figured out that the best way to raise a dog is to positively distract it when it does something wrong, see it eating your shoe? Take it out in the garden and play with it. Works well with children too. You dont get a scared little thing out of it.

I did not expect to cry so early into the year.

[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;49432934]Small dogs seem to be way more aggressive if not trained right, atleast in my experience.[/QUOTE] There's a saying in my family: There's two kinds of dogs. Huntin' dogs and puntin' dogs. Looks like it's 4th and 10. Untrained little dogs are the worst. They have three brain cells and none of them can agree with either of the other two. There are exceptions. I've never met a Scottish Terrier I didn't like, and "pit bulls" are a frequently dumber than a bag of hammers, but in general little dogs are far more likely to be total shitheads.

[QUOTE=Fort83;49426965]I damn well hope you reported that bitch to the police.[/QUOTE] The thing is, dogs are treated like property and if the dog has no extreme lacerations or other injuries you cant really do anything. I noticed she was hurting the dog after we broke up, but still living together.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;49431544]The majority of dogs that my family has owned were abused at one point or another. I can confirm this. Most of our dogs have had [I]serious[/I] fear of feet, generally from being kicked. It quite literally takes years before some of them are OK with being nudged, and almost none of them were ever be OK sitting at anyone's feet but immediate family. Our most recent dog has a permanently shortened leg, even after surgery, and had serious atrophy due to an improperly treated shattered femur. We don't 'know' that she was kicked vs just being hit by a car or something, but she was initially outright terrified of standing in front of anyone without immediate family within eyesight. On that note: physical therapy fucking sucks enough when dealing with adult humans who can rationalize the pain. Try to justify hurting an 8 month old puppy so that she has the flexibility to use both of her back legs properly. Non abused dogs just behave differently. Our golden retriever would practically throw herself under your legs begging for a hard rub. Depends on the situation really. We generally do a 1 or 2 finger tap on the bridge of the nose to get them immediately out of trouble. The intent is to startle, not cause any pain beyond a minor discomfort. You just have to make sure that the dog isn't scared of it before doing it (some abuse cases are going to be really touchy, but a brand new puppy is almost always going to be fine). You also want to include other triggers as well. It's a very simple way to teach them not to do things like sticking their noses on the table. Generally you should be combining it with a firm set of phrases that you always deliver in the same tone ie "No" "down" "back off" or something along those lines. As soon as they comply you need to instantly revert to being nice though. A properly trained dog will obey the commands if they do something bad, and then immediately be happy because you reward them for the good behavior. Ultimately you want them to respond to just the phrases the majority of the time without having to resort to anything physical. In the above example, our 100 pound golden retriever (seriously, that dog could occupy every square inch of floor space) was awful about putting her nose on the table because it was a good height for her. While her previous owners were never abusive, they didn't really train her that well. What we did was to simply tap her on the nose, every time saying "off the table", then give her a treat for sitting, or laying down, or some other behavior thing. It really didn't take very long before she realized that she could just sit near the table and wait for scraps/attention. We never really bothered trying to teach her not to go after stuff that fell off the table though. With a vacuum cleaner like a golden, that's just a lost cause :v: Same case for when a dog gets way too excited and is jumping around. Bop them to get their attention while firmly saying something along the lines of "down", then give them a good rub for containing themselves. They are happy to see you, and you should be happy to see them, but they need to learn acceptable manners. [B]TL;DR:[/B] painless/annoyance punishments work, but you must, and I do mean [B]must[/B], followup with positive reinforcement, or they won't learn as much, and might not learn anything. You don't want the dog to be scared, you want to guide them to the point where they have strong positive enough associations with certain behavior that they quite literally don't even [I]think[/I] about doing the thing(s) you don't want them to.[/QUOTE] With our new dogs we typically give treats or give a good rub and say 'good boy' in a very happy voice which gets them happy when they go eliminate in the right place or behave well. Positive reinforcement is good but when they do something like digging in the backyard or pee on my dad's deck he typically gives a small spank on the rump. It's how he was raised as a kid having a dog, and it seems to work because they still come to him and love him. Although one of our dogs has a bladder problem he hasn't grown out of yet and my dad realized simply being angry won't help since being excited and scared both cause him to pee everywhere so he has to be lovey dovey with that one. :v: And yes, goldens will eat up anything you let out of your sight. 15 years of having two goldens. :v: [QUOTE=Glitchman;49434265]The thing is, dogs are treated like property and if the dog has no extreme lacerations or other injuries you cant really do anything. I noticed she was hurting the dog after we broke up, but still living together.[/QUOTE] Not even animal control? God damn.

