Furry rides the plane in his/her suit & documents the entire experience. - General

[QUOTE=minge-killer;49066928]Wearing a fursuit in public is definitely strange (and on an airplane even weirder) but calling them "disgusting" or getting mad about it is pretty silly While I'm sure there's a large sexual element to it, it seems obvious people wear this stuff because it allows them to be confident and socialize when they otherwise couldn't (just like cosplayers), it's not that hard to understand As long as they don't act maliciously I could care less about what other people wear in public[/QUOTE] [I]They have sex in these things[/I]. Assuming they ever actually get laid. Why the hell would you want to be near someone that 1) is wearing one 2) assumes its acceptable to wear one in public.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;49067468][I]They have sex in these things[/I]. Assuming they ever actually get laid. Why the hell would you want to be near someone that 1) is wearing one 2) assumes its acceptable to wear one in public.[/QUOTE] The number of furies who have sexual fetishes (i.e. they whack it to the stuff in the deviantart appreciation station) are a small minority akin to the amount of people have the same sexual attraction to cartoon programs versus the people who watch them. The vast majority of bronies aren't sexually attracted to cartoon horses either, they're just highly autistic. It's a stereotype perpetrated by sites like the chans. Do you really think those places are reliable sources of information? It's just like how, depending on who you ask, all Muslims are terrorists, all Gay people are pedophiles with a 'Gay Agenda', all liberals are socialists, all socialists are communists and all republicans are child-eating sycophants who burn wads of cash to light up their cigars. Most furries wear their creepy costumes because they suffer from social anxiety disorder and wearing a mask and playing a character helps them deal with that. The majority of the small number of furries that DO get into the Deviantart Appreciation Station stuff probably don't do anything with their costumes because they cost thousands of dollars in the first place. Related: [video=youtube;-Fg_bD3UqGA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fg_bD3UqGA[/video] Although not all furries are autistic, there is a significantly higher likelihood of ASP (autism spectrum disorder) in the furry population than in the general population. So the stereotype should be furry = autism not furry = wanting to have sex with animals.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;49065011]wait [img]http://i.imgur.com/Lqs3U0J.png[/img] This was filmed in Sweden?[/QUOTE] Yepp, because the new generation of Swedes are fucking faggots!

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[QUOTE=Zyler;49067423]Well, let's see... -snip- Seriously, give me any other reason there is to have a problem with this besides the fact that it makes you uncomfortable.[/QUOTE] Because unlike cancer and physically disable-ness this is a coping mechanism that one can live without. I get what you're trying to say but it's better, IMO, to not need the coping mechanism rather than simply accept it for what it is.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;49067641]Because unlike cancer and physically disable-ness this is a coping mechanism that one can live without. I get what you're trying to say but it's better, IMO, to not need the coping mechanism rather than simply accept it for what it is.[/QUOTE] and that psychological argument is a totally different thing than the OP making a thread to go 'haha lets laugh at the freak show gosh such disgusting losers now i feel superior to something' i'm glad at least a few people in this thread made an effort to analyse the cause, effect, and reality of the situation

[QUOTE=Zyler;49067423]Well, let's see... Well, it seems that I didn't, but the person I was replying to did. Point is, if you're telling people who do something as a coping mechanism to not use their coping mechanism, you should at least have some kind of understanding of the mental condition that requires them to need a coping mechanism. Otherwise you're just telling people to "get better" because the way they cope makes you uncomfortable even though it doesn't harm anybody. Reminds me of republicans who are afraid of "the gays" getting married even though it doesn't and will never affect them personally, it just makes them uncomfortable. Pretty much if you're saying this, you're arguing that other people should suffer a lower quality of life simply because you're uncomfortable with them, that's literally your only reason. They should suffer for no other reason than because you're uncomfortable. Seriously, give me any other reason there is to have a problem with this besides the fact that it makes you uncomfortable.[/QUOTE] Just because it's a coping mechanism, doesn't mean it's healthy You want to overcome the cause of your coping, not enable it further

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;49066574]Shit, is that Agent Mulder?[/QUOTE] "Scully you're not gonna believe this..."

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;49067728]Just because it's a coping mechanism, doesn't mean it's healthy You want to overcome the cause of your coping, not enable the it further[/QUOTE] Exactly, Hiding behind a mask may help your social anxiety at that moment. But once it's off the anxiety will still be there. Why not learn how to live without it to free yourself from that limited lifestyle? Also, It's no wonder they have anxiety and paranoia, everyone looks at them thinking they're fucking crazy with their fursuits on. That reaction alone boosts their fear of people and supports their addictive coping mechanism.

