Dragon Age: Inquisition features immersively realistic characters - General

It's nitpicking of course, but seriously why does every woman aged 18 through 65 have massive DD tits? It always annoyed me in DA1, and here they still are continuing it in DA3...

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;46529443][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POcPj5Snkvc[/media] It's just so... [I]ugly.[/I][/QUOTE] It's only looks so ugly because they're clearly running it with everything set to the lowest setting. It does not look like that.

[QUOTE=Covalent;46534980]I don't think you understand the internet. It lets us see the game without even having to buy it ourselves. Sure the gameplay aspect is different, but everything else, aka, animations, story, graphics, models, characters, etc etc are the same. So if I have a list of things that I [B]know[/B] I will not like, why in the shit should I fork out my money, for it? That's like paying someone to kick me in the balls. Sure some may enjoy it, but after watching it myself, I'll gladly keep my money and think silly of those who go into it.[/QUOTE] Yes but pretty much all the complaints about Inquisition is how bad the writing is, which you can't know based on a few gameplay previews and some cherry-picked awkward romance scenes, which have always been shit.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46535134]Yes but pretty much all the complaints about Inquisition is how bad the writing is, which you can't know based on a few gameplay previews and some cherry-picked awkward romance scenes, which have always been shit.[/QUOTE] If they've always been shit and nit picked then why haven't they been changed hook line and sinker

[QUOTE=Covalent;46535151]If they've always been shit and nit picked then why haven't they been changed hook line and sinker[/QUOTE] They haven't changed because Bioware can't write romance. Which is why I don't do the romance options in their games.

It's like Bioware Forums and any website filled with "PC MASTERACE" types just seem to want to hate a really good game. The only complaints I heard from people that have actually gone into it with an open mind are the controls are dodgy (which Bioware plan to fix in a patch), the AI teammates are dodgey (which Bioware also claims is a bug that will be patched) and the complaint that pops up the most is it's overwhelming with so much to do.

[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;46532609]Then they would stop getting rave reviews from Polygon and friends :([/QUOTE] Til every major reviewer is in leagues with polygon to help feminists steal your cereal boxes or something.

IDK why anyone who's actually played through DA:I would say the game is objectively bad honestly. It isn't at all and its a far cry from what made DA2 bad. The core of the game itself is pretty good, and most of the game looks pretty damn good. It literally is nit picking when you are taking snippets of a 50-100+ hour game and highlighting how bad it is because you are mad that they didn't make baldur's gate 2014. That's the exact defintintion of what nitpicking is - taking bad parts unrelated to the big picture of a game and highlighting them to have higher importance than they actually do. Yes, those nitpicked aspects of the game are objectively pretty bad. But determining the entire game, structure and all is bad because of awkward animations that are below average quality for the budget of the game and an awkward character intro/cutscene is silly. It is nitpicking because in the grand scheme of the game, that stuff simply doesn't matter and you are missing the point by focusing on it. That said I'm not saying the game is 10/10 because of it. it would be a much stronger game if Bioware stopped being so "holy shit get out of the early 2000's era of video games" in those aspects. Pretending that somehow those elements define the game is silly though and shows you really haven't played it at all. It's hilarious to me how often a game will get massive backlash post-release from people who never played the game in the first place. The only truly disappointing thing about DA:I for me is the fact that it is 2014 and shooters/other genres seem to STILL have a handle on animations, presentation, pacing, etc much better than RPG's do. Its amazing to me how different the standards of quality are between the two genres when they really shouldn't be.

