Forum Discussion v5 - Imagine if you used Ignore List. - General

That partial quoting looks really handy.

A lot of those changes look great, but I'm not a big fan of the mouse-over spoiler tags. I feel like it could be too easy to accidentally reveal something to yourself when there's a lot of spoilers on a page. Visually I do kinda like the blurring though. Makes spoiler-heavy pages look less like FBI documents and more like I'm crying and my eyes are fucked up.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52890966]how do you not notice an entire new subforum popping up[/QUOTE] When your usual rounds on facepunch consist of SH --> Polidicks --> RC --> Ticker --> Off to another site you tend to miss a lot of shit going on. Hell, only reason I'm even in this thread at all was because I was scoping out a post someone got banned for.

How does the spoiler tags work with touchscreens?

I remember blurry spoiler tags was implemented on this site before, but only to get removed moments later because people were abusing the shit out of them.

Dont forget that fp_read also has the "recently created threads" section - I find that quite useful for finding new threads.

[QUOTE=gunguy765;52893908]I remember blurry spoiler tags was implemented on this site before, but only to get removed moments later because people were abusing the shit out of them.[/QUOTE] that was the best because not only did they work on images, but they also stacked. i remember blurring goatse so much you could barely tell what it was till you moused over it. good times

[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;52893905]How does the spoiler tags work with touchscreens?[/QUOTE] Tap on them, just like the normal blackout ones

I admit that I've noticed that relying on popular and read made my browsing habbits very very bad and .. kind of empty. Like going to the fridge 5 minutes after you already found nothing good in it. I've recently changed that a bit, like, ... browsing with more... conciousness. And it made browsing the forums much more enjoyable.

fp_read is really useful for keeping up with megathreads that have posts often enough not to require subscribing. I check the couple of subforums I'm interested in for new threads occasionally and the recently created threads / posts (when not 80% filled with spam/news bots) is also nice for finding stuff in other categories. Personally I feel fp_read is one of the best features of Facepunch which really sets it apart from other forums our there (and of course how the layout makes use of pixels outside the middle 800). [editline]16th November 2017[/editline] What is the difference between allowing people to check one page or forcing them to refresh a different page per forum they give a shit about? That's what I used to do and it wastes so much time.

The issue is that these forums have become a collection of chat rooms instead of being used by forums. The value of creating a new thread is diminished because no one will see it. So everyone just sticks to the chat rooms. Only venturing out when one of them is closed and recreated. That’s not a forum.

The issue with Facepunch is the unifying theme is... Facepunch? Video games? Garry's Mod is shoved to the bottom and Rust is completely separate, so it isn't very surprising the rest is just other communities that manifested over time.

[QUOTE=garry;52894315]The issue is that these forums have become a collection of chat rooms instead of being used by forums. The value of creating a new thread is diminished because no one will see it. So everyone just sticks to the chat rooms. Only venturing out when one of them is closed and recreated. That’s not a forum.[/QUOTE] sub-communities are an unavoidable part of large forums though, especially on general discussion forums like this one. idk about you but I sure as shit can't keep up with every single one of the 15000 or so active members. I've been a member of a grand total of 3 forums that didn't have sub-communities and all of them are about a specific subject and all had less than 100 active members. [editline]15th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=sam6420;52894420]Kill all chat threads. God I hate chat threads, just discord in a worse format. [editline]15th November 2017[/editline] Games and discussion.[/QUOTE] it's not really a games forum anymore, and hasn't been for a hell of a long time. it's been firmly a general discussion forum since long before you joined. the only unifying trait of members of this forum is that most of them have played garry's mod at some point.

I'd much rather have the old kinds of threads back where people contribute for a theme, collaborative work, research about a topic and so on instead of ...thematic chatting. Sure it was slower back then but I didn't notice since I didn't check the forums like... every day. Made stuff more interesting and a bit more priductive imo

[QUOTE=garry;52894315]The issue is that these forums have become a collection of chat rooms instead of being used by forums. The value of creating a new thread is diminished because no one will see it. So everyone just sticks to the chat rooms. Only venturing out when one of them is closed and recreated.[/QUOTE] That seems unavoidable unless you try to ban casual chatting or depersonalize the site, and we're probably not big enough for the latter to work.

[QUOTE=garry;52894315]The issue is that these forums have become a collection of chat rooms instead of being used by forums. The value of creating a new thread is diminished because no one will see it. So everyone just sticks to the chat rooms. Only venturing out when one of them is closed and recreated. That’s not a forum.[/QUOTE] I dont do that, the fp_read is really unorganized for me so I usually just browse the forum and manually click on the new posts button.