[QUOTE=Zyler;49067403]Yep, just like... ...People should just stop being fat ...People should just stop being disabled ...People should just stop having cancer... ...etc, etc.[/QUOTE] Well you might have a point in that it does take a special kind of retarded to do something like this person does, but I'm not sure it's an actual disability and can be compared to, you know... things you've listed. And don't pretend like Zang-Pog's post you quoted implies anything like that, it doesn't. Plus, not everything is in fact caused by some underlying psychological trauma and/or lack of confidence. There're a lot of people who are just weird. And I'm not sure instantly assuming someone's suffering from some from of anxiety is better than assuming they have a weird lifestyle.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;49065011]wait [img]http://i.imgur.com/Lqs3U0J.png[/img] This was filmed in Sweden?[/QUOTE] The shot of the takeoff shows it's 100% Stockholm's Arlanda Airport. Landing looks like Munich International Airport Terminal 2 It's a 2 hour long flight, looks long enough that a fursuit shouldn't get too uncomfortable

[QUOTE=gaboer;49067832] It's a 2 hour long flight, looks long enough that a fursuit shouldn't get too uncomfortable[/QUOTE] Not for the person wearing it, anyway.

Wherever it is, it's definitely not the US. While you can be strapped with an assault rifle in an airport terminal in states where the state/municipal law allows, they will make you take any type of mask off immediately. [editline]7th November 2015[/editline] And I enjoy this video more for the mad than for the video itself.

[QUOTE=gudman;49067797]Well you might have a point in that it does take a special kind of retarded to do something like this person does, but I'm not sure it's an actual disability and can be compared to, you know... things you've listed. And don't pretend like Zang-Pog's post you quoted implies anything like that, it doesn't. Plus, not everything is in fact caused by some underlying psychological trauma and/or lack of confidence. There're a lot of people who are just weird. And I'm not sure instantly assuming someone's suffering from some from of anxiety is better than assuming they have a weird lifestyle.[/QUOTE] People have this weird lifestyle because they have extreme anxiety. There's been studies on this stuff as well as interviews with furries about why they don the fur suits and this is the reason they state, hell you can ask any of the furry posters on FP and they'll tell you the same thing. Watch the video I posted or read the posts made earlier by people in this thread explaining the same thing. [editline]7th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=dannass;49067767]Exactly, Hiding behind a mask may help your social anxiety at that moment. But once it's off the anxiety will still be there. Why not learn how to live without it to free yourself from that limited lifestyle? Also, It's no wonder they have anxiety and paranoia, everyone looks at them thinking they're fucking crazy with their fursuits on. That reaction alone boosts their fear of people and supports their addictive coping mechanism.[/QUOTE] You can't "cure" ASP, it's not something that can be "fixed". Having these coping mechanisms allows these people greater mobility in the world in the same way a wheelchair does for a paraplegic. People didn't become furries because people hated furries (since at one time, they didn't exist), they became furries because they had a hard time with social situations before they became furries. In other words, being a furry isn't a symptom, it's the cure. Point is, you're blaming people for something they cannot help. Just like things like cancer are physical conditions that someone can't instantly cure, and people who are overweight don't magically "un-fat" themselves, telling someone with an anxious personality disorder to stop being anxious is just as uniformed and unhelpful and comes from a lack of understanding. You could be wanting to help somebody, but just like name-calling an overweight person doesn't cause them to excercise, telling an anxious person to stop being anxious does more harm than good. I could have explained this better in my original post, but I didn't realize I wasn't being clear enough, sorry.

[QUOTE=4NGRY MUFF1N;49067532]Yepp, because the new generation of Swedes are fucking faggots![/QUOTE] Does that include you?

[QUOTE=Zyler;49067999]People have this weird lifestyle because they have extreme anxiety. There's been studies on this stuff as well as interviews with furries about why they don the fur suits and this is the reason they state, hell you can ask any of the furry posters on FP and they'll tell you the same thing. Watch the video I posted or read the posts made earlier by people in this thread explaining the same thing. [/QUOTE] I am not denying that there are some cases of anxiety propping up this kind of behaviour. I'm just not convinced that there's validity to instantly jumping to conclusion about someone's mental health condition just because they act strange. Sure there're furries that are suffering from anxiety (which is exacerbated rather than helped by their ineffective, to say the least, coping mechanism). Doesn't mean all of them are.

ive seen this vid before and I pretty much wanna die after seeing it its like that foam video jeeez.

[QUOTE=kimr120;49068032]Does that include you?[/QUOTE] Depends on your values and traditions imo.

[QUOTE=4NGRY MUFF1N;49068261]Depends on your values and traditions imo.[/QUOTE] fag just kidding tho sweden is manly and straight and white. They are my heros.

