Krav Maga - Just when you thought Israel couldn't get anymore bad ass. - General

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27777604]The one thing people should realize is that the firearm/knife disarming maneuvers aren't very useful at all in real life situations. There's a reason why the disarms they do are all choreographed. Countless stories have arisen from many different self-defense martial arts, including Krav Maga, that talked about the knife disarming they do and how it is ineffective. Stories about how a kid with no experience is given a plastic knife with some kind of ink on it that rubs off and is told to take stabs at the most experienced masters. The kid was able to hit the guy in fatal spots pretty much every time. Krav Maga is a great unarmed combat technique. In hand to hand combat, you could wreck someone's shit with Krav Maga and/or a handful of other martial arts. However, don't be suckered in by the appeal of being able to turn someone's knife/gun around on them in the blink of an eye, things just don't happen like that. It is taught to armies and special forces teams in order to promote extreme fitness and tactical awareness during combat (as Krav Maga emphasizes using the environment to your advantage), not so they can go around killing armed enemies with their bare hands.[/QUOTE] When I trained it more than I do now(Don't really have the time anymore, and not really much interest in it to start with due to all the karate etc movies) we trained disarming this way, no choreographing, and like when you successfully disarm someone, then you take over the gun/knife, competition breeds skill.

*Watches the videos* *everybody is kicking each other in the balls* *What a pussy way of 'fighting' thinks to self*

[QUOTE=aydin690;27779436]*Watches the videos* *everybody is kicking each other in the balls* *What a pussy way of 'fighting' thinks to self*[/QUOTE] more like effective and realistic way of fighting

Its not about looking like a fairy when you fight like Asian martial arts. Its about fucking up your opponent. Also do you really think ANY Asian martial art would actually work in a combat situation? While you are flailing around doing "Shitting panther, jizzing zebra" I'll just shoot you.

[QUOTE=Virtanen;27779465]more like effective and realistic way of fighting[/QUOTE] No man deserves to be kicked in the balls, never ever. [editline]31st January 2011[/editline] It's just not cool.

Yes, they do. Its so that if your enemy escapes he can't breed more enemies.

[QUOTE=aydin690;27779523]No man deserves to be kicked in the balls, never ever. [editline]31st January 2011[/editline] It's just not cool.[/QUOTE] There is no honor in combat, only winning, and losing.

Another term for it is Jewjitsu :eng101:

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;27779610]Another term for it is Jewjitsu :eng101:[/QUOTE] ...From this day on, I will now call it that :v:

But can Krav Maga fight gas or fire? I think not :smug:

I'm gonna learn that when I get enlisted, shit's gonna be sweet.

Krav Maga is one of the few practical martial arts.

Sounds silly

[QUOTE=Sasasing;27779756]But can Krav Maga fight gas or fire? I think not :smug:[/QUOTE] Fire would just make it worse, you'd turn a maniac hell belt on gouging your eyeballs out with his thumbs into a burning maniac hell belt on gouging your eyeballs out with his thumbs :v:

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27779106]To all those who say they weren't aware that Israel was badass: When Israel first became a country, every Muslim country in the middle east (except Saudi Arabia) immediately declared war on them. In addition to several professional armies, a militia was formed of hundreds of thousands of Arabs trying to kill the Jews. Israel didn't have an army, they took on 6 professional armies on by themselves, and kicked all their asses.[/QUOTE] And then we got our asses handed to us on october 6 1973

Thats because the Muslim bastards in Egypt and Syria attacked Israel on a Jewish high holiday. Israel should nuke Egypt and Syria during Ede and see how they fair.

[QUOTE=RaptorRed;27779854]And then we got our asses handed to us on october 6 1973[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War[/url] not really it's not really "asses handed to you" when you're attacked on basically Christmas with armies 4x your size, and you still get around 2k dead, and they get around 8 - 18k dead

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27779969]Thats because the Muslim bastards in Egypt and Syria attacked Israel on a Jewish high holiday. [/QUOTE] I know. [quote=Uberman77883]Israel should nuke Egypt and Syria during Ede and see how they fair.[/quote] That sounds too risky.

