[QUOTE=Craptasket;32188211]~$300
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How legal is that?
[QUOTE=J!NX;32187859]I find sports stupidly pointless and boring.
Just another over-hyped thing in the world really, its stupid. People are obsessed with dreams of becoming their favorite sports hero, and its pathetic.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32188104]But why do you want to know the plays? Knowing how to play sports right doesn't really much, well it helps you with planning and shit, but the plays in itself are uyseless.
let me copy pasta some of my thoughts.
First of all, people aren't moral or immoral, because, as you said, there is no free will, which morality depends on.
Your actions then are decided on some kind of programming.
Now, what the body does is what the body wants, no matter what influences it. The body can experience 3 things: feelings, perceptions and thoughts, perceptions and thoughts are two faces of knowledge, so you have knowledge (data from the senses and from the mind) and emotions (the trademark of the consciousness, what defines consciousness, it is impossible to know without feeling (even if that feeling is indifference, which is different from not being able to feel about it) but not the other way around). Knowledge is nothing but replication of the world on your mind; therefore it can’t possibly propel you, just like the real world doesn’t, which leaves feelings. Now every feeling can be split into combination of happiness and unhappiness (each referring to different things), and happiness is good, while unhappiness is bad. Therefore, every single last thing we do is propelled by happiness.
Happiness is this programming. You do whatever you think will make you happier, you and you alone, because you are incapable of feeling other people's emotions, and you evaluate situations and their level of happiness using ideals, or tastes.
These ideals are the ones that can be judged, and all you need to do to do it objectively is assume that happiness is objectively good, which it is, because worth (what makes something good) comes from consciousnesses only, and if happiness that propels us, then it is the only thing considered worthy of having, good, possessing worth.
And if your happiness is objectively good, then it is a characteristic of the universe and applies to everyone, same for all other consciousnesses.
With this follows (if you assume that happiness is the ONLY thing that is good, which it is, all human experiences eventually come down to a balance between happiness and unhappiness) that the sole rule for human conduct is maximization of happiness.
This is all premise. Now, tastes are divided into two mechanisms. The happiness, which comes from the realization of a taste, which is entirely subject and molded, and the consequences which are the natural consequences of the action, which depend on the nature of the action and are strictly objective, as they depend on the laws of physics and logic.
This is where the grading starts. The better ideals, the more efficient ones, are the ones whose consequences allow for you to perform more actions from which you will receive happiness, the happiness you get from the realization of the ideal does not come into the equation because you can mold to have any ideal whatsoever, you can't mold the laws of physics.
Medicine allows for one to live longer and better, sadism and violence do the opposite.
I mentioned how the one rule is to maximize happiness, but how should we?
There are rules, laws to the mechanics of happiness.
Firstly, we'll assume that happiness, as something that can rise and decrease can be measured in a numerical fashion. What is very hard is to find a scale, but that is not needed for the argument.
The first rule, which I already mentioned, is:
Every unit of happiness felt by any consciousness, in itself, is of the same value
The second one is in regards to happiness distribution.
Assuming person 1 has X U.H (units of happiness) and the other one also X/2 U.H., and we have an object which will, on a determined standard person, produce 50 U.H. and assuming that no other difference between them exists other than level of happiness (and that the object will produce happiness and not unhappiness on the people), who should we give the object to?
The sad person, merely because the less you have, the more of a happiness boost you will receive. Inversely for unhappiness, the unhappier you are, less importance you will give to bad things.
The second rule then is:
The same stimulus will not provoke the same variation in happiness of two equal people, disregarding their happiness levels.
Now, we know what is “moral” (i.e. efficient), and we (sort of) know how to figure out which situation is better when presented to us, now we need to see how we can predict situations.
Let’s imagine we have this situation.
A man must choose between taking or not taking a 5 dollar bill from someone, all other effects are neglectable.