I don't get it why does someone have to play a game to formulate an opinion like damn if you want to buy me the game I'll play it for myself and come up with a written review, and it might shut me up or not, who knows but right now, watching streamers, LP's, videos across the web about it, I can form a fair judgement about parts of the game that look like shit that and parts about catering to a fanbase that doesn't care about games([sp]dumblrs[/sp])

[QUOTE=Covalent;46536208]I don't get it why does someone have to play a game to formulate an opinion [/QUOTE] "I don't get why someone has to watch a movie to form an opinion on it" "I don't get why someone has to eat a steak to form an opinion on it" Such silly logic. LP'ers give you a good idea of a game but its still different from playing it yourself, especially since the very nature of this game relies on player choice and deciding what you want to do (both for story arcs and for gameplay). You miss that entirely by simply watching someone else play it. The only things you get exposed to are the surface level formal aspects of the game, not the scope and story of the game as a whole. Sure you might be able to form an opinion on those specific aspects you see ("huh, character animation is not the greatest", "huh, that character intro was pretty awkward and badly written", etc) but its hardly a basis for an objective opinion on the game as a whole. And I'm willing to bet you didn't watch a LP for more than a few highlighted snippets anyways (vs a full playthrough), completely missing the bigger picture it would provide. Its easy to just watch some dude playing for 5 minutes and think you've seen everything you needed to see. This doesn't really work for many games, unless the game is so far outside of your genre comfort zone that it doesn't register with you at all.

[QUOTE=KorJax;46536356]"I don't get why someone has to watch a movie to form an opinion on it" "I don't get why someone has to eat a steak to form an opinion on it" Such silly logic. LP'ers give you a good idea of a game but its still different from playing it yourself, especially since the very nature of this game relies on player choice and deciding what you want to do (both for story arcs and for gameplay). You miss that entirely by simply watching someone else play it. The only things you get exposed to are the surface level formal aspects of the game, not the scope and story of the game as a whole. Sure you might be able to form an opinion on those specific aspects you see ("huh, character animation is not the greatest", "huh, that character intro was pretty awkward and badly written", etc) but its hardly a basis for an objective opinion on the game as a whole. And I'm willing to bet you didn't watch a LP for more than a few highlighted snippets anyways (vs a full playthrough), completely missing the bigger picture it would provide. Its easy to just watch some dude playing for 5 minutes and think you've seen everything you needed to see. This doesn't really work for many games, unless the game is so far outside of your genre comfort zone that it doesn't register with you at all.[/QUOTE] Except you can form an opinion on a movie, and a steak without seeing, or eating. It's called previews. LP's are exactly that. I like how you completely assume way out of the book bullshit that I'm just trying to spread about this game. Really dude? I don't think this game is the hells bells, nor do I think it's a steaming pile of shit. I never even said that. I think it has a lot wrong with it, that makes it a poor release from a Triple AAA studio. Hell, even people who have been defending the game have even said; "Oh yeah there are problems with it, but you know, they've -always- been there, so we just play it out anyway, and ignore it." Well good for you, congrats for allowing developers to get away with it. It's as if you'd allow some Nazi SS troopers to gas your family because, oh it's always been a problem, oh well, might as well continue. Damn dude. I do not need to play a game, watch a movie, nor eat a damn steak to form an opinion. We're not living in a time where information is passed on by a radio.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;46534207]I want to know how many of you bashing Inquisition have actually played it, rather than just bashing it because of cherry-picked screenshots and a couple of videos. Just curious to know if the game is actually as bad as you're claiming. I'm picking the game up tomorrow and if it's as bad as some people say then Bioware are dead to me. If it's as good as others say then I'll give Bioware another shot.[/QUOTE] I've played Origins,DA2, and currently playing Inquisition with about 16 hours of the game down in the past 3 days. DA2 wasn't THAT bad the way people portray it, it really didn't live up to Origins success and standards. Even though they cut corners in various areas IE same dungeon 500 times it wasn't that bad of a game. Inquisition is definately better than DA2 but not as good as Origins. The open-world type deal is pretty fun because you can explore the region,collect resources, seal rifts, and do your typical quests. Combat isn't the best but it certainly is more enjoyable than Origins but not as fun as DA2s. Characters are about mid-ground really decent portion of them are about on level with Origins and aren't as cardboard as DA2, despite popular belief Sera isn't that bad. At my current level I haven't even gotten pasted the first few big quests and about 16 hours of random questing,resource gathering, so forth. The game in fairness is a solid 8.5-9/10. It's certainly isn't super amazing good but hating it for a few screenshots is pretty fucking extreme.

Welp... Time to reinstall DA1.

