Krav Maga - Just when you thought Israel couldn't get anymore bad ass. - General

Who the hell grabs the arm with the knife and doesn't move to the side? :downs:, like move your body to the left if you grab the left arm with your right, etc, allows you to get out of the way of the knife, and makes it harder for him to punch you, while you have a nice clear shot of his face, especially his eyes, or to go into a grab and break his arm/twist his arm behind his back. Or do like one of my friends did, grab a store sign(Those foldable A ones) and start swinging that around, a hit to the head with that and you're out cold, was fucking hilarious to watch, one got hit and the like 3 other people ran like fuck, why they thought it was a good idea to mess with a 2 meter high carpenter I'll never know, I wanted to help him, but he didn't really need it, and didn't feel like becoming collateral to that sign :v: Quick question maverick, what martial arts have you practiced, and for how long, you seem to know what you're talking about in most aspects. Though I agree, never get on the ground with someone outside a ring/mat/whatever, you don't know if he has friends nearby. One thing I hate about most thugs though(probably the most common way you'd get in a fight outside pissing off a drunk guy in a bar or something), you should fear combat, and never underestimate your opponent, never think you have the upper hand. I always try to see if I can talk myself out of it, it's better to avoid fights.

Best martial art is mixed martial art. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=MaverickIB;27785480]The average person with a knife doesn't go for major areas. They just slice up anything that gets within range. If you stick your hand out to grab their wrist, they're going to move to slice that up, they aren't going to just let you grab them. Also, real people thrash about when they get grabbed, they don't enter a state of motionlessness as nearly every martial art that involves wrist control seems to portray. Grab a dude's wrist when he has a knife and he's simply going to charge forward pushing it into you or rip his arm out of there as hard as he can, which is going to slice something on you up pretty well.[/QUOTE] This, also. How effective a martial art is is impossible to show in demonstrations because they're pretty much all scripted, and if they aren't the defender is already in battle mode. The attackers aren't actually trying to do any damage, they're being the bad guys to make the good guy look good. That's why whenever I do sparring, I always try to get myself thinking "I'm trying to fuck this person up" not "I'm sparring"

The thing is, the dude isn't going to just keep going in the direction he's going when you move out of the way. He's going to course correct, and most guys don't throw themselves into attacks to the point where they don't have a stable base to change direction on. He could also spin/thrash out of it much faster than you could break his arm. I do general MMA. Muay Thai, Judo, BJJ, and boxing. Been doing BJJ, Judo, and Muay Thai for a little while now, but I've been boxing for quite some time. Learned a lot about fighting in the street during high school, being one of the only kids that looks white in a predominantly Mexican school filled with gang members made me learn how to handle engagements quickly. I just advocate ground fighting because it has already ended an engagement extremely fast for me. Some dude at a party got all pissy at me and put his hands up. I delivered an outside leg kick which prompted him to tackle me, since he didn't want any of that shit. I sprawled and put him in a darce choke (one of my favorites, since it was literally the first choke I learned) which put him to sleep in a matter of seconds. Of course, avoiding fights is always the best thing to do. I'll run before I fight, especially if the other guy has a weapon. People simply aren't as predictable as one might think. In a fist fight, you can afford some mistakes. A few punches get through and you're still fine. If the other guy has a knife, you fuck up once and it's all over for you. The massive adrenaline dump you get will make your technique sloppy, something you can't afford in a real engagement with a knife.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27780048]Fine, then just carpet bomb a major civilian center or something. They would do the same to you.[/QUOTE] "Hey let's bomb innocent civilians with absolutely no reason at all, oh and let's also blame the actions of the government/military on the civilians who had little to no say in the actions." You have to be the dumbest, most ignorant person I've seen of facepunch yet. I don't think I've read anybody say that somebody should bomb a major civilian center.

[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27779969]Israel should nuke Egypt and Syria during Ede and see how they fair.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Uberman77883;27780048]Fine, then just carpet bomb a major civilian center or something. They would do the same to you.[/QUOTE] Just stop.

[QUOTE=aydin690;27779436]*Watches the videos* *everybody is kicking each other in the balls* *What a pussy way of 'fighting' thinks to self*[/QUOTE] Your honor or your life. [editline]31st January 2011[/editline] But yeah it's kinda of a brutal, I guess you could say rough way of fighting. Seems somewhat effective. Kneeing someone in the balls and dropping your elbow on their back does not seem very "elegant".