First, we need to find all possible consequences for each outcome and attribute them a happiness value. For the sake of argument, let’s assume money’s happiness value is equal to its monetary worth.
You get Situation A (he does) where we have Hpv = 5-5 (+5 for the man and -5 for the man he took the bill from) while situation B has an Hpv = 0+0 (nothing changed)
So both situations are equally valid, but what if we can’t (and we can’t, thanks quantum physics!) predict the future with a 100% rate of success, then we need to factor in probabilities.
Let’s think of a bet, would you bet your entire money for a chance at getting 5 dollars? It’s not ver y wise, but how do we calculate that one. Easy:
Situation A(he does) you get an Hpv= 5(dollars) x 0.5 (chance of winning) – 10000(his money) x 0.5 (chance of losing) while you invert the happiness values of each stimulus for situation B. Situation A is then the preferable choice.
BUT there’s a possibility the man running the wager shoots you if you win, you must also factor that, there’s a chance he’ll shoot and miss and the man ends up killing him because of it. There is a chance the man who just died were a future Hitler, or maybe that he would be future Hitler’s murderer.
A nigh infinite amount of probabilities that must be factored in, but ones we can ignore since the probabilities of the guy being/killing the future Hitler are near identical in both situation so, when putting one against the other, we can ignore them.
And it's not that it can't be measured. It can, we have been doing so ever since we were born. If happiness levels fluctuate and we know something makes us happier than something else, then we've been using numbers (estimations) all the time. What's VERY hard is using a standard unit. That depends on the brain; I'm thinking maybe concentration of happiness hormones or number of neurons fired. I don't know enough about the brain to talk about this.[/QUOTE]
Interesting read but I think you're thinking too hard about it. People just want to be happy at the end of the day, we can't care for other's feelings and that makes us naturally selfish.
About the trains, I never make fun of people's hobbies, but trains are just meh.
I stated that somewhere up there. truth be said, I haven't read it in a while.
I don't get why people give a shit. How does it affect you in any way that he likes trains? It's not interfering with your life, why do you have to make fun of the kid for it. People gotta seriously just live their life and not be concerned with others.
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;32188593]I don't get why people give a shit. How does it affect you in any way that he likes trains? It's not interfering with your life, why do you have to make fun of the kid for it. People gotta seriously just live their life and not be concerned with others.[/QUOTE]
They don't give a shit, nor are they concerned. They just like to laugh at somebody who's obsessed with trains. Totally called for.
If you want to study irrationally intolerant people, you'll find plenty of them here on Facepunch.
But yeah, I was/am one of those cases as well. Everything went much smoother once I learned to shut up and hide my interests as well as possible. Didn't exactly feel right, but getting "the wrong kind of attention" felt worse (mentally and physically).
Wasn't so easy to hide my marks in certain subjects tho. And boy do teachers like to talk a lot sometimes. :/
[QUOTE=barttool;32188493]Interesting read but I think you're thinking too hard about it. People just want to be happy at the end of the day, we can't care for other's feelings and that makes us naturally selfish.[/QUOTE]
We're also, by nature, empathetic creatures that care about others. Be it idols, friends or family. Even stone-cold people need to measure their success by other people's reactions.
automerge why has thou forsaken me
some real motivational shit in this thread
"BE YOURSELF FUCK WHAT OTHERS THINK"
Why the hell would anyone make fun of model trains? They're the fucking bomb.
I mean, seriously, some people play simulators of trains on their computers. You know what's better than that? Building your own goddamned miniature world where [B]YOU[/B] built and painted everything about it.
I barely know anyone at my age who has an actual hobby/skill besides playing video games and watching sports all day.
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;32188593]I don't get why people give a shit. How does it affect you in any way that he likes trains? It's not interfering with your life, why do you have to make fun of the kid for it. People gotta seriously just live their life and not be concerned with others.[/QUOTE]
First off, everything you do impacts other people.
Secondly, babies don't want to take vaccines either way, but you make them, for their own good.