Fine, then just carpet bomb a major civilian center or something. They would do the same to you.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27777604]The one thing people should realize is that the firearm/knife disarming maneuvers aren't very useful at all in real life situations. There's a reason why the disarms they do are all choreographed. Countless stories have arisen from many different self-defense martial arts, including Krav Maga, that talked about the knife disarming they do and how it is ineffective. Stories about how a kid with no experience is given a plastic knife with some kind of ink on it that rubs off and is told to take stabs at the most experienced masters. The kid was able to hit the guy in fatal spots pretty much every time. Krav Maga is a great unarmed combat technique. In hand to hand combat, you could wreck someone's shit with Krav Maga and/or a handful of other martial arts. However, don't be suckered in by the appeal of being able to turn someone's knife/gun around on them in the blink of an eye, things just don't happen like that. It is taught to armies and special forces teams in order to promote extreme fitness and tactical awareness during combat (as Krav Maga emphasizes using the environment to your advantage), not so they can go around killing armed enemies with their bare hands.[/QUOTE] As acclaimed Self Defense Author Geoff Thompson wrote, there's only one working knife defense that doesn't involve you getting cut: Punch the fucker square in the jaw BEFORE he pulls the knife. Anything else is gambling with you life. [editline]31st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;27779802]Krav Maga is one of the few practical martial arts.[/QUOTE] It's also one of the most McDojo-ised. Anything that gives out "qualifications to teach" from a two week course is full of shit. The only guaranteed real Krav Maga you'd have to go to Israel for. And even then, Heh.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27780048]Fine, then just carpet bomb a major civilian center or something. They would do the same to you.[/QUOTE] :irony:

Well that what to me krav maga became infamous for kicking or punching a guy in the balls. I like it because it has some quick judo throws.

Clearly it's not badass as it was designed to oppress the Palestinian people WAH

[QUOTE=Crimor;27779330]When I trained it more than I do now(Don't really have the time anymore, and not really much interest in it to start with due to all the karate etc movies) we trained disarming this way, no choreographing, and like when you successfully disarm someone, then you take over the gun/knife, competition breeds skill.[/QUOTE] 10 bucks said it was a case of going "Okay, stab like this" and then you disarming the guy when he's trying to stab you a certain way. Did you disarm dudes as they flailed the knife around in random motions, just trying to cut you anywhere? I seriously doubt you did, as the best practitioners of martial arts that revolve around disarming attackers with knives couldn't reliably stop someone doing that.

It doesn't look like anything specific, I don't see form, it just looks like average fighting.