[QUOTE=aydin690;27779523]No man deserves to be kicked in the balls, never ever. [editline]31st January 2011[/editline] It's just not cool.[/QUOTE] If it saves your life it is. If someone would try to come at me and I would kick him in the nuts, I would kick him again and again and again and again so that he can't ever have babies. Gene pool cleansed.

[QUOTE=Hullu V3;27778601]Meanwhile in Russia the great martial arts class is taking place. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5f21194RG0&feature=related[/media][/QUOTE] That's just the begginers class, you then graduate onto this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkfJoOsldEg[/media]

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27787747]That's just the begginers class, you then graduate onto this: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkfJoOsldEg[/media][/QUOTE] By the beard of Odin, that man is (kind of) a rl Zangief! :wtc:

Just read about Mikhail Ryabko (the guy sitting down on that bench), 34 year Spetsnaz veteran after joining at the age of 15.

Lmao, Systema is a scam. Doesn't work. At all.

Except, it isn't a scam. Looks a lot that way but actually uses physical sciences (biomechanics etc) to use the attackers own natural body actions, reflexes and momentum against them.

[QUOTE=Hullu V3;27778601]Meanwhile in Russia the great martial arts class is taking place. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5f21194RG0&feature=related[/media][/QUOTE] Now I can't stop letting my fist fall down my lap, like they do in that vid :v:

Um, no. It is a scam. The bullshido forums don't seem to be working right now, but when they work again, there's a big thread that thoroughly breaks down Systema and how it is a giant scam. The demostration videos are complete hoaxes, the guys being practiced on came out and said they were acting. The main guy behind it has no real combat experience, despite saying he was a cage fighter. Hell, people have even gone to Systema gyms and have said it is a giant joke. Virtually none of the attacks work in actual combat situations. People have invited Systema instructors to go to their gyms and demonstrate and the results were pretty much the same, complete bullshit. A lot of the guys got hurt, actually, because the attacks they do aren't safe for you in general, like trying to hit spots with your fingers and whatnot. The only pro Systema has going for it is the same thing other martial arts have: It keeps you in shape. Trying to use it an [B]any[/B] situation other than practicing with another Systema guy will leave you in pretty bad shape. [URL]http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36200[/URL] (like I said, it's not working right now, but it should be again sometime soon) Also, Russian SF do not do Systema, that is a completely made up claim. Russian SF do Sambo.

^ :frog: [QUOTE=RayvenQ;27788019]Just read about Mikhail Ryabko (the guy sitting down on that bench), 34 year Spetsnaz veteran after joining at the age of 15.[/QUOTE] Wow... he IS a real-life Zangief EDIT: Maverick, have you tried [url=http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LAIUMklBt9sJ:www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D36200+http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D36200&cd=1&hl=es&ct=clnk&client=opera&source=www.google.com]Google Cache[/url]? :eng101:

I’m currently undecided on which is more effective and better, Spetsnaz or Krav Maga. Though Spetsnaz does look pretty powerful imo.

cool, I'm from Israel :O any problems?

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;27789200]cool, I'm from Israel :O any problems?[/QUOTE] Nope, nothing wrong with being Israeli at all. It's just Israel itself.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27789287]Nope, nothing wrong with being Israeli at all. It's just Israel itself.[/QUOTE] Israel is fine. its 5 million Jews, 2 million Arab citizens, and outside of it there is "plastinians" which are Arabs. jews are only 12 million in the world, not all support Israel. the muslims are more than billion, they control most of the oil in the world and they influence you, the world wide media, the internet.. and you Europeans... think they say it's true. it's already fucking crazy, the news channels here are "left-wing".. supporting arabs without showing it. all of Israel's media is controlled by the left-wing. And the U.N. is controlled by muslims... it's almost impossible, the arabs and the smolanim(left-wing israeli) organizations, are creating clashes all the time.. bringing cameras, paying kids to throw stones at israelis. it's just sucks! and of course when israel has done peace agreements over the years, it became smaller, because of giving up territories. about Gaza. in 2005 Israel gave "FREEDOM" bullshit to gaza. so they had elections and they voted for hamas. Hamas is terrorist organization which started on 1989 by Iranian fund. exploding busses, going to kill our citizens with guns, raping.. so since they got control over Gaza, they have been firing rockets on our cities from there. but Gaza isn't hungry, they got malls, tourism.. luxury Mercedes cars. the media is lying to you, and me. it's crazy! AND Actually the name "palestine" originally came from Rome occupiers that came 2000 years ago to Land of Israel and exiled us, they decided to name it like this after they killed everyone and exiled small group of jews out. Just don't look for related stuff about Israel in wikipedia! Israeli left-wing activists posting fake maps with their own agenda in it. this one is true and current: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Is-wb-gs-gh_v3.png[/url]

