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[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52895344]Have we discussed possibly giving SH the same treatment Polidicks gets in terms of reliable sources? It seems to work marvelously well in Polidicks.[/QUOTE] Huh. I'm surprised they weren't [quote] Should those rules extend site wide or would that cause issues?[/quote] what? and I mean, right in the header of the polidicks rules [quote]These are generally what you were used to within SH. Because of the political issues, I expect this subforum to take on a more serious tone.[/quote] SH has ratings, more puns, etc. and is just more casual. If you want it forced to have similar standards you may as well just merge them back together.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52895544]Huh. I'm surprised they weren't what[/QUOTE] Say a breaking story happens and a credible major media outlet hasn't picked it up yet. SH is more lax with sources, basically just requiring you to post one at all, unlike Polidicks which requires a [I]good[/I] source to be posted. I'd like to see Polidicks level of source monitoring site wide but I feel like there might be some backlash or small issues like the one above.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52895564]Say a breaking story happens and a credible major media outlet hasn't picked it up yet. SH is more lax with sources, [B]basically just requiring you to post one at all,[/B] unlike Polidicks which requires a [I]good[/I] source to be posted. I'd like to see Polidicks level of source monitoring site wide but I feel like there might be some backlash or small issues like the one above.[/QUOTE]Are you sure about that? The rules still mention that it has to be reliable. Polidicks just goes a bit further saying to also try to use a neutral one, and it gives a website you can use if you're unsure. I don't know why you would want it for the rest of the forum anyways. You could say it matters for news forums because the OP can set the tone for the news story, but if it's like a debate in unpopular opinions why not just call them a dummy with shit sources.

[QUOTE=343N;52895306]so i turned off cleartype and it looks atrocious so i'm not keepign it off, but with it on it's still too thick (even after adjusting cleartype) [img]https://i.imgur.com/v3he2Dt.png[/img] it's literally just the titles though, everything else is fine[/QUOTE] You say atrocious but that's been how I've rolled for years. I've turned cleartype on a couple times, but it just isn't the same, I like my sharp pixely letters. I dislike using Chrome for forcing cleartype on, to me it makes the letters look ever so slightly blurry.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52895650]I dislike using Chrome for forcing cleartype on, to me it makes the letters look ever so slightly blurry.[/QUOTE] i am reading your post in chrome with cleartype disabled it's only "forced on" in a few parts of the dev tools which is probably a bug

[QUOTE=%%;52895659]i am reading your post in chrome with cleartype disabled it's only "forced on" in a few parts of the dev tools which is probably a bug[/QUOTE] What really? Chrome (which I keep around as a backup browser incase something doesn't work on Firefox) has had cleartype forced on for me for over a year, I assumed it was just something they did in an update. I guess mine is just bugged, that's peculiar. Huh, well thanks for the intel.

[QUOTE=Scratch.;52893352]I rarely subscribe to threads now. I did post before that fp_read is a large portion of my traffic. But I also use it's consolidated list of new threads from every category (because it's faster, but probably worse, at discovery). You could probably dig my post up from a couple weeks ago, but I doubt anyone really cares enough about this to.[/QUOTE] Subscriptions is the most convenient. Though trying to actually maintain your subscriptions list results in issues like this if you're not careful: [img]https://i.imgur.com/JIxrcMa.png[/img] (5 more subscriptions and I'll reach the number in my username, never thought that'd actually happen.) There's no easy way to cull old and inactive threads other than going through the entire thing page by page. Which is kinda a huge chore since only 80 threads can be displayed per page. [QUOTE=WrathOfCat;52893983]Dont forget that fp_read also has the "recently created threads" section - I find that quite useful for finding new threads.[/QUOTE] Personally I use subscribed threads for threads I want to keep track of and the ticker for finding new shit in subforums I don't frequent often. The only ones I really bother checking manually are SH and Polidicks other than the occasional thread ending so I have to go find the new one.