It's really exaggerated in videos. Makes it look like you can knock someone off their feet with a simple inside leg kick and/or continuously knee/hit someone without them trying to defend themselves. It's like any other practical martial art. If you're going up against someone that has no clue what they're doing, sure, you'll whoop their ass. The second anyone with a level of know-how steps in front of you, though, you're going to be in for one hell of a fight. If someone is looking to learn a martial art for self-defense, grappling based arts would actually be the way to go. The reason for this is that anyone can throw a punch, regardless of their skill level. You can be the best trained martial artist and you'd still be at risk of getting knocked out from a wild punch. However, this isn't the case on the ground. If you know what you are doing and the other person doesn't, they are completely fucked. You will have complete dominance over them, they won't be able to do any kind of real damage to you other than some scratches and whatnot. My dad is a large, muscular man with about 30 pounds on me. He played college football and almost went pro. Would I be able to stand and trade in a fistfight with him, despite being able to throw some mean ass kicks? Maybe. Maybe not. However, get the fight on the ground and I'll win every time. Every time we wrestle and whatnot now, putting him in chokes/submissions is like doing it to a child, since he has no idea what is going on until something starts to hurt. Especially if you learn submissions from non-dominant positions. Nobody expects to be arm-barred while they have your back and are going for a basic rear naked choke. Jiu-Jitsu, Sambo, and other grappling arts are amazing self-defense arts, especially if you do Judo with them, since Judo will give you the means to take any man down to the ground.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27781640]It's really exaggerated in videos. Makes it look like you can knock someone off their feet with a simple inside leg kick and/or continuously knee/hit someone without them trying to defend themselves. It's like any other practical martial art. If you're going up against someone that has no clue what they're doing, sure, you'll whoop their ass. The second anyone with a level of know-how steps in front of you, though, you're going to be in for one hell of a fight. If someone is looking to learn a martial art for self-defense, grappling based arts would actually be the way to go. The reason for this is that anyone can throw a punch, regardless of their skill level. You can be the best trained martial artist and you'd still be at risk of getting knocked out from a wild punch. However, this isn't the case on the ground. If you know what you are doing and the other person doesn't, they are completely fucked. You will have complete dominance over them, they won't be able to do any kind of real damage to you other than some scratches and whatnot. My dad is a large, muscular man with about 30 pounds on me. He played college football and almost went pro. Would I be able to stand and trade in a fistfight with him, despite being able to throw some mean ass kicks? Maybe. Maybe not. However, get the fight on the ground and I'll win every time. Every time we wrestle and whatnot now, putting him in chokes/submissions is like doing it to a child, since he has no idea what is going on until something starts to hurt. Especially if you learn submissions from non-dominant positions. Nobody expects to be arm-barred while they have your back and are going for a basic rear naked choke. Jiu-Jitsu, Sambo, and other grappling arts are amazing self-defense arts, especially if you do Judo with them, since Judo will give you the means to take any man down to the ground.[/QUOTE] I'd agree with you with one-on-one situations. But going to the ground is not always your best option. In a bar fight for example, you never know if the guy has buddies waiting to see if things go south. So while you may have him subdued in an arm-bar, two other guys are going to start kicking you in the head. You're better off staying on your feet and keep moving towards an exit or a more advantageous position. Don't get me wrong, ground work is extremely important especially since most brawls end up on the ground pretty quickly. But going there on purpose is a big no-no.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27781155]10 bucks said it was a case of going "Okay, stab like this" and then you disarming the guy when he's trying to stab you a certain way. Did you disarm dudes as they flailed the knife around in random motions, just trying to cut you anywhere? I seriously doubt you did, as the best practitioners of martial arts that revolve around disarming attackers with knives couldn't reliably stop someone doing that.[/QUOTE] "Okay stab like this" is choreographing, did you even read my whole post? And flailing will never get any decent damage on an enemy(Surface damage if clothes doesn't block it), if you know that the enemy knows how to use a knife, it gets a bit easier to read them, since they'll most likely only go for a few specific areas, with a ten yearold, he most likely knows nothing of knife combat, so would be much harder to read. Just like you know I'll most likely hit you in the neck, solar plexus, kidneys, nuts, etc to get a window where I can go for more vital spots, someone that knows what they're doing with a knife will most likely go for the softer areas with larger veins and less muscle and bone.

The average person with a knife doesn't go for major areas. They just slice up anything that gets within range. If you stick your hand out to grab their wrist, they're going to move to slice that up, they aren't going to just let you grab them. Also, real people thrash about when they get grabbed, they don't enter a state of motionlessness as nearly every martial art that involves wrist control seems to portray. Grab a dude's wrist when he has a knife and he's simply going to charge forward pushing it into you or rip his arm out of there as hard as he can, which is going to slice something on you up pretty well. [quote]I'd agree with you with one-on-one situations. But going to the ground is not always your best option. In a bar fight for example, you never know if the guy has buddies waiting to see if things go south. So while you may have him subdued in an arm-bar, two other guys are going to start kicking you in the head. You're better off staying on your feet and keep moving towards an exit or a more advantageous position. Don't get me wrong, ground work is extremely important especially since most brawls end up on the ground pretty quickly. But going there on purpose is a big no-no.[/quote] Of course, going to the ground in a situation where you have multiple guys to deal with isn't a good idea. There's definitely nothing wrong with taking a fight to the ground on purpose in a one-on-one situation, though. Also, it's never a good idea to put all of your eggs in one basket, but if you don't have the time to learn general MMA, you'd probably be better of focusing on ground work than something like TKD. Muay Thai is definitely one of the best, if not the very best, martial art for self-defense when it comes down to standup fighting.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27778411]It has elements of Muay Thai, specifically combinations involving the knee, such as when an opponent throws the basic 1-2 combination (jab, followed by a straight) in which you deflect the first strike, grab the wrist of the second as you deflect it and pull them toward you as you drive your knee into their chest/stomach. What I can't believe is how people watch videos of Krav Maga and thing it's the most amazingly awesome shit in the world despite most videos being obviously choreographed. I'd like to see a video where a guy legitimately defends himself from armed attackers that aren't doing predetermined attacks.[/QUOTE] you know absolutely nothing about muay thai