[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51811427]You're not really reading what I'm posting are you.[/QUOTE]
You're the one who decided to focus on the school children terminology thing.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51811421][media]https://twitter.com/yanderedev/status/690325077712220160[/media]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JGgAxHo.png[/IMG]
Oh yeah surely he has made a single mistake on the terminology.
Also as far as I know, if you call them "schoolchildren" they still are school children. You can make them look 18 but if you're going to call them children it simply won't make things look better here.[/QUOTE]
If they look 18, the game itself says everyone is over 18, and the game already takes place in an academy setting since they changed the map. what's the problem?
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51811421]
Also as far as I know, if you call them "schoolchildren" they still are school children. You can make them look 18 but if you're going to call them children it simply won't make things look better here.[/QUOTE]
I mean, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were technically school children as well, but they were still 17 & 18 respectively.
Anything regarding any violent or sexual acts towards a minor is heavily looked down upon in PR. Since the developer himself describes the game as "a game about stalking, bullying, kidnapping, torturing, and murdering schoolchildren". Regardless of how accurate that description is, it shows that he wants the game to be perceived as such in the media. If he didn't want this, he shouldn't have said it in the first place.
Furthermore, looking at Twitch's perspective, why would they want a game on their platform that has this description and would cause more harm than good? Twitch is a company, not a democracy, and it's easier and cheaper to ban a game that will bring future issues than to attempt to allow it.
If YandereDev actually cares about this, he would need to scrap any and all violent or sexual themes (it cannot even be an optional thing where the game punishes you for doing it) and work heavily on promoting his game as the complete opposite of what he said during his VICE interview. I really don't have a lot of sympathy for this guy because he comes across as arrogant and out of touch with reality. He had to basically have it spelled out that his game is bad for business, why it's bad for business, and then he still doesn't understand that Twitch doesn't actually owe him for anything.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51811432]If they look 18, the game itself says everyone is over 18, and the game already takes place in an academy setting since they changed the map. what's the problem?[/QUOTE]
They don't look 18 to me, they look slightly younger, perhaps 16-17. With that type of artstyle it's hard for people to even judge. The problem is that while the developers can say they're 18 (for legal reasons). They don't exactly look 18 and they're described as schoolchildren by the developer himself, even more so yanderedev pairs the yandere trope seen in School Days and Mirai Nikki, both being about underage students.
It's treading on thin ice here. Yanderedev is mad because his video game got banned for being shocking, but he reaped what he sowed, don't complain about your game getting banned if you ramp up the shock factor for the sole purpose of making a shocking and "anti-sjw" game according to his words.
[QUOTE=papaya;51811076]the sims wasnt made to be porn tho
this was made on purpose to be a schoolgirl killing sim
please though, please, feel free to try to defend it to like your mum or something. do this whole thing as before, say hey mum (or just a close friend not wrapped up in creepy anime shit) some streaming site banned this game, i think its unfair. then explain how because you only see the panties and the nudity is ~optional~ that makes it ok
this shit really is a disgusting game and idk why you guys are defending it or the dev even if its from a 'free speech! creative expression!' point of view. im out.[/QUOTE]
think of games like forklift simulator or train simulator, and then consider the title "psycho stalker simulator"
it's the same joke as games like goat simulator.
I don't even get why you're so upset, at least the other people are concerned over censorship. What are you so worried is going to happen? People are going to stream a bad game?
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51811478][B]They don't look 18 to me, they look slightly younger, perhaps 16-17. [/B]With that type of artstyle it's hard for people to even judge. [/QUOTE]
For some things this argument can be made, but this? fucking really?
This polygonal stylized character looks a month away from being 18 years old.
Additionally they're vague japanese anime characters... it might not be obvious but your "age-sense" might be a bit off when you consider that the characters are almost completely defined by being roundish blobs, and that japanese facial structure tends to maintain that shape for a long time. "round face" doesnt mean "child" when you're not looking at europeans.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51811478]It's treading on thin ice here. Yanderedev is mad because his video game got banned for being shocking, but he reaped what he sowed, don't complain about your game getting banned if you ramp up the shock factor for the sole purpose of making a shocking and "anti-sjw" game according to his words.[/QUOTE]
I dont think he made the game just for the purpose of shocking sjws and i don't know where you get that idea. The concern of SJWs hounding you is fair enough for any dev, I could very much have seen sjws going after this game simply because it's roots are imageboards and 'everyone knows' imageboards are full of racist sexist nazis, not to disregard the myriad things in the game you could vaguely interpret as sexist if you had brain damage.
I feel like you and others keep bringing up his tame history, random comments and mention of sjws, blowing them out of proportion using them to try to character assassinate. It makes you creepy.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51811478]They don't look 18 to me, they look slightly younger, perhaps 16-17. With that type of artstyle it's hard for people to even judge. The problem is that while the developers can say they're 18 (for legal reasons). They don't exactly look 18 and they're described as schoolchildren by the developer himself, even more so yanderedev pairs the yandere trope seen in School Days and Mirai Nikki, both being about underage students.[/QUOTE]
You're arguing semantics at this point and in any event they're clearly not children, 16, 17, 18, or otherwise.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51811509]For some things this argument can be made, but this? fucking really?
This polygonal stylized character looks a month away from being 18 years old.[/QUOTE]
You're not exactly giving qualities of why so, the same why I'm not giving qualities because this is anime, like I mentioned the stylized anime style is something in which age is a hard factor to judge, I tend to judge so more on the young side because of how the developer usually calls them schoolchildren, how the game is based off anime with underage yandere characters and how I perceive their overall look to be younger than 18.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51811520]
I dont think he made the game just for the purpose of shocking sjws and i don't know where you get that idea. The concern of SJWs hounding you is fair enough for any dev, I could very much have seen sjws going after this game simply because it's roots are imageboards and 'everyone knows' imageboards are full of racist sexist nazis, not to disregard the myriad things in the game you could vaguely interpret as sexist if you had brain damage.[/QUOTE]
He got it from the same post where YandereDev openly yells at 4chan for being a shithole that he shouldnt be pandering, dated over a year ago.
Its practically irrelevant at this point.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51811534]He got it from the same post where YandereDev openly yells at 4chan for being a shithole that he shouldnt be pandering, dated over a year ago.
Its practically irrelevant at this point.[/QUOTE]
And yet he retained most of the features he added ever since. There's a clear root and purpose of the game being shocking and creepy. He even says so in the interview that if the game is not creepy enough for some people he'll make it even more creepy.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51811531][B]You're not exactly giving qualities of why so[/B], the same why I'm not giving qualities because this is anime, like I mentioned the stylized anime style is something in which age is a hard factor to judge, I tend to judge so more on the young side because of how the developer usually calls them schoolchildren, how the game is based off anime with underage yandere characters and how I perceive their overall look to be younger than 18.[/QUOTE]
How about i tell you.
[t]http://img13.deviantart.net/411e/i/2015/165/8/b/mmd_yandere_simulator_models_by_xxsnowcherryxx-d8xcqwd.png[/t]
1.
Rule of thumb is the adult person stands roughly 7-7.5 heads high, those models stand 8 to 8.5 heads high or so.
2.
The male has broad shoulders and the females have curvy figures, signaling the fact they've been through puberty and are not children. And while their age is ambiguous, they certainly dont look less than ~17ish, mostly due to:
3.
The adult teacher in the back, while slightly taller, has the same face as the students. Given that, theres an implication they're on the older side. Still ambiguous but within the context of the setting theres reason to believe as such.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51811540]And yet he retained most of the features he added ever since. There's a clear root and purpose of the game being shocking and creepy. He even says so in the interview that if the game is not creepy enough for some people he'll make it even more creepy.[/QUOTE]
It's kinda shocking and creepy that you care so much about whether or not the game is shocking and creepy, is being shocking and creepy grounds to ban you?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51811545]
1.
Rule of thumb is the adult person stands roughly 8 heads high, those models stand 8 to 8.5 heads high.
[/QUOTE]
7.5 heads realistic. 8 heads idealistic.
The higher the head ratio the more heroic/graceful the character looks.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51811554]7 - 7.5 heads realistic. 8 heads idealistic.
