The First Presidential Debate - Bart Simpson vs Lisa Simpson - THUNDERDOME - General

[QUOTE=killerteacup;51115357]Yeah when you phrase it like that in total ignorance of fact it sure sounds like the first choice would be better doesn't it I mean lets examine what you've done here for a brief second because I think it will be enlightening, and let's assume that we're in a situation where whichever president that gets elected dies and hands over to the VP. So first thing is you've neglected to mention Pence's track record as governor of Indiana at all. Yet at the same time you've asserted that Tim Kaine is somehow not a competent governor, or not competent enough to be a qualified VP outside of making backroom deals at the DNC. So there's an imbalance there with very little evidence to support that Pence would be competent and very little evidence to support that Tim Kaine was incompetent Secondly you've claimed Tim Kaine handed his seat over to the Schultz which is a pretty common rumour I'll admit but that's all it is. In reality in 2011 Kaine was pushed by Obama to run for senate in Virgina and didn't recommend Schultz or anyone else for the position, so there's that. So there's an aspersion basically made on timeline (that I'm aware of) that Kaine is a corrupt politician Thirdly and finally there's no mention of Pence's record of corruption with receiving many dollars of donations from big tobacco and trying to claim in the early 2000s that smoking doesn't cause cancer and banning vaping in Indiana which while lame as fuck is healthier and a viable alternative to cigarettes. And that's only one of quite a few different allegations In summary you've managed to frame the question in such a way that ignores both Pence's record as governor and his own corruption allegations, while simultaneously implying that Tim Kaine is both super incompetent and corrupt to the hilt. I guess if you wanted to rephrase your question as something much truer it would be along the lines of: Which is more dangerous for the US: a president who wants to hand the job of being president to their VP, a former governor, whose record is at least ethically questionable and at most corrupt or a president whose vice president is VP because he too, was a governor of, and a fairly successful one, who also has probably made some ethically questionable decisions either as governor or as head of DNC but didn't hand over the chairmanship to Debbie Schultz, because that's ridiculous, his only control over who succeeds him is the ability to make a recommendation which he did not actually do[/QUOTE] Thanks for correcting me on this without insulting me, I'll edit my post.

OK, now Trump pissed me off truly in this debate. Russia has more advanced military then USA?! BULL FUCKING SHIT! Russian military still uses late Soviet weapons for the most part, while US has the most advanced military in the world and not just by having some few fancy equipment, but by average military personal! What a crooked liar, anti-American military and Putin loving shithead. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=smurfy;51114431]He's started: Loading Tweet... [URL]https://twitter.com/passantino/status/780617511813341184[/URL] [/QUOTE] I wish he had a defective mic. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51114442]Not defending Trump - but there were some weird sound issues which are not really acceptable for a presidential debate[/QUOTE] Was there? I'm watching the debate recording and I have not see any technical difficulties beyond one moment when camera pointing to Clinton colour contrast went weird which they fixed quickly.

Boy I hope for a homosexuality question to be asked in the VP N debate just to see what Pence says

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;51115046]God I love that Trump is going to win. Goodbye crooked Hillary and your anti-deplorable fans. You'll thank us when your rich. Trump won, get over it.[/QUOTE]The temptation to post an image macro of that bloke from Mythbusters is overwhelming.

[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/NJc8ucl.png[/img_thumb] Looks like Clinton learned from Sanders well.

Well, I managed to mess up another Facepunch poll. I clicked vote now to vote, and it was already pre-selected to Trump. This is why I shouldn't be awake this early in the morning.

Eugh, Trump couldn't have executed a more painfully obvious power-gesture in body-language. [t]http://i.imgur.com/gXQzlc9.png[/t] I actually cringed.

So.. how did it go? I cant actually watch the video because im using mobile data atm Has any made some kind of highlight reel of the best bits of the debate?

[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51115390]Russian military still uses late Soviet weapons for the most part[/QUOTE] This doesn't really mean anything. The M16, F-15, A-10, etc. are all Cold War era designs.

