you know, I was thinking about this
and it's not like the "nerds" are these nice, misunderstood people. i've met an equal amount of dickish nerds and dickish jocks. the nerds think of the jocks as unintellegent, conforming dullards and the jocks think of nerds as anti-social, strange acne covered "fags". it's really just each group generalizing eachother.
honestly, if video gaming and coding and reading manga became the cool thing to do, and sports became the nerdy thing to do, then i really don't the the social hierarchy would be any different
[QUOTE=macdoo999;32187445]Get him railworks and all DLC.[/QUOTE]
Model trains are cheaper than railworks dlc.
[QUOTE=OreoExtremist;32186236]There is a kid who goes to the school i go to. He has a huge passion for trains. Like Locomotives and such. Well, he is also autistic, not bad enough where he is severely crippled by it or anything, just a little awkward. Well, people make fun of him, but not for being Autistic, but being into Trains.
I don't understand why, its a perfectly legitimate hobby with a huge market.
[img]http://trainsoscaledepot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/model-train-set-101410.jpg[/img]
This kid isn't one of the, preach his hobby to the world and talk to everybody about it, he is really shy and quiet. I would talk to him throughout middle school because he was near me in the Alphabet and we got seated together a lot.
What i don't understand, is why the kids who are obsessed with sports and who watch sports center and memorize statistics and come to school and talk about numbers of a basketball game or something, kids who literally OBSESS over sports are not made fun of at all.
Why is it a kid who wants to become a train conductor is made fun of when his dream is a realistic dream but a bunch of fat, talentless kids who are obsessed with sports that wanna be Lebron James are more socially acceptable? I want to join the military, and am going to a technical college next year to become a gunsmith, and I said that and people didn't understand why i wouldn't go to a 4 year university to get a degree in something I'm not interested in.
People should be OK with others who are pursuing their dreams and aspiration instead of judging them because they didn't watch a football game on Sunday or attend the schools baseball tournament. I dont have a problem with people who are really into sports, i was when i was younger but i just got into other things, i dont understand why people who are really into sports, are always so judging and why Schools are basically split into Sports and Non Sports players.[/QUOTE]
Wow.
You just described my friend whom I've known since kindergarten. He isn't autistic, but he spends his time working on trains on the railway down here. He loves trains. He's pretty much obsessed with them. He gets a lot of shit for it.
I feel really bad for him, but I can't remember the last time he frowned. He's always a happy, polite fellow. He doesn't deserve the shit he gets from the other kids.
[sp]Also being obsessed with Slender Man is an acceptable 'hobby' down here if you can call it that. A ton of kids are into it. Too bad that doesn't change the fact that the majority of kids at my school besides my friends hates me for being different.[/sp]:sigh:
I used to love making cool train networks in Sim City 4 and driving them around my city/the countryside. I think I'd really enjoy a model train.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;32187393]DIY stuff, building a 1W laser and burning shit was pretty satisfying.[/QUOTE]
I wish I could do some DIY but I'm low on money for shit and random junk around the house isn't very useful. Plus I don't really have the time [sp]or patience.[/sp]
Trains are a fantastic creation.
Massive, powerful, intricate. They've reshaped society, they're a bridge between the sweat and grit of the 1800's and the finer engineering of modern society. Brilliant things, trains.
If I ever get my own huge basement I'm filling it with mini towns and mountains and cliffs and putting trains fucking everywhere
I find sports stupidly pointless and boring.
Just another over-hyped thing in the world really, its stupid. People are obsessed with dreams of becoming their favorite sports hero, and its pathetic.
[QUOTE=J!NX;32187859]I find sports stupidly pointless and boring.
Just another over-hyped thing in the world really, its stupid. People are obsessed with dreams of becoming their favorite sports hero, and its pathetic.[/QUOTE]
Playing sports with friends? Awesome. Playing on a local team? Even more awesome.
Fantasy football? More autistic than trains.
[QUOTE=TBFundy;32187615]you know, I was thinking about this
and it's not like the "nerds" are these nice, misunderstood people. i've met an equal amount of dickish nerds and dickish jocks. the nerds think of the jocks as unintellegent, conforming dullards and the jocks think of nerds as anti-social, strange acne covered "fags". it's really just each group generalizing eachother.
honestly, if video gaming and coding and reading manga became the cool thing to do, and sports became the nerdy thing to do, then i really don't the the social hierarchy would be any different[/QUOTE]
It isn't the current formation of the social hierarchy which is of any importance, it's that it exists in the first place.
It's that children are molded by acquaintances and media and culture to hold arbitrary and cruel beliefs about morality and what should be and what should not.
There's no room for mental diversity.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32187855]If I ever get my own huge basement I'm filling it with mini towns and mountains and cliffs and putting trains fucking everywhere[/QUOTE]
I wish I had a basement. I'd do it up like the Giger Bar.
Being a furry is a socially acceptable hobby.
[sp]on deviantart[/sp]
[QUOTE=J!NX;32187859]I find sports stupidly pointless and boring.