I've played one run of Witcher 2. That was enough to make me notice how shit Bioware was at handling everything in their storyline. Sure, some Mass Effect characters were very memorable, but I mostly played the game for the characters, since the storyline was just more or less a reason for them to be there in the first place. Especially after Mass Effect 3's ending, it's just discredits everything you've done for these characters. The endings changed too much of the world for it to matter how little you changed it before then. At the end of Witcher 2, I already felt like my choices mattered more than I ever thought they would. Even if Witcher 3 makes very little mentions of what happened in Witcher 2 (It wouldn't make sense for them to be mentioned a lot, since Geralt moved very far away from his involuntary political career), I'll still be very satisfied of Witcher's 2 ending.

the first Dragon Age was AWESOME, and the dlcs were too. Something about DAI... just doesn't seem right. :v: the UI looks like a Mac.

Real shame pretty much everyone here is shitting on DA:I based on some very selectively picked videos and screenshots. The game has been really good in my 20 hours so far. The Bioware hate has blown completely out of proportion and it's fucking stupid when a actual great game suffers for it.

I got the game and I'm really enjoying. I urge people to give it a try at a friends house. It's definitely not the greatest RPG ever made but it's a solid game that's got me addicted.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;46540052]why is it so bad to have ugly characters in videogames? also bioware animations since mass effect at least have always been fucking awful[/QUOTE] Ugly is fine. The problem is that these characters look like bootleg action figures slathered in vegetable oil. Dishonored is a good example of generally ugly characters that still look like people. DA:I's graphics are just shitty.

[QUOTE=Covalent;46536208]I don't get it why does someone have to play a game to formulate an opinion like damn if you want to buy me the game I'll play it for myself and come up with a written review, and it might shut me up or not, who knows but right now, watching streamers, LP's, videos across the web about it, I can form a fair judgement about parts of the game that look like shit that and parts about catering to a fanbase that doesn't care about games([sp]dumblrs[/sp])[/QUOTE] You can formulate an opinion without playing it but it's not gonna be very well informed and all your evidence is gonna come from cherry picked stuff you've seen online. Not to say Inquisition isn't bad, cuz I haven't played it. But I played Dragon Age 2 and I can tell you exactly what sucks about it because I actually experienced it instead of hearing second-hand what the experience is like. I also don't mean to say you should buy the game, cuz yeah you probably aren't gonna enjoy it at all. But it makes your opinion that much less credible when you don't have the experience to back it up.

[QUOTE=LordApocca;46539179]Real shame pretty much everyone here is shitting on DA:I based on some very selectively picked videos and screenshots. The game has been really good in my 20 hours so far. The Bioware hate has blown completely out of proportion and it's fucking stupid when a actual great game suffers for it.[/QUOTE] Always the same people rating posts like this dumb because they can't accept that a game they've predetermined is bad for bad reasons might not actually be bad Its funny to me that there are actually people on the internet who spread intense vitriol towards a game based simply from a few highlighted snippets while ignoring everything else that is good or even not playing the game at all. All because in doing so it affirms a (completely stupid) agenda they have against a specific game or company. If your opinion on a game completely changes if you sincerely took that game out of context from previous games in the series, the company that made or published it or any other context surrounding it... its going to be a shitty and biased opinion. Avoid doing that, otherwise you are honestly no better than stuff fox news does. Again, not saying "GUH EVERYTHING IS FLAWLESS IN THIS GAME I GOTTA SILENCE THE H8ERS" but pretending like the entire game is a travesty because of a stupid character intro is moron-levels of logic. There are stupid parts to the game that shouldn't be the way they are, but they are so far removed from the entire point and experience the game offers I honestly think its a joke when people see videos like what is posted in this thread and think the entire game is actually like that.

korjax it really sounds like you have some buyers remorse or something and you have to defend this games honor no matter what