I don't know if I buy the second part. Yeah, it is true that a large amount of the most popular and active threads are chat threads, but I only really see an inactivity problem when we're talking subforums like mapping and garry's mod. New threads in FT, GD, etc. usually don't have a problem if there's something to post about.

i get where you’re coming from, garry, but getting rid of fp_read entirely is just a pain in the ass no matter how you slice it. fundamentally it’s just about usability. no one wants to hunt around just to find a response to a simple question they posted.

[img]https://i.gyazo.com/b1e68ab03a5968d58d8919d78ca2e6e7.png[/img] i get the drama is kind of embarrassing and out of place but are we really going with 1 day for sobot and 1 [I]month[/I] for zilla? that doesn't seem fair at all sobotnik is kind of a notoriously terrible poster, the perma should've stuck if you're going to hit zillamaster with a month for drama considering sobot's role in it

I just wanted to give my two cents about the current ratings on Newpunch. I know this is definitely not set in stone so I'm just gonna say what I think about it so far. [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/jrorjX6.png[/IMG] As of now I think the only new ratings that should stay are the bottom row, coin, and diamond. Like I said before, most of the new ones feel a bit redundant. Sympathy could easily be represented by a heart like it's been doing on Facepunch, Cookie just seems like a quirky version of Agree, Good Idea could be also represented by Agree, and Snowflake/Child Molester/Baby/Asshole just feel like harsher ways of rating Dumb (you'll probably see way more people caring about ratings because of this too). I can also see Cute being implied with a Love rating too but it doesn't seem too bad. I'm glad that Bad Reading/Spelling are back, and I think Winner and Zing should come back as well. Lucky and Big Woop seem like good ratings. Three small things I'd also like to suggest is greying out Coin/Diamond if you don't have enough money to use the rating, putting coin and diamond together in the list, and getting an icon for Coin that fits the other Microsoft emoji designs (I'm assuming the current one is temporary anyway but I'd rather bring it up anyway just in case). Currently Newpunch as a whole is looking promising, can't wait to see what else is added.

I can't believe Garry is canceling Rust to work on a new forum.

[QUOTE=garry;52894315]The issue is that these forums have become a collection of chat rooms instead of being used by forums. The value of creating a new thread is diminished because no one will see it. So everyone just sticks to the chat rooms. Only venturing out when one of them is closed and recreated. That’s not a forum.[/QUOTE] Personally I think it's silly to rigidly define a forum and then complain when the site doesn't strictly adhere to that definition A site that's the framework for a community will be used exactly how that community sees fit, and I think it's a bad idea to try to force said community to use it a different way via some kind of radical redesign as more often than not this just ends up killing it (Anyone remember Digg?) As "traditional" forums like ours become larger and larger each individual megathread sort of becomes its own smaller forum, with several discussion "threads" going on at once sometimes, and new posts about different topics acting as new "thread" starters. I much prefer it this way as the flow of discussion feels way more natural and similar topics don't need to be segregated from each other. If I had to make a new thread for each new topic that I post in a megathread/"chat" thread now it would just be a clusterfuck and I (and I imagine most other people) probably wouldn't even bother [editline]0[/editline] Remember the last time we tried to discourage megathreads via 25 page thread limits? The popular mega/chat threads ended up just having a new one every few days (In the case of CIPWTTKT, it was 4 days per thread :v:) instead of your vision of some sort of 1000 different thread forum utopia

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52894588] i get the drama is kind of embarrassing and out of place but are we really going with 1 day for sobot and 1 [I]month[/I] for zilla?[/QUOTE] kiwi probably should've put it in the ban reason since people keep saying this lol but the only reason it's a month and not also a day is because zilla specifically asked us to make the ban for a month i'll just edit the ban reason

those two posts are sad af :(

In the same room as Zilla IRL, she requested the ban. Its bs that sobot is only getting a day ban though

Sobotniks post was pretty fuckin disgustin, along with his "transsexualism is the annihilation of self" shit he posted

I don't understand how there's a debate over something that horrible being posted, including them having an awful ban history as already mentioned by a mod.

[QUOTE=Amber902;52894631]Its bs that sobot is only getting a day ban though[/QUOTE] well here's my logic: it's literally a thread for people to say why they're against transgenderism, so yea people are gonna say some pretty fuckin controversial stuff I'm sure. That being said tho I'd rather have moderation be lax in that thread so everyone feels like they can speak their mind and, like I think Rusty mentioned, the thread can be like an educational experience for people to then debate and (hopefully) learn from each other. I think when it became a personal grudge match between the two of them is where it went too far and that's where we needed to step in to give short bans. sobot's ban history isn't that bad so I don't see the reason for a really long ban, and the only reason it was a permaban in the first place is because we mixed him up with someone who was on final warning before we later realized our mistake.

Honestly, it should've been perma until the final decision was reached, giving them a day ban sets up expectation that they're going to be let off the hook.