Jesus Christ you people with controversies, just don't take the bait. For that exact reason i've blocked out SH/Polidicks/several threads from other forums, for the exact reason i don't fill up my brain with things i don't want to think about for few days. I have other things to care about that are not controversial topics. Sorry for bringing that shit again. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;52895959] Personally I use subscribed threads for threads I want to keep track of and the ticker for finding new shit in subforums I don't frequent often. [/QUOTE] I use fp_read for that because if I lose interest in the topic I can just click mark unread, and after a while it will remove itself anyway if I don't read it.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52894653]I ask considering how fucked up this situation is for zilla that this not be dragged out and the conclusion on most peoples mind right now is made real ASAP. There is no debating what was done was by far one of the most horrific things thing a FPer has ever done to another user, and I don't mean hurr durr help me with my penis models, this is someone[B] having been manipulated and having been used as a guinea pig for an unethical experiment for what might have been months or years and then being publicly shamed as such in front of everyone.[/B] A ban is probably not going to soften the blow of what just happened much, I can't imagine how they feels in their situation, but it is reflective of FPs attitude toward this kind sustained emotional abuse. a perma ban is literally the smallest consequence the user in question deserves.[/QUOTE] Allow me to throw my hat into this ring. I know Sobotnik well, and I know what was going on behind the scenes in this scenario. Sobotnik was consulting a friend of theirs who is well-known as an alt-right shitheel who drunk too much of the koolaid they were brewing for fools and went down the rabbithole of idiocy. This isn't an issue of Sobotnik being anti-trans. Up until now I've been able to swallow that bitter pill despite being a Billy Big Bollocks pro-trans person myself. The problem is that Sobotnik has wilfully hurt a member (and several others) of this community. [B]To combat this kind of behavior, you must understand it. Allow me to preface this: [U]I make no excuses for Sobotnik's behavior. What he did is unspeakable.[/U] But, understanding is the key to enlightenment.[/B] What Sobotnik said, I understand where it comes from. When I was younger my gender identity was very confused and I was unsure of what I was doing with my self. At the time I was in a relationship with a trans woman older than me-- whom was of-age whereas I was under age -- and she used me for sexual gratification and the thrill of twisting someone. I'll spare the details but, suffice to say, she was a victim of abuse who felt 'at home' by abusing others, as much as she loathed to admit it. She hurt several people -- in the tens -- while I knew her, and I was one of her many victims. She drove me toward identifying differently from who I was despite me being unsure of what I was. She was also incredibly neurotic and would repeatedly explode into hostile rages whenever I made any form of negative comment toward her, even if it was negative critique of her writing, for example. Her pushing and her attitude gave me a negative view of trans people - trans women especially - and made me believe that I could never speak to a trans person again without being cajoled into transitioning or being made to feel guilty for being born as I was. [B] She was not, and is not, representative of the trans community. Sobotnik was trying to speak about this kind of person, ignoring the fact that these people are the [U]minority[/U] and are merely concentrated by the relative 'smallness' of the internet.[/B] There's so many boundaries between the average person on the street and access of the greater Internet. There's many more between them and this forum. This means that any representative minorities here are [B]in themselves a minority of their group.[/B] This is why people have a skewed view of there being more people with mental illness on the internet -- by virtue of the winnowing state of the internet, you find more and more unique people. From what I can gather Sobotnik was hurt much like I was, and much like I, wrestled to identify as someone on the tail end of it. Yeah. I weep for Sobotnik in that state. In the state Sobotnik is in now, however. Wilfully malicious toward someone close to them, for the sakes of seeming intellectual and enlightened? I think he's a sick fuck down to his socks. In trying to speak out about the kinds of people that abused me, and, presumably, him, Sobotnik [B]became one of those people.[/B] Rather than acknowledging the cycle of abuse and crushing it, he wholeheartedly admitted to participating in it, and openly shat on Zillamaster and revealed that all their interactions were false. Sobotnik pushed them into a situation much akin to the one my abuser pushed me into. This is not okay. [B]There are no words for how [U]destructive this is. This [I]cannot be accepted on these forums. A temporary ban is not enough.[/I][/U][/B] Please, mods. Understand that while you guys [B]do[/B] have a disconnect from this place on an emotional level, and are all generally reasonable adults capable of walking away from the screen and forgetting about this shit when you've gotta go to work or whatever, for a lot of people things cut deeper than that. I can't speak for Zillamaster but I will speak from experience: This place can be [B]really[/B] hurtful, and the internet as a whole can be really toxic. Sure, you have to learn to take shit on the chin and all, but this isn't a case of someone screaming "die fag lol" on a facebook comments section. This is a case of a member admitting outwardly that they have intentionally been playing someone's trust, twisting their identity, and fucking with them for months, if not [B]years.[/B] Take it from me -- kicked out of school, two shrinks, three jobs, a healthy alcoholic habit, several suicide attempts, a family I can no longer speak to or be myself around, and doubt over whether I'll be able to keep sane enough to live to thirty: This [B]isn't[/B] internet gamey shit. Sobotnik didn't just do an EPYK CALLOUT that Zillamaster can walk away from and forget about next week. Sobotnik has hurