Forum Discussion v5 - Imagine if you used Ignore List. - General

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52894663]3 permabans is not that bad?[/QUOTE] uh i see two that actually matter (were you really including a toxx in that count lol), the last of which was from 44 months ago so yea, why would i still care about that?

I'm noticing the mod team making a lot of... controversial choices lately. Is this something that happened a lot before, too, or a recent development? Edit: Not taking sides for the record.

Like the situation is fucked up and he's clearly an asshole but I'm not sure it's so cut and dry because interpersonal drama shouldn't have too much to do with your forum standing It's shitty to drag it out into the open and sure that deserves a ban but I don't particularly think it's [i]permaban[/i] worthy [editline]0[/editline] It's up to the mods if it's "asshole we don't want on the forums" territory

[QUOTE=postal;52894674]uh i see two that actually matter (were you really including a toxx in that count lol), the last of which was from 44 months ago so yea, why would i still care about that?[/QUOTE] He outright calls trans people "destruction of the self" with blatantly awful bigotry beforehand and a lengthy ban history and he gets 1 day? And now what's this about "who cares about ban history"? You've been banning people with increasing lengths of ban for years and suddenly it doesn't matter? This is disgusting.

[QUOTE=postal;52894674]uh i see two that actually matter (were you really including a toxx in that count lol), the last of which was from 44 months ago so yea, why would i still care about that?[/QUOTE] genuine question: whats the cooldown on permabans that later got unbanned being considered a "last chance", then? I always figured a bounce back from a perma meant you were on a thin rope forever

[QUOTE=kariko;52894684]He outright calls trans people "destruction of the self" with blatantly awful bigotry beforehand and a lengthy ban history and he gets 1 day?[/QUOTE] Well it is a thread for controversial opinions. are you guys expecting us to have a thread for sharing why you don't like trans people then ban anyone that admits to it or something lol. [QUOTE=kariko;52894684]And now what's this about "who cares about ban history"? You've been banning people with increasing lengths of ban for years and suddenly it doesn't matter? This is disgusting.[/QUOTE] uh good thing I def didn't say that then?? why'd you put that in quotes lol

[QUOTE=Judas;52894687]genuine question: whats the cooldown on permabans that later got unbanned being considered a "last chance", then? I always figured a bounce back from a perma meant you were on a thin rope forever[/QUOTE] it's mod discretion but generally i go with like a year. sometimes i'll just give another last chance if it's been a long time since the last one was established

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52894693]If a user continually makes posts that get them[B] perma banned 3 times[/B] and then just continues on doing so, what is the point of giving them more chances?[/QUOTE] why do you keep saying 3 times. it was 2 times, and again they were YEARS ago good grief.

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yeah I don't see the point in harping on about the permabans man sobotnik is a terrible poster but his bans don't really have anything to do with recent habits

[QUOTE=postal;52894689]Well it is a thread for controversial opinions. are you guys expecting us to have a thread for sharing why you don't like trans people then ban anyone that admits to it or something lol. uh good thing I def didn't say that then?? why'd you put that in quotes lol[/QUOTE] But whats too far? If i go in there and say "Yeah I hate transgender people because one gave me a dirty look" is that okay? Sob said some pretty fucked up things, less moderated space or not. [QUOTE] It's not just wrong, it can destroy people[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Eventually one day they will develop a uterus transplant for transsexuals - something which should be banned for ethical reasons (a fetus developing in a cocktail of hormones in a male body isn't going to turn out healthy). Surgeons will inevitably attempt it, because they are interested in impressive surgeries that can potentially advance their career.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I feel as though among the mistakes I've made in life - helping somebody to destroy their own identity is a grievous sin indeed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]its difficult to talk about when increasingly society is coming to support transsexuals in both an informal and official capacity[/QUOTE] [editline]15th November 2017[/editline] yeah a permaban is a lot but 1 day for what amounts to him harping about how all his friends are bad because they've transitioned is nothing

Guys the thread is asking for anti-trans people to come forward, of course there are going to be anti-trans posts in there. I don't agree with it, but don't act like it's a surprise when it's exactly what the OP asked for.

I really wouldn't flinch if sobotnik was perma'd because the issue to me isn't really that he holds a controversial opinion or w/e but more that he seems to take such delight in twisting the knife so to speak he said a lot of pointlessly cruel shit that was obviously just to hurt people and it obviously worked, that's not okay It's one thing to be like "yeah i think it's unnatural" etc but that's not what sobot was doing in there, he was exploiting personal relationships he had with individual users to hurt and abuse them by playing off what is obviously (and for good reason) a sensitive issue

[QUOTE=postal;52894689]Well it is a thread for controversial opinions. are you guys expecting us to have a thread for sharing why you don't like trans people then ban anyone that admits to it or something lol.[/QUOTE] It's a bit hard to separate "controversial opinion" and "being a horrible person" when getting to the former involves working backwards from the latter most of the time in regards to this subject. The best you can do is ask people to be civil about it which Sobotnik clearly wasn't.

[QUOTE=postal;52894689]Well it is a thread for controversial opinions. are you guys expecting us to have a thread for sharing why you don't like trans people then ban anyone that admits to it or something lol. uh good thing I def didn't say that then?? why'd you put that in quotes lol[/QUOTE] Really, you want to be pedantic now? Then excuse me: "why should I care about a permaban from 44 months ago". Now can we discuss my actual point? Someone with such an awful ban history saying blatantly inflammatory/bigoted junk getting 1 day is awful.