The higher the head ratio the more heroic/graceful the character looks.[/QUOTE]
I forget that sometimes, usually refer back to 8 because its what im used to :v:.
Point still stands though.
[QUOTE=Thlis;51811554]7.5 heads realistic. 8 heads idealistic.
The higher the head ratio the more heroic/graceful the character looks.[/QUOTE]
look how heroic (and graceful) this guy is
[t]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QDzZbz-YGYs/maxresdefault.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51811546]It's kinda shocking and creepy that you care so much about whether or not the game is shocking and creepy, is being shocking and creepy grounds to ban you?[/QUOTE]
Having opposing opinions is not something I would consider as grounds to ban or creepy to be honest. I just find the game's ban was mostly expected coming from twitch, and also my personal opinion of the game's bad quality.
[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51811571]and also my personal opinion of the game's bad quality.[/QUOTE]
What's the reason(s) that the game has bad quality from your point of view?
[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;51811633]What's the reason(s) that the game has bad quality from your point of view?[/QUOTE]
its a shock game, its purpose is to be as awful as possible and offend as many people as possible. Just like hatred, which after everyone on here was finished circlejerking about 'you dont get it its actually very deep' turned out to be a load of shite
[editline]12th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51811370]
True enough, but whats [i]inherently[/i] wrong with that compared to murder? I understand its morally wrong but when put on a scale, what makes it different than other forms of fictional violence or crimes of a similar nature?[/QUOTE]
"whats wrong with torturing someone into committing murder-suicide?"
[QUOTE=papaya;51810938]man you're really desperate for your snuff fetish game to be seen as a legitimate game and not just porn huh
/shrug like i said i guess that means the reason they allow gtav and conan exiles and not this is gonna be because of money, they'll get a shitton from those two and basically nothing from yandere sim bc nobody except weirdos on the internet know about it (thank god)[/QUOTE]
and here you are
the non-weirdo
aparently 100% in the know of the inner workings of this game and everything about it
[editline]12th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=papaya;51811967]its a shock game, its purpose is to be as awful as possible and offend as many people as possible. Just like hatred,[B] which after everyone on here was finished circlejerking about 'you dont get it its actually very deep' turned out to be a load of shite[/B]
[editline]12th February 2017[/editline]
"whats wrong with torturing someone into committing murder-suicide?"[/QUOTE]
resorting to making shit up so you can be right doesnt change the fact that you are wrong
[QUOTE=papaya;51811967]its a shock game, its purpose is to be as awful as possible and offend as many people as possible. Just like hatred, which after everyone on here was finished circlejerking about 'you dont get it its actually very deep' turned out to be a load of shite
"[/QUOTE]
Even if YandereSim was intentionally a shock game or had components intended to shock the player (Surprise, it isn't), guess what other game has a moment which is unskippable, and clearly intended to send a message and to shock the player?
Grand Theft Auto V.
You know that part where you have to waterboard, electrocute, pull at his teeth with pliers, maybe beat him with a wrench? Totally unskippable, and immediately after it is made obvious through dialogue that the torture was pointless in the context of the game and the developers clearly added it to shock and send a message about torture post 9/11.
Now let's look at this mention of "torturing someone into committing murder-suicide" portion of YandereSim. Completely optional, the torture bits are just a menu, some flavor text, and some voice acting rather than GTA V's graphic fully animated torture scene with various methods of said torture. And using this method of optional flavor text torture isn't meant to shock like it is in GTA V, its just a way of progressing if that's how you choose to play, rather than GTA V's unskippable, only intended to shock, torture scene.
Point is a game that isn't banned clearly commits all the "sins" that you're complaining about, while YandereSim isn't. Maybe if you could a torture a girl by beating in her dog's head right in front of her with a baseball bat, it be less snuff film, and closer to your decent, respectable style.
And I'm sure that I am tardy to the GTA V torture party in this discussion, but hopefully this makes you take a second look at whatever it is that you're using to substitute logic.