Seriously if you abuse your dog or any type of animal..... Fuck you! Really [b]Fuck you[/b]!

Any dog is a good dog

[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49426437]People we used to call psychopaths but now has some very lengthy diagnosis. The same kind of people who abuse children. People who belong in padded cells.[/QUOTE] Lol fuck the padded walls, let them experience the same kind of suffering they created.

[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;49433404]My cousin had a dog that hated children with a fiery passion. I never learned why but I guess it was because the previous owner had kids that would bully it all the time or something. It really liked me for some reason, I guess I reminded it of someone who was always kind and caring to it. It snarled at every single small kid that came close to it. Once it bit a kid and this caused my cousin to kill it with a fucking crowbar. I thought everyone was joking when they said he killed it with a crowbar, but he keeps mentioning stuff like "A crowbar's enough" and "A crowbar does the trick!" every time someone mentions killing an animal. I'm glad that cousin hasn't gotten any new animals.[/QUOTE] uuhh

alright how do i do media tags i got the sequel dog gets abused after years of being petted.flv

[QUOTE=Killstr3aKs;49434653]Lol fuck the padded walls, let them experience the same kind of suffering they created.[/QUOTE] I could go on for years about how I would punish people who do this shit but I decided to be careful because apparently wishing for mutilation and torture of these inane creatures that happen to have two legs, two arms and a face apparently makes you come off as an edgy fuckwad no matter how fucking horrendous said person is. Let's just say that people who abuse animals and children make me wish that hell was a thing.

You know those things that, if you think about them too hard you'll get instantly depressed? Like the fact that cats and dogs worldwide are suffering under abhorrent conditions caused entirely by cruel people on a daily basis? Yeah. Glad to see that this dog, at least, is on track to living a happy life from now on.

[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;49434590]Any dog is a good dog[/QUOTE] Even these dogs?? [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=abc_1442024973[/url] [editline]2nd January 2016[/editline] Like I don't got anything against dogs, I own a dog too but saying "Every dog is a good dog" is a bit of a stretch. And back when I was 17 working at my mates parent's kennel for a bit you pick up on that some dogs just have a shit personality.

[QUOTE=Slim Charles;49436726]Even these dogs?? [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=abc_1442024973[/url] [editline]2nd January 2016[/editline] Like I don't got anything against dogs, I own a dog too but saying "Every dog is a good dog" is a bit of a stretch. And back when I was 17 working at my mates parent's kennel for a bit you pick up on that some dogs just have a shit personality.[/QUOTE] No doubt it was the dogs upbringing that caused that

This thread has me in tears Reminds me of my first dog, his previous owner was a real dick. Didn't feed him much, was an asshole, had too many dogs to care for. I think he was house trained at some point, but he would mess in the house out of spite from the stories I heard. When we started taking care of him though, he was happy all the time. Very loving, and very playful. He played fetch like it was his duty, and he would never mess in our house even if it pained him. I'm very happy to have given him so much comfort even to the end.

[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;49436788]No doubt it was the dogs upbringing that caused that[/QUOTE] Everything that's an asshole, humans included, are that way because of their upbringing. Doesn't mean it isn't a dick.

dog was having a panic attack and the lady was dumb for cornering it like that and getting in its face that wasnt helping anything.

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49437282]dog was having a panic attack and the lady was dumb for cornering it like that and getting in its face that wasnt helping anything.[/QUOTE] What is she supposed to do? You can't really teach it how to love and trust again if you don't do anything.