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;49068293]I honestly couldn't give two shits somebody is wearing a dumb carpet costume, but when you're obviously doing it for attention and/or have legit problems with interacting socially without it, you might wanna get that checked. It doesn't matter what the person does, be it a cosplay costume, gasmask or whatever the hell, if you cannot deal with the world without wearing something and hiding yourself behind it, [B][I]get help[/I][/B] Also how about next time you don't put words in my mouth, it's really fucken rude[/QUOTE] Agreed, listen hero bucko. If a RL cat lady tried to fuck me I would go ham on that shit like Captain Kirk uknowwhatimsayin, I be knee deep in that pussy's pussy, just like any other sexually obsessed man. IDGAF. Them Skyrim cats? Shit. Just dont wear that shit as a badge, keep that shit on the DL. You know? Be more aware of your surroundings i know it sucks that you can't be a dogman and I know they all want to be a dogman, but it's like we can't have everything we want and sometimes we gotta abide by certain social rules and shit otherwise you make shit uncomfortable as FUCK.

[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49063908]Used to be a time where there wasnt any sexual connotations with anthropomorphic animation and comics. :wavey:[/QUOTE] The early 90s was a very long time ago.

[QUOTE=BenJammin';49068282]fag just kidding tho sweden is manly and straight and white. They are my heros.[/QUOTE] Most unmanly population since the start of 2005 rise of "feminism"

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49066079]it's not halloween anymore but that sure is scary[/QUOTE] It is actually an old video, and it was done way beyond Halloween context. [editline]7th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zyler;49067403]Yep, just like... ...People should just stop being fat ...People should just stop being disabled ...People should just stop having cancer... ...etc, etc.[/QUOTE] So, you should just live with the facts of being fat/obese, disabled or with cancer, instead of trying to do something about it? Are you fucking insane?

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49068434] So, you should just live with the facts of being fat/obese, disabled or with cancer, instead of trying to do something about it? Are you fucking insane?[/QUOTE] My point was that you can't just tell someone to "stop being fat" because it would just make them eat more, in the same way you can't tell someone to "stop being disabled" or "stop having cancer". If you were actually wanting to help people (and had some kind of psych degree) I could understand, but otherwise you're not helping anybody by pointing and laughing at them. A lot of furries use their costumes as a coping mechanism for serious anxiety issues that can't be easily solved. A lot of it is due to things like ASP (Autism Spectrum Disorder), which is something that affects you throughout your entire life. [QUOTE=Zyler;49067999] You can't "cure" ASP, it's not something that can be "fixed". Having these coping mechanisms allows these people greater mobility in the world in the same way a wheelchair does for a paraplegic. People didn't become furries because people hated furries (since at one time, they didn't exist), they became furries because they had a hard time with social situations before they became furries. In other words, being a furry isn't a symptom, it's the cure. Point is, you're blaming people for something they cannot help. Just like things like cancer are physical conditions that someone can't instantly cure, and people who are overweight don't magically "un-fat" themselves, telling someone with an anxious personality disorder to stop being anxious is just as uniformed and unhelpful and comes from a lack of understanding. You could be wanting to help somebody, but just like name-calling an overweight person doesn't cause them to excercise, telling an anxious person to stop being anxious does more harm than good. [b]I could have explained this better in my original post, but I didn't realize I wasn't being clear enough, sorry.[/b][/QUOTE] There have been studies on this kind of thing, you could also ask furries why they suit up and they'd tell you the same thing. It's a way of dealing with extreme anxiety problems. It affords them a level of mobility that they would not otherwise have in normal life, and the only problem people have with it is that it makes them uncomfortable. I really cannot see the problem with allowing people to behave and dress however they like as long as they aren't hurting anybody. No, they aren't just doing it for attention. Do you honestly think dressing up in a furry animal costume is actually affording them any social benefit? The chans and the internet in general have made it extremely difficult to be a fury on the internet, why would anybody do it if they didn't actually believe it (barring the online furries who are really internet trolls, which we aren't talking about here)? They have a community that supports each other and they create and share videos as a part of that community, it's the people who take those videos and put them up on forum threads in order to point and laugh at the "freaks" who are closer to crossing some kind of boundary here. However, I don't care if you do that, as I said I don't care what anybody does as long as they aren't harming anybody else. [QUOTE=Zang-Pog;49068318]I can't understand this " OH THEY FEEL BAD, YOU CAN'T HAVE NEGATIVE FEELINGS TOWARDS THEM " attitude. Yes I can, if you bring that shit to the public I will fucking judge. Not out loud maybe, because I have some common decency but if you wear that shit out of places made for them, [B]don't complain when people think you're a fucking weirdo[/B]. How hard is that to understand :v:[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't you do it out loud? It's almost as if it's wrong to publicly shame people for having an anxiety disorder. Surely if they're "fucking weirdos" they deserve to be shamed for it, right guys? /s Also this isn't "bringing that shit to the public", someone literally found this video somewhere, which was made months ago, and put it on this website so that we could all point and go "hey, look at the freaks!". If you're fine with that, that's all fine and dandy, but don't pretend that this is anything else when it's not. Seriously though, why does it matter how they dress or what they do?