Theoretically you can skip some of the torture in the GTA5 mission, but it requires you knowing who the target was ahead of time and effectively cutting the knot (which still means assassinating some random guy because he [i]could[/i] be some muslim terrorist the FIB had profiled as a threat against national security). And you had to go through some of it no matter what. But yeah, pacifism in games like GTA doesn't usually exist unless it's part of a mission, while at least Yandere Sim is intending to try to let you use non-lethal methods to get rid of rivals - whether it's going all matchmaker so they go for someone else rather than the Senpai guy, or, y'know, ruining their reputation enough to make them unsuitable.
Just watch out for the suicides.
[editline]12th February 2017[/editline]
Hell, the dev wants it so that players can even gain the trust of their rivals through helping them with their problems, and then utilizing that to also get rid of their threat in rather passive and unaggressive ways.
[sp]Or exploiting their trust to murderize them at home if you're a huge dick.[/sp]
[QUOTE=papaya;51810938]man you're really desperate for your snuff fetish game to be seen as a legitimate game and not just porn huh
/shrug like i said i guess that means the reason they allow gtav and conan exiles and not this is gonna be because of money, they'll get a shitton from those two and basically nothing from yandere sim bc nobody except weirdos on the internet know about it (thank god)[/QUOTE]
any attempt you are trying to make to set the stage as some weird sexual fantasy game for boys to jack off to is completely invalidated by the fact that the player base has something like 2-4% females playing the game than males.
[QUOTE=papaya;51810938]man you're really desperate for your snuff fetish game to be seen as a legitimate game and not just porn huh
/shrug like i said i guess that means the reason they allow gtav and conan exiles and not this is gonna be because of money, they'll get a shitton from those two and basically nothing from yandere sim bc nobody except weirdos on the internet know about it (thank god)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=papaya;51811967]its a shock game, its purpose is to be as awful as possible and offend as many people as possible. Just like hatred, which after everyone on here was finished circlejerking about 'you dont get it its actually very deep' turned out to be a load of shite
[editline]12th February 2017[/editline]
"whats wrong with torturing someone into committing murder-suicide?"[/QUOTE]
You have got to be trolling.
YOu [I]HAVE GOT[/I] to be trolling.
What the fuck, dude?
[QUOTE=papaya;51811967]its a shock game, its purpose is to be as awful as possible and offend as many people as possible. Just like hatred, which after everyone on here was finished circlejerking about 'you dont get it its actually very deep' turned out to be a load of shite[/QUOTE]
Do some fucking research holy shit you dont know [I]ANYTHING.[/I]
You're just shitposting as wildly as possible with your ears plugged going "LA LA LA CANT HEAR YOU PORN FETISH CIRCLEJERK SHOCK VALUE WIERDOS LA LA LA LA LA"
[QUOTE=papaya;51811967]"whats wrong with torturing someone into committing murder-suicide?"[/QUOTE]
What is wrong with it?
Dont go "but it is", actually explain it to me. Explain whats inherently worse about it than any other fictional form of violence you can commit.
[QUOTE=papaya;51811967]Just like hatred, which after everyone on here was finished circlejerking about 'you dont get it its actually very deep' turned out to be a load of shite
[/QUOTE]
lol
[QUOTE=papaya;51811967]its a shock game, its purpose is to be as awful as possible and offend as many people as possible.[/QUOTE]
Idk if that's true then the guy making this game put a lot of time and effort into a shock game. Also wouldn't it immediately loose any shock because the basic setup of the game has been hanging about for what, three years now?
[QUOTE=papaya;51811967]Just like hatred, which after everyone on here was finished circlejerking about 'you dont get it its actually very deep' turned out to be a load of shite[/QUOTE]
I specifically remember everyone on this entire forum hating and making fun of hatred.
[QUOTE=papaya;51810938]man you're really desperate for your snuff fetish game to be seen as a legitimate game and not just porn huh
/shrug like i said i guess that means the reason they allow gtav and conan exiles and not this is gonna be because of money, they'll get a shitton from those two and basically nothing from yandere sim bc nobody except weirdos on the internet know about it (thank god)[/QUOTE]
i streamed all of galgun double peace which is most definitely a niche fetish thing that only weirdos on the internet are aware of and they seemed fine with that
either twitch does a blanket ban of stuff like this or they don't. they don't get to pick and choose over this.
also lmao @ comparing hitman anime game and rapelay
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