[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;49433404]My cousin had a dog that hated children with a fiery passion. I never learned why but I guess it was because the previous owner had kids that would bully it all the time or something. It really liked me for some reason, I guess I reminded it of someone who was always kind and caring to it. It snarled at every single small kid that came close to it. Once it bit a kid and this caused my cousin to kill it with a fucking crowbar. I thought everyone was joking when they said he killed it with a crowbar, but he keeps mentioning stuff like "A crowbar's enough" and "A crowbar does the trick!" every time someone mentions killing an animal. I'm glad that cousin hasn't gotten any new animals.[/QUOTE] what the [I][B][U]fuck[/U][/B][/I]

[QUOTE=Rebi;49436871]Everything that's an asshole, humans included, are that way because of their upbringing. Doesn't mean it isn't a dick.[/QUOTE] Comparing the mental capacity of a dog and a human is wrong, why would you blame the dog for getting terrible behavioural and mental conditioning as it grew up? Unlike a person a dog can't really change its environment as the owner controls that

[QUOTE=revan740;49426422]That was incredibly heartbreaking. I can't imagine how anyone could hurt a dog, let alone anything, to an extent to cause this kind of fear.[/QUOTE] She even seems relatively fine. There are some so fucked up people out there. [editline]2nd January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Nautsabes;49437282]dog was having a panic attack and the lady was dumb for cornering it like that and getting in its face that wasnt helping anything.[/QUOTE] What do you know about treating mistreated dogs?

[QUOTE=Novangel;49438305]...a dog can't really change its environment as the owner controls that[/QUOTE] Can't you say the same about a kid and his parents though? [editline]2nd January 2016[/editline] This video killed me on the inside jesus that poor thing

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;49438455]She even seems relatively fine. There are some so fucked up people out there. [editline]2nd January 2016[/editline] What do you know about treating mistreated dogs?[/QUOTE] My girlfriend is a veterinarian and watched the video as well and said as much.

[QUOTE=Rebi;49436871]Everything that's an asshole, humans included, are that way because of their upbringing. Doesn't mean it isn't a dick.[/QUOTE] Yeah but a dog doesn't even have the ability to seek out resources/therapy or help even if it wanted to. A dog is much more helpless and unable to escape a bad environment

[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;49442334]Yeah but a dog doesn't even have the ability to seek out resources/therapy or help even if it wanted to. A dog is much more helpless and unable to escape a bad environment[/QUOTE] Cause it's within your average rural African or Afghani kids capability to seek therapy and move to Norway or whatever.

[QUOTE=Chaseymusica;49430779]So you guys condone slapping a dog on the ears or muzzle for punishment when acting up? Not necessarily hard and definitely not to abuse but just to punish. Agree or disagree please I'm genuinely curious[/QUOTE] these days it's been proven so many times that positive reinforcement is literally the best way to treat animals and people so hitting or using pain is super unneeded and cruel

2 days later and I still have that sound stuck in my head, I had no idea dogs can make such a sound.

[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;49436788]No doubt it was the dogs upbringing that caused that[/QUOTE] I mean, I really do agree with you. But like humans, some dogs can be born with mental issues and just be fucking crazy and "bad" no matter what the upbringing, probably worse for dogs since it has 0 mental healthcare, I mean humans is laughable but non-existent for animals. Also, those were pitbulls, a breed that is im pretty sure like scientifically more aggressive due to genes.(before anyone talks for me, I am not one of those people who think pitbulls should be illegal, just that they shouldnt let any idiot own one, same goes for all pets honestly) [editline]2nd January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Levithan;49442758]these days it's been proven so many times that positive reinforcement is literally the best way to treat animals and people so hitting or using pain is super unneeded and cruel[/QUOTE] I agree with pain/hitting, that shits just wrong and your right, its proven its not as good as positive. Absolutely fuck people like Ceaser on Dog Whisperer who does everything fucking wrong training dogs. But I hold my view pushing/light slap(like give the back of your head a little slap, you feel nothing, I did less than that to my dog at the time) but generally only when its young/puppy and pretty much only involving bathroom/furniture, most bathroom. Id do negative at first if I caught them inside(unless I found them curled up giving puppy eyes all guilty because dogs fucking know they did something wrong) like push and make my voice deep/loud, not a yell, but drastically different. Dog quickly learned Cheese+love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>yell+push when pissing inside vs outside. That said, id never try being physical with an adult/mature dog, they are generally past the point of dealing with that shit and can be very bad. You shouldnt have to be physical with a dog than maybe more than a few months and thats only if its new to you. If you have to always be physical than something is clearly fucking wrong with you, and probably your dog, but mostly you and probably caused the problems for your dog.

holy shit dont get me going on the dog whisperer guy, friggin victorian-era beliefs about how dogs work need to be thrown the fuck ouuuut