Just another over-hyped thing in the world really, its stupid. People are obsessed with dreams of becoming their favorite sports hero, and its pathetic.[/QUOTE] I'm not too into sports (im a nerd) but I wouldn't say its stupid. Its a great way to get healthy, make friends and have fun.
Tastes can be organized into desirability by its end products. That's why you put pedophiles in jail and stop people from taking drugs. Sports cultivate our body, train modeling trains your ability to coordinate and shit I guess. Watching sports however ranks fucking low.
[QUOTE=TBFundy;32187615]you know, I was thinking about this
and it's not like the "nerds" are these nice, misunderstood people. i've met an equal amount of dickish nerds and dickish jocks. the nerds think of the jocks as unintellegent, conforming dullards and the jocks think of nerds as anti-social, strange acne covered "fags". it's really just each group generalizing eachother.
honestly, if video gaming and coding and reading manga became the cool thing to do, and sports became the nerdy thing to do, then i really don't the the social hierarchy would be any different[/QUOTE]
tbh i met more dickish nerds than i have jocks(i mean i play soccer/futbol for the school but that aside i'm a huge nerd and i know both groups pretty well here) really depends on where you live, my friend is on the varsity football team and we played starcraft together all last year
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[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32187960]Tastes can be organized into desirability by its end products. That's why you put pedophiles in jail and stop people from taking drugs. Sports cultivate our body, train modeling trains your ability to coordinate and shit I guess. Watching sports however ranks fucking low.[/QUOTE]
not really
watching sports really teaches you the plays
-snip for being a dumbass-
One thing to take into consideration is, is it possible for kids to not be inclusive and hostile to those who differ in thinking or appearance? I mean, no matter how far adults get in civil rights, we always hate [I]someone.[/I] Whether it's the Mexicans, or the politicians, or those who don't consider the environment as much as us, etc . . .
Why would kids be any different? Why wouldn't they always have their own outcasts to hate?
i like cars and motorsport
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32187960]Tastes can be organized into desirability by its end products. That's why you put pedophiles in jail and stop people from taking drugs. Sports cultivate our body, train modeling trains your ability to coordinate and shit I guess. Watching sports however ranks fucking low.[/QUOTE]
We put pedophiles in jail when they harm children, and we only stop people from taking drugs when we've either built up an arbitrary social stigma about them or when they're apocalyptically destructive.
Smoking and drinking are still some of the most popular activities of all time the world over.
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;32187967]tbh i met more dickish nerds than i have jocks(i mean i play soccer/futbol for the school but that aside i'm a huge nerd and i know both groups pretty well here) really depends on where you live, my friend is on the varsity football team and we played starcraft together all last year
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not really
watching sports really teaches you the plays[/QUOTE]
But why do you want to know the plays? Knowing how to play sports right doesn't really much, well it helps you with planning and shit, but the plays in itself are uyseless.
let me copy pasta some of my thoughts.
First of all, people aren't moral or immoral, because, as you said, there is no free will, which morality depends on.
Your actions then are decided on some kind of programming.
Now, what the body does is what the body wants, no matter what influences it. The body can experience 3 things: feelings, perceptions and thoughts, perceptions and thoughts are two faces of knowledge, so you have knowledge (data from the senses and from the mind) and emotions (the trademark of the consciousness, what defines consciousness, it is impossible to know without feeling (even if that feeling is indifference, which is different from not being able to feel about it) but not the other way around). Knowledge is nothing but replication of the world on your mind; therefore it can’t possibly propel you, just like the real world doesn’t, which leaves feelings. Now every feeling can be split into combination of happiness and unhappiness (each referring to different things), and happiness is good, while unhappiness is bad. Therefore, every single last thing we do is propelled by happiness.
Happiness is this programming. You do whatever you think will make you happier, you and you alone, because you are incapable of feeling other people's emotions, and you evaluate situations and their level of happiness using ideals, or tastes.
These ideals are the ones that can be judged, and all you need to do to do it objectively is assume that happiness is objectively good, which it is, because worth (what makes something good) comes from consciousnesses only, and if happiness that propels us, then it is the only thing considered worthy of having, good, possessing worth.
And if your happiness is objectively good, then it is a characteristic of the universe and applies to everyone, same for all other consciousnesses.
With this follows (if you assume that happiness is the ONLY thing that is good, which it is, all human experiences eventually come down to a balance between happiness and unhappiness) that the sole rule for human conduct is maximization of happiness.
This is all premise. Now, tastes are divided into two mechanisms. The happiness, which comes from the realization of a taste, which is entirely subject and molded, and the consequences which are the natural consequences of the action, which depend on the nature of the action and are strictly objective, as they depend on the laws of physics and logic.
This is where the grading starts. The better ideals, the more efficient ones, are the ones whose consequences allow for you to perform more actions from which you will receive happiness, the happiness you get from the realization of the ideal does not come into the equation because you can mold to have any ideal whatsoever, you can't mold the laws of physics.
Medicine allows for one to live longer and better, sadism and violence do the opposite.
I mentioned how the one rule is to maximize happiness, but how should we?
There are rules, laws to the mechanics of happiness.
