The First Presidential Debate - Bart Simpson vs Lisa Simpson - THUNDERDOME - General

[QUOTE=OvB;51114884]Only if you give me the recipe first.[/QUOTE] The worst cookie. Raisin Oatmeal.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;51114821]Will the outcome of this debate really affect him?[/QUOTE] I doubt he'll [B]lose[/B] any votes. I couldn't tell the difference between his debate performance and his usual spiel. His supporters probably don't care, or otherwise feign ignorance to his performance. I think Clinton will win over undecideds, by keeping her cool. If the other debates play out like this one, ultimately that's a net loss for Trump.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51114888]The worst cookie. Raisin Oatmeal.[/QUOTE] Gross, I should just ban you for that.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51114876]Alright. If Trumps wins, I'll make cookies with icing in the shape of each state Trump wins and eat them all before going on the finale of a giant cookie with MAGA written on it, otherwise, fucking permaban me. Is that good enough? [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("TOXX: If Trump wins, must eat a cookie in the shape of each won state, and a final giant MAGA cookie." - Big Dumb American))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Branded

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[QUOTE=Svinnik;51114820]as a fellow trump supporter, there is a difference between high energy and denying reality Trump didn't do good in this debate. I'm pretty sure he's saving the biggest cards like the entire clinton foundation situation and other things like that for the last debate but right now, it doesn't look good for Trump.[/QUOTE] Clinton Foundation scandal: a guy pulled a ton of tricks to make sure even Clinton didn't know who he was when he was donating, and later a dozen government agencies, eleven of which Clinton never was part of, approved something he wanted to do. Trump Foundation scandal: Trump stole other people's money from a charity he hasn't donated to in nearly a decade to bribe the person investigating his fraudulent university and settle a lawsuit brought against one of his hotels. Man, I sure hope Trump's dumb enough to bring up charitable foundations.

I started looking at clinton's positions on CTR and I've already found some incorrect things on the issues that I care about. What's a good source to find her stances that isn't from her?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;51114898]you didn't brand me, does that mean I'm exempt from my Toxx?[/QUOTE] Nobody wants to see your butt, kyle

[QUOTE=OvB;51114893]Gross, I should just ban you for that.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is this sudden hatred for raisins? I love raisins... Fuck you John Oliver...

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51114888]The worst cookie. Raisin Oatmeal.[/QUOTE] you animal

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[QUOTE=Kyle902;51114909]Welp[/QUOTE] We already have this master class ass right here: :ass:

real talk for a minute, i can't figure it out why trump didn't fire back when clinton started to say his support of the war in iraq and intervening in libya, two things she did, were bad? all he literally had to do was retort with "hillary, you voted for the war in iraq and were directly responsible for getting involved with libya, which lead to benghazi". bam, people would suddenly remember shit. from there, he could get into the emails, and take note about how she lied under oath. like for fuck's sake, this is the dingus who said "we should think of iraq as a business venture." how the fuck didn't his campaign team ever think of using this as ammo? but nope, just dug his own grave. oh, and oatmeal raisin cookies are delicious, fuck you all.

Imagine if Trump had the same kind of ideas but actually knew what he was doing and was a smooth political operator. If he had - Been a bit more restrained during the primaries - Actually fundraised properly for the general election - Not feuded with the GOP - Kept the focus on Clinton's weaknesses - Not said dumb shit every week - Done serious debate prep, and acted presidential in the debate - Come up with some real substantive policies, and memorised them - Not contradicted himself every week If he had done even half of those things, we could really be in trouble right now. Really we should count ourselves lucky that this weird moment in American history manifested itself in Donald Trump rather than an actually threatening candidate.

we're still not out of the woods. trump managed to come back from clinton's massive lead in august. the debate tonight was entertaining but let's not act like it's a certainty until election day.

Honestly the second debate probably will shift a bit toward Trump with a bit of a rise in post debate ratings After this debate, he has the hard questions (for him anyway) of race relations and birth-ism out of the way, and those were probably some of the rougher questions for his campaign. All he has to do now is try and repeat what he did well on, especially in the first section of the debate, and he could be in smooth sailing. Hildawg still has the health issues, the cyber security issues, and a lot more in terms of questions to get through.