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;52894704]But whats too far? If i go in there and say "Yeah I hate transgender people because one gave me a dirty look" is that okay? Sob said some pretty fucked up things, less moderated space or not.[/QUOTE] well, first off if they're just saying "kill all trans" or any silly shit like that I'd ban them. and also effort comes into play as well, the drive-by shitposting schmucks that already got banned obviously aren't interested in having a debate so fuck em. [QUOTE=Reds;52894716]The best you can do is ask people to be civil about it which Sobotnik clearly wasn't.[/QUOTE] yea, and that's why they got banned. honestly, i doubt we'd even be having this discussion if it wasn't for the fact that sobotnik's ban looks like nothing next to zilla's 1 month ban which is understandable, but again if it wasn't for that ban request I would've just given both of them short bans to cool off.[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52894710]Guys the thread is asking for anti-trans people to come forward, of course there are going to be anti-trans posts in there. I don't agree with it, but don't act like it's a surprise when it's exactly what the OP asked for.[/QUOTE] this dude gets it

[QUOTE=postal;52894689]Well it is a thread for controversial opinions. are you guys expecting us to have a thread for sharing why you don't like trans people then ban anyone that admits to it or something lol. uh good thing I def didn't say that then?? why'd you put that in quotes lol[/QUOTE] I actually agree with you but I think the lol's feel a bit needlessly condescending.

[QUOTE=kariko;52894728]Really, you want to be pedantic now? Then excuse me: "why should I care about a permaban from 44 months ago".[/quote]lmao it's not being pedantic at all. you were literally claiming i said something i didn't even remotely say. big difference there dude. [quote]Now can we discuss my actual point? Someone with such an awful ban history saying blatantly inflammatory/bigoted junk getting 1 day is awful.[/QUOTE] sure. I don't think their ban history was awful.

[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;52894739]I actually agree with you but I think the lol's feel a bit needlessly condescending.[/QUOTE] postal types like that in every reply he ever does, its just the way he types

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52894747]postal types like that in every reply he ever does, its just the way he types[/QUOTE] yea it's really just a reflex at this point but I probably should try to stop doing that seeing as how I'm an admin now and meant to take over for hezzy while he sleeps.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52894747]postal types like that in every reply he ever does, its just the way he types[/QUOTE] I know but it probably doesn't help when people think he's being deflective.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52894722]What is the point of this thread anymore? Every single time people come here with some sort of serious issue it's the same song and dance every single time. deflect move goal posts deflect move goal posts deflect move goal posts and then when it gets too obvious what's happening the topic is banned or pushed off to some other avenue that makes it easier to ignore. Except its not working because it becomes more and more obvious each time.[/QUOTE] idgi how am I moving goal posts? and why do you keep saying "DEFLECTION" every time i give you an answer?? sorry if you don't like the answer but i'm not just gonna blindly agree to anything you say. you guys are getting a bit too wound up about this. I'm happy to discuss this but try and drop the hostility a bit.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52894710]Guys the thread is asking for anti-trans people to come forward, of course there are going to be anti-trans posts in there. I don't agree with it, but don't act like it's a surprise when it's exactly what the OP asked for.[/QUOTE] Of course anti-trans posts are fine in it. That's why it's there so people can educate others and learn about things. What he did is way beyond simply saying "I don't like trans people" or "I don't agree with them".

Tbh I thought the whole thread was an idiot cull at first.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52894769]Tbh I thought the whole thread was an idiot cull at first.[/QUOTE] it isnt?

I feel like the gap in understanding here lies with 2 things 1) Just how awful the post was (Really awful, but its hard to objectively tie the length of a ban to that) 2) The idea of there being a statute of limitations on bans in regards to ban history affecting punishments There's really no need for any hostility (which is misplaced to begin with) when these are two very valid concerns with no clearly understood answer atm

Can someone fill me in on what happened? I can't figure out which posts were part of whatever everyone is talking about.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52894780]1) Just how awful the post was (Really awful, but its hard to objectively tie the length of a ban to that)[/QUOTE] personally I'd consider any post going on about how they're against something like transgenderism period to be awful, but like I said before it's literally the goal of the thread. I think having some sorta "awfulness threshold" gets a bit much and just leads to a lot of bitching. it's easier to just say talk about whatever you want and debate endlessly amongst yourself, just try not to shitpost or start stabbing each other over your opinions. [QUOTE=Duck M.;52894780]2) The idea of there being a statute of limitations on bans in regards to ban history affecting punishments[/QUOTE] that's probably something we could clarify on those mod guidelines or something since it's pretty much just always been a subjective thing. maybe a simple standard would be don't care if something happened over a year ago and the users baaarely had any bans since, and if it's over 2 years ago absolutely don't care period. but i'm just spit-balling.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52894789]Can someone fill me in on what happened? I can't figure out which posts were part of whatever everyone is talking about.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;52894588][img]https://i.gyazo.com/b1e68ab03a5968d58d8919d78ca2e6e7.png[/img][/QUOTE] Interpersonal drama leaks into a controversial topic thread via a fucking terrible post, torches and pitchforks ensue with added fuel to the fire because of an initial ban related misunderstanding (the month ban was requested and the permaban was reduced because of a mistaken identity) while the mods try to sort all this shit out

There is so a limit on what should be allowed or not. Something like "I don't like transpeople because X" would be fine depending on language. And then you have that horrid post Sobotnik made. That crossed the line and then went several miles past it.