Well this was an entertaining read. Trump really is the douche of the universe.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;51115635]This doesn't really mean anything. The M16, F-15, A-10, etc. are all Cold War era designs.[/QUOTE] Most of which are modernized, while Russian stuff is very behind modernization efforts despite Putin's strong push for that. [editline]27th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Laferio;51113545]I mean, just humor me here, in an offshoot IF trump won, what would everybody do?[/QUOTE] Freak out initially, then try to calm down that there are two more debates. Afterall, Obama lost his first debate against Romney. So we can now have some sight of relief, but still remain cautious. What I just mentioned with last elections debates can come out true for Trump's favour. We're not out of the woods yet until the very last debate Hillary has to win. Winning second debate is ideal, but not required.

I just want it to be election day already so I can enjoy the next 4 years of darkness or making America a joke again. I haven't gotten all the way through the debate recording but it seems Trump got pretty "Trumped up"

[QUOTE=Kyle902;51113432]is trump fucking saying that we should fucking extort protection money from our nato alllies WHAT THE FUCK[/QUOTE] And many people who vote for him is because they want for US to stop being world police.

[QUOTE=ScriptKitt3h;51113249]"NATO needs to go into the Middle East with us" Like they've been doing for fucking years?![/QUOTE] TIL Afghanistan isn't in Middle East.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51115624]Eugh, Trump couldn't have executed a more painfully obvious power-gesture in body-language. [t]http://i.imgur.com/gXQzlc9.png[/t] I actually cringed.[/QUOTE] What? That looks like a normal handshake, are you just ripping on him for his every movement now?

[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51115709]TIL Afghanistan isn't in Middle East.[/QUOTE] Well yeah as a matter of fact it usually isn't.

[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51115709]TIL Afghanistan isn't in Middle East.[/QUOTE] no not really, only americans refer to it being in the middle east, no clue why [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Middle_East_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/240px-Middle_East_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=mchapra;51115783]no not really, only americans refer to it being in the middle east, no clue why [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Middle_East_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/240px-Middle_East_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] When people talk about the middle east they're usually incorrectly talking about South Asia.

Wait, for real? Neither Afghanistan, Pakistan nor Libya are Middle East?

I just woke up, who are news outlets saying won the debate?

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51115811]I just woke up, who are news outlets saying won the debate?[/QUOTE] Clinton, massively.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51115811]I just woke up, who are news outlets saying won the debate?[/QUOTE] Hillary beat Trump, as expected

[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51115804]Wait, for real? Neither Afghanistan, Pakistan nor Libya are Middle East?[/QUOTE] Tripoli is western to Naples and Prague. Hardly the Middle East.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51115811]I just woke up, who are news outlets saying won the debate?[/QUOTE] breitbart polling is saying 75% trump win. can you believe it? we're going to make america great again! i actually find it hilarious that 15% of breitbart readers think that hillary won the debate too

[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51115804]Wait, for real? Neither Afghanistan, Pakistan nor Libya are Middle East?[/QUOTE] not even the same cultural ties

[QUOTE=CroGamer002;51115804]Wait, for real? Neither Afghanistan, Pakistan nor Libya are Middle East?[/QUOTE] what people think of as the "middle east" is better described as north Africa and west asia

Is it weird that I stayed up till 2am to watch the debates? I feel like that's not a normal thing. Anyway, I think it's fair to say Hillary won, Trump (As Usual) just avoided the questions, and just went for attack, attack, attack. It was also interesting to see the candidates body language while the other was speaking, Trump look visibly flustered, although it might just be arrogance, while Hillary was checking her facts.

-snip, misinterpretation-

[QUOTE=MoralSupport;51115076]VP debate next week. Kaine vs Pence: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/uBsPtL0.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/O3JVc4P.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Pence looks like an abominable snowman.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51115234]Not a Trump supporter but this has confirmed my view that Trump is the lesser evil. If he is so incompetent he cant even debate properly, he would be easily contained by other branches of government.[/QUOTE] Why do people keep saying this? I don't like Clinton, but how can you look at someone so unapologetically corrupt as Donald [i]"I Don't pay taxes because I'm smart"[/i] Trump, with the type of outright scary politicians he has working under him, and the disgusting, divisive, downright racist rhetoric he has used to garner support- support he has often misused for his own ends- and think "o well better than Hillary tho right guys" [b]No![/b] no it's not better than Hillary!. Everything to do with trump is so bad that it's actually making Clinton look good.