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;49068318]I can't understand this " OH THEY FEEL BAD, YOU CAN'T HAVE NEGATIVE FEELINGS TOWARDS THEM " attitude. Yes I can, if you bring that shit to the public I will fucking judge. Not out loud maybe, because I have some common decency but if you wear that shit out of places made for them, [B]don't complain when people think you're a fucking weirdo[/B]. How hard is that to understand :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah its like, what if I was an Alieny. What if all I wanted to be was a grey skinned, big eyed alien you know. What if I wore an alien suit on an airplane. Just sayin. [editline]7th November 2015[/editline] I mean im not one though, its just a hypothermic question

Im going to just point out that there is nothing objectively sexual or disgusting about a suit like this. Its a guy dressed like a purple wolf, the suit is kind of creepy but peoples sexual fetishes are irrelevant here. As far as airport stuff goes the only real problem I could see is that you cant see his face to identify him, although I imagine he had to take it off while doing through security and things like that.

[QUOTE=mecaguy03;49068663]Im going to just point out that there is nothing objectively sexual or disgusting about a suit like this. Its a guy dressed like a purple wolf, the suit is kind of creepy but peoples sexual fetishes are irrelevant here. As far as airport stuff goes the only real problem I could see is that you cant see his face to identify him, although I imagine he had to take it off while doing through security and things like that.[/QUOTE] That's a fallacy of disassociation. To people [I]without the knowledge of the society that suit makes the wearer part of,[/I] there is nothing sexual or disgusting. To people [I]with the knowledge of that society,[/I] there are explicitly sexual, potentially disgusting undertones. It's a ray of pure optimism to court "Nonsexualized" or "Chaste" or "Respectable" furrydom as the norm, or even expected norm for furries. There [I]is[/I] something objectively X, Y, and Z about the fursuit because the realities of the society it is worn in impose perceptions on it. Trying to skirt away from it with "objectivism" is like trying to skirt away from Nazi Regalia as being "evil looking" or skulls as being "scary." It's a false form of objectivism that tries to measure the world in atoms and forgets the human beings are thinking creatures, and the common thoughts and perceptions that they bear, objectively, exist. To put a finer point on it, if you'll still uphold "The fursuit is objectively non-sexual or creepy," then would you extend that to a full-body form-fitting latex suit? It might be more [I]revealing[/I] than a fursuit, but we can easily demonstrate that nudity and the human form are not themselves objectively sexual, so by that metric, the latex bodysuit should be as non-sexual as the fursuit because only your beliefs and intuitions about it give it any sexual potency.

Why am I even trying? snip

Are there any zombie games that include zombie fur suiters? That would be a rad zombie to fight.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;49068738]That's a fallacy of disassociation. To people [I]without the knowledge of the society that suit makes the wearer part of,[/I] there is nothing sexual or disgusting. To people [I]with the knowledge of that society,[/I] there are explicitly sexual, potentially disgusting undertones. It's a ray of pure optimism to court "Nonsexualized" or "Chaste" or "Respectable" furrydom as the norm, or even expected norm for furries. There [I]is[/I] something objectively X, Y, and Z about the fursuit because the realities of the society it is worn in impose perceptions on it. Trying to skirt away from it with "objectivism" is like trying to skirt away from Nazi Regalia as being "evil looking" or skulls as being "scary." It's a false form of objectivism that tries to measure the world in atoms and forgets the human beings are thinking creatures, and the common thoughts and perceptions that they bear, objectively, exist. To put a finer point on it, if you'll still uphold "The fursuit is objectively non-sexual or creepy," then would you extend that to a full-body form-fitting latex suit? It might be more [I]revealing[/I] than a fursuit, but we can easily demonstrate that nudity and the human form are not themselves objectively sexual, so by that metric, the latex bodysuit should be as non-sexual as the fursuit because only your beliefs and intuitions about it give it any sexual potency.[/QUOTE] Good point. When I think about things like that I like to lump everything under culture because its a broad term, it makes it simple to talk about. I think it is a good point that while everyone who sees a fursuit like this is will feel differently, it probably isnt a good idea to wear it in an airport because there is the chance it will make people uncomfortable/disgusted. Personally I wouldnt really care, but I imagine some people would. I think that there is an important upper bound to be considered here, of the people who care how much do they care? I think that this can be the difference between something like this being completely unacceptable or being just kind of an asshole thing to do.