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27788147]Except, it isn't a scam. Looks a lot that way but actually uses physical sciences (biomechanics etc) to use the attackers own natural body actions, reflexes and momentum against them.[/QUOTE] Systema should be a theatrical act because it's basically acting. In the videos that is. In the real world it's just a way to take money from the dumb.

about krav maga, it's fucking great to have that. but in your europeans countries you probably have untrained troops that SURRENDER in protests. and one day will come and your people will attack within.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27788074]Lmao, Systema is a scam. Doesn't work. At all.[/QUOTE] Dude don't bother. I've tried to explain this many times now. If they want to live in the fantasy world, let them. I hear it's a nice place when you don't have to face grim realities. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lyoko2;27789516]about krav maga, it's fucking great to have that. but in your europeans countries you probably have untrained troops that SURRENDER in protests. and one they will come and your people will attack within.[/QUOTE] HAhahaaha. Okay hero.

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;27789516]about krav maga, it's fucking great to have that. but in your europeans countries you probably have untrained troops that SURRENDER in protests. and one day will come and your people will attack within.[/QUOTE] What are you on about Europe is stable.

Israel was never badass.

You people think THAT'S badass? Then what is this? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gabOzuSi7Ig[/media]

[QUOTE=Hullu V3;27790117]You people think THAT'S badass? Then what is this? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gabOzuSi7Ig[/media][/QUOTE] its not israel [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lonestriper;27790066]What are you on about Europe is stable.[/QUOTE] If I'll say who is ruining it, you will say I'm racist

[QUOTE=Lyoko2;27790168]its not israel[/QUOTE] True, it's Romania and it's way more badass.

[QUOTE=RaptorRed;27779854]And then we got our asses handed to us on october 6 1973[/QUOTE] Considering nearly all of our army was away, we did pretty damn well... Especially at the tank battles of the Golan heights, shit was like 300, but with tanks. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lyoko2;27789461]Israel is fine. its 5 million Jews, 2 million Arab citizens, and outside of it there is "plastinians" which are Arabs. jews are only 12 million in the world, not all support Israel. the muslims are more than billion, they control most of the oil in the world and they influence you, the world wide media, the internet.. and you Europeans... think they say it's true. it's already fucking crazy, the news channels here are "left-wing".. supporting arabs without showing it. all of Israel's media is controlled by the left-wing. And the U.N. is controlled by muslims... it's almost impossible, the arabs and the smolanim(left-wing israeli) organizations, are creating clashes all the time.. bringing cameras, paying kids to throw stones at israelis. it's just sucks! and of course when israel has done peace agreements over the years, it became smaller, because of giving up territories. about Gaza. in 2005 Israel gave "FREEDOM" bullshit to gaza. so they had elections and they voted for hamas. Hamas is terrorist organization which started on 1989 by Iranian fund. exploding busses, going to kill our citizens with guns, raping.. so since they got control over Gaza, they have been firing rockets on our cities from there. but Gaza isn't hungry, they got malls, tourism.. luxury Mercedes cars. the media is lying to you, and me. it's crazy! AND Actually the name "palestine" originally came from Rome occupiers that came 2000 years ago to Land of Israel and exiled us, they decided to name it like this after they killed everyone and exiled small group of jews out. Just don't look for related stuff about Israel in wikipedia! Israeli left-wing activists posting fake maps with their own agenda in it. this one is true and current: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Is-wb-gs-gh_v3.png[/url][/QUOTE] OK.... what?

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;27789546]Dude don't bother. I've tried to explain this many times now. If they want to live in the fantasy world, let them. I hear it's a nice place when you don't have to face grim realities. [/QUOTE] The thing is, people think Systema is all badass when it really makes no logical sense. If Systema was a legitimate martial art and you could incapacitate people with a few touches, you'd see MMA fighters using it. There isn't a single UFC fighter that uses Systema. There isn't a single video or even report of a guy using Systema to defeat a legitimate attacker in an uncontrolled environment. People say the Russian SF use it, which doesn't make sense either. Military and SWAT-esque groups do not train in martial arts that focus on striking. No SF unit around the world defeats enemies by punching or kicking them, since you can't exactly do damage to someone wearing body armor with a punch. That is why military teams train in grappling based arts like Combat Sambo. Using leverage to launch someone onto their head, using all of their equipment as an aid in breaking their neck, is far more effective than striking in a real combat situation.

This song came to mind when I read this thread. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REVl4skqqUg[/media]