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46540211]Ugly is fine. The problem is that these characters look like bootleg action figures slathered in vegetable oil. Dishonored is a good example of generally ugly characters that still look like people. DA:I's graphics are just shitty.[/QUOTE] Not all of them look like that honestly DA;I doesn't have the most mindblowing representation of people on the planet but it really isn't that bad. You are making it sound like they look worse than the potato heads of Oblivion, when for 90% of the characters that isn't the case at all. It makes me think you haven't played the game at all if this is an opinion you are seriously hold for the game as a whole to the degree you are implying. Some characters look bad, most look pretty average visually, some look pretty good. [editline]21st November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Covalent;46542074]korjax it really sounds like you have some buyers remorse or something and you have to defend this games honor no matter what[/QUOTE] Or maybe I'm not delusional with hatred for Bioware for a dumb reason because I prefer not taking shitty stances towards things based on poor logical reasoning I've been renting the game for free on a free rental membership so honestly there is no cost out of my pocket I'm not saying the game is 10/10 my favorite game ever but damn it is a joke that people are actually convincing themselves the game is bad for stupid reasons before even playing it

[QUOTE=Covalent;46542074]korjax it really sounds like you have some buyers remorse or something and you have to defend this games honor no matter what[/QUOTE] He's barely even defending the game though, he's just saying it isn't the biggest piece of shit ever made, which is a fair thing to say about it It's pretty much like Dragon Age 2 by the looks of it, blows hard in comparison to DAO but really it's just mediocre as a game on its own

[IMG]http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2014/324/7/d/edited_model_preview_by_marcometalwolf-d871rm9.png[/IMG] JESUS CHRIST

Glad they includeda downs syndrome character.

[QUOTE=LordApocca;46539179]Real shame pretty much everyone here is shitting on DA:I based on some very selectively picked videos and screenshots. The game has been really good in my 20 hours so far. The Bioware hate has blown completely out of proportion and it's fucking stupid when a actual great game suffers for it.[/QUOTE] Everyone's nitpicking it to death and being anal as possible about it. If this game came out first, and DA2 and Origins hadn't been made yet, Everyone would be gagging on Bioware's dick for more more more. It's a good game and even if you think it isn't, it's certainly better than 95% of the shit we've got in the past 2 years

[QUOTE=KorJax;46542094]Not all of them look like that honestly DA;I doesn't have the most mindblowing representation of people on the planet but it really isn't that bad. You are making it sound like they look worse than the potato heads of Oblivion, when for 90% of the characters that isn't the case at all. It makes me think you haven't played the game at all if this is an opinion you are seriously hold for the game as a whole to the degree you are implying. Some characters look bad, most look pretty average visually, some look pretty good.[/QUOTE] I think you're misinterpreting people's complaints. The issue is not that the flaws with the characters and the graphics and the animation and the writing are necessarily universal, but that the flaws that are there are so glaring and blatant that you would have to be completely incompetent to miss them. the iron bull's design is broken. He has the anatomy of a fucking fist of the north star villain. His neck [I]does not work.[/I] If you could see the boom mic in Citizen Kane, that wouldn't necessarily make it a bad movie. But it would be fucking [I]embarrassing.[/I] [editline]21st November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=TheTalon;46542559] If this game came out first, and DA2 and Origins hadn't been made yet, Everyone would be gagging on Bioware's dick for more more more.[/QUOTE] I think you're being delusional

[QUOTE=HWECQI;46542520]He's barely even defending the game though, he's just saying it isn't the biggest piece of shit ever made, which is a fair thing to say about it It's pretty much like Dragon Age 2 by the looks of it, blows hard in comparison to DAO but really it's just mediocre as a game on its own[/QUOTE] Its far better than DA2. It doesn't blow hard in comparison to DA:O, its just not as great. It's not mediocre on its own, its actually quite good.

[QUOTE=Skyward;46544239]Its far better than DA2. It doesn't blow hard in comparison to DA:O, its just not as great. It's not mediocre on its own, its actually quite good.[/QUOTE] I probably shoulda been a bit more specific with what i meant yeah it looks way better than 2 does and I'm actually considering playing it since the people who have actually played it seem to like it [editline]21st November 2014[/editline] I was more trying to say that the guy wasn't just blindly defending it, he was admitting faults it had but still praising it for what it did right

I bet the creation of this section started with "Hey intern come over here".