Firstly, we'll assume that happiness, as something that can rise and decrease can be measured in a numerical fashion. What is very hard is to find a scale, but that is not needed for the argument.
The first rule, which I already mentioned, is:
Every unit of happiness felt by any consciousness, in itself, is of the same value
The second one is in regards to happiness distribution.
Assuming person 1 has X U.H (units of happiness) and the other one also X/2 U.H., and we have an object which will, on a determined standard person, produce 50 U.H. and assuming that no other difference between them exists other than level of happiness (and that the object will produce happiness and not unhappiness on the people), who should we give the object to?
The sad person, merely because the less you have, the more of a happiness boost you will receive. Inversely for unhappiness, the unhappier you are, less importance you will give to bad things.
The second rule then is:
The same stimulus will not provoke the same variation in happiness of two equal people, disregarding their happiness levels.
Now, we know what is “moral” (i.e. efficient), and we (sort of) know how to figure out which situation is better when presented to us, now we need to see how we can predict situations.
Let’s imagine we have this situation.
A man must choose between taking or not taking a 5 dollar bill from someone, all other effects are neglectable.
First, we need to find all possible consequences for each outcome and attribute them a happiness value. For the sake of argument, let’s assume money’s happiness value is equal to its monetary worth.
You get Situation A (he does) where we have Hpv = 5-5 (+5 for the man and -5 for the man he took the bill from) while situation B has an Hpv = 0+0 (nothing changed)
So both situations are equally valid, but what if we can’t (and we can’t, thanks quantum physics!) predict the future with a 100% rate of success, then we need to factor in probabilities.
Let’s think of a bet, would you bet your entire money for a chance at getting 5 dollars? It’s not ver y wise, but how do we calculate that one. Easy:
Situation A(he does) you get an Hpv= 5(dollars) x 0.5 (chance of winning) – 10000(his money) x 0.5 (chance of losing) while you invert the happiness values of each stimulus for situation B. Situation A is then the preferable choice.
BUT there’s a possibility the man running the wager shoots you if you win, you must also factor that, there’s a chance he’ll shoot and miss and the man ends up killing him because of it. There is a chance the man who just died were a future Hitler, or maybe that he would be future Hitler’s murderer.
A nigh infinite amount of probabilities that must be factored in, but ones we can ignore since the probabilities of the guy being/killing the future Hitler are near identical in both situation so, when putting one against the other, we can ignore them.
And it's not that it can't be measured. It can, we have been doing so ever since we were born. If happiness levels fluctuate and we know something makes us happier than something else, then we've been using numbers (estimations) all the time. What's VERY hard is using a standard unit. That depends on the brain; I'm thinking maybe concentration of happiness hormones or number of neurons fired. I don't know enough about the brain to talk about this.
Astronomy is my main hobby. I just get a telescope and go out and stare at the moon through it for a few hours, mine isn't good enough to see any interesting things in decent other than the moon.
I have a telescope that I have never used because it's the size of my fucking room.
Jesus christ I'm not going to read a fucking skyscraper of text that is tangentially related to the subject and try to apply it on my own just because you're too lazy to reword it to express your own specific opinion.
I fucking hate it when people can't describe how they themselves think and instead just point at some quote or lecture and go "I think that!". Because that doesn't fucking tell me what [I]you[/I] think, it just tells me what the author or lecturer thinks and that your thinking derives from it. I still don't how you interpreted it, or to what degree, or for what specifically.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32187855]If I ever get my own huge basement I'm filling it with mini towns and mountains and cliffs and putting trains fucking everywhere[/QUOTE]
Then make a big godzilla that uses a flamethrower.
For example, this:
Happiness is this programming. You do whatever you think will make you happier, you and you alone, because you are incapable of feeling other people's emotions, and you evaluate situations and their level of happiness using ideals, or tastes.
These ideals are the ones that can be judged, and all you need to do to do it objectively is assume that happiness is objectively good, which it is, because worth (what makes something good) comes from consciousnesses only, and if happiness that propels us, then it is the only thing considered worthy of having, good, possessing worth.
Could be applied to any philosophy from Humanism to Nazism.
Yeah. Too bad the author is myself.
And keep going, some actions allow you to feel more happiness objectively, simply postulating that you can teach something to like anything you want.
my one and only "hobby" is playing video games
that's probably why it's awkward for me to attempt to have conversations with people that don't play video games other than call of duty
[QUOTE='[Slender Man];32187807']I wish I could do some DIY but I'm low on money for shit and random junk around the house isn't very useful. Plus I don't really have the time [sp]or patience.[/sp][/QUOTE]
~$300
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I used to be pretty fascinated with trains when I was little. I loved watching Thomas the tank engine. And I had this "I love toy trains" movie. Anyone else remember that?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32187876]Playing sports with friends? Awesome. Playing on a local team? Even more awesome.
Fantasy football? More autistic than trains.[/QUOTE]
Playing sports is fun
watching sports is stupid, stop it, go out, play it.
Playing soccer for what ever reason is frowned upon by more people than not. It is stupid as shit because it is a great sport, one of my favorites TBH.
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