[QUOTE=Stroheim;51114963]Honestly the second debate probably will shift a bit toward Trump with a bit of a rise in post debate ratings After this debate, he has the hard questions (for him anyway) of race relations and birth-ism out of the way, and those were probably some of the rougher questions for his campaign. All he has to do now is try and repeat what he did well on, especially in the first section of the debate, and he could be in smooth sailing. Hildawg still has the health issues, the cyber security issues, and a lot more in terms of questions to get through.[/QUOTE] what stops hillary from talking about race and birtherism again tho

[QUOTE=Stroheim;51114963]Honestly the second debate probably will shift a bit toward Trump with a bit of a rise in post debate ratings After this debate, he has the hard questions (for him anyway) of race relations and birth-ism out of the way, and those were probably some of the rougher questions for his campaign. All he has to do now is try and repeat what he did well on, especially in the first section of the debate, and he could be in smooth sailing[/QUOTE] climate change, taxes, taxes, trump U, tax plan, wall, climate change again, russia relationship, mexican rapists, more women, bankruptcy, mexican judge, LGBT rights, religion... there's so much more dirt to throw on him, race will absolutely come up again, too.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;51114959]we're still not out of the woods. trump managed to come back from clinton's massive lead in august. the debate tonight was entertaining but let's not act like it's a certainty until election day.[/QUOTE] I honestly have no clue who will win.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51114978]I honestly have no clue who will win.[/QUOTE] For the greater good of people, Clinton must win. She wiped the floor with Trump this debate but there's still 2 more debates where she can do the same. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] Trump has shown himself he has no idea how to conduct himself on a presidential debate. How do people expect him to conduct himself in front of world leaders?

what are the themes for the next two debates?

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51114972]what stops hillary from talking about race and birtherism again tho[/QUOTE] Birther-ism: Even CNN wanted to move on from it. If she brings it up again she'll probably get flak for pulling a Rubio and repeating the exact same thing from before. No one wants to hear more about this after tonight. Race: Tough one, but the fact is that after this, we're probably going to see more questions based around the common american problems (IE: Debt, prison, etc.), like the initial questions about job retention. Sure, race will be thrown out there, but only toward white/black/latino statistics ("Well x% of minorities go to y because of z "), because Americans want a central plan to listen and understand. We want solutions to the problems Mikey Michgan/Carol California is feeling.

[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51114967]Can't wait to hear them talk about Muslims and refugees coming in...[/QUOTE] considering my family lives in the US and is muslim, that's the scariest part to me

[QUOTE=TheHydra;51114995]what are the themes for the next two debates?[/QUOTE] Second debate is a town hall (candidates sit on chairs and take questions from the audience), I don't think we know any more at this time but it's moderated by Anderson Cooper and Martha Raddatz. In 2012 it was a mixed bag of domestic and foreign stuff Third debate we would expect to be focused on foreign policy, but I don't know if that is confirmed yet. Moderated by Fox News' Chris Wallace

[QUOTE=smurfy;51114939]Imagine if Trump had the same kind of ideas but actually knew what he was doing and was a smooth political operator. If he had - Been a bit more restrained during the primaries - Actually fundraised properly for the general election - Not feuded with the GOP - Kept the focus on Clinton's weaknesses - Not said dumb shit every week - Done serious debate prep, and acted presidential in the debate - Come up with some real substantive policies, and memorised them - Not contradicted himself every week If he had done even half of those things, we could really be in trouble right now. Really we should count ourselves lucky that this weird moment in American history manifested itself in Donald Trump rather than an actually threatening candidate.[/QUOTE] Not really. If the DNC had an ounce of impartiality or moral rectitude, Clinton wouldn't be the candidate right now most likely. This is a cut dried case of "made your bed, now lie in it" for both sides.

Cue people on my Facebook feed acting outraged over the two candidates and contributing nothing.

Throwing some speculation out there: There's a non-zero chance Trump fires some of his campaign staff tomorrow or over the coming week if his rating in the polls suffers. The man's nature will not allow him to accept responsibility, he'll want to pass the blame on to someone else. If the second debate is as disastrous for him as the first was, I'd say the chances of that happening go up dramatically.

[QUOTE=27X;51115001]Not really. If the DNC had an ounce of impartiality or moral rectitude, Clinton wouldn't be the candidate right now most likely. This is a cut dried case of "made your bed, now lie in it" for both sides.[/QUOTE] Well it came down to the votes, and people didn't vote for Bernie, you can cry rigged all you want, but bernie still didn't get the peoples vote.

[QUOTE=duckmaster;51115037]Well it came down to the votes, and people didn't vote for Bernie, you can cry rigged all you want, but bernie still didn't get the peoples vote.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and he didn't get the vote heavily in part because his own party was working against him.

God I love that Trump is going to win. Goodbye crooked Hillary and your anti-deplorable fans. You'll thank us when your rich. Trump won, get over it.