Is it a bad thing that I was into sport shooting with my dad at 13? After I mentioned it during a Free speech project in 8th grade most of the idiots left me alone, which helped me out a lot.
Why the hell would that be a bad thing
Yeah see i like guns, and in the school i go to, where most people arent into hunting or anything like that, they instantly think of columbine or something, when im going into the military to pursue my Gunsmithing.
its not that people are so much intolerant as much as ignorant in my opinion.
Holy shit, you're gonna design firearms? That's awesome, man. I don't exactly think guns should exist burt fuck, they're interesting pieces of machinery.
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;32188961]First off, everything you do impacts other people.
Secondly, babies don't want to take vaccines either way, but you make them, for their own good.[/QUOTE]
I doubt some kid reading about trains is really gonna drastically change the life of a jock in the school.
It's just because football is popular and always in the media and is thus more socially acceptable
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[QUOTE=K3inMitl3id;32187947]Being a furry is a socially acceptable hobby.[/QUOTE]
Remarkably that is kind of true IF there are enough within a permanant (as in their homes/apartment) close proximity which does not require a car or more than one bus transfer. Of course this is all socially. If you meet furries at a convention you don't get the same results, probably because people came from far around to mainly buy and sell furry porn and erotic novels and could care less about your shit and what you do on Thursday nights.
While I agree model trains can be a good sociable hobby, it's expensive and tedious as fuck.
[QUOTE=tittles650;32186483]mountain biking/fixie riding
skating
dirtbike
manly stuff[/QUOTE]
If you like manly stuff, then you can have me. :quagmire:
[QUOTE=J!NX;32188256]Playing sports is fun
watching sports is stupid, stop it, go out, play it.[/QUOTE]
Hey man.
I disagree.
I used to have one of those big motorized train sets. I wish I knew where it was. IIRC it even made steam come out the smokestack.
I used to drive a R/C Car (fueled), but the starter broke on it. The middle school has an R/C Model club. I wish the high school had one.
As soon as me and this other kid an arrange something, I'm gonna sell him my car for $100 (*even though I don't think its worth $20, I explained to him that it needs work, and he said he wants to give me $100 for it. "Okay, Not gonna argue with that"
Being socially acceptable shouldn't even be a [b]factor[/b] in choosing what you like to do. Are people going to let society tell them how to live there whole life? People should be trying to make there own path, instead of bending to social norms.
[QUOTE=W00tbeer1;32189309]I doubt some kid reading about trains is really gonna drastically change the life of a jock in the school.[/QUOTE]
And why does drastically matter?
I'm not saying they're right in doing it, I'm saying you can't use the isolated consequences argument.
[editline]9th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=MIPS;32189421]Remarkably that is kind of true IF there are enough within a permanant (as in their homes/apartment) close proximity which does not require a car or more than one bus transfer. Of course this is all socially. If you meet furries at a convention you don't get the same results, probably because people came from far around to mainly buy and sell furry porn and erotic novels and could care less about your shit and what you do on Thursday nights.
While I agree model trains can be a good sociable hobby, it's expensive and tedious as fuck.[/QUOTE]
Actually, furry conventions are about drawing and art and less about hot fox dick.
Welcome to the real worlds.
Sports is just some over glorified thing, it is suppose to bring people entertainment and all that. These players are babied and treated like they're the most important thing in the world. They make millions of dollars for playing a game for a few hours and practicing. There are a lot more important jobs that actually benefit society that don't get even close to a fair wage.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate sports at all. I actually like watching a game every now and then, but I would much rather play the sport then sit and watch it. I always laughed at how people got in to fights over their team and how much of a bad ass football fan they are when in reality they've never even played on the field.
You should get this for him.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeXDFoHrWWo[/media]
Sports is pretty much Bread and Circus.
[I]Trains?[/I] People are making fun of [I]trains[/I] now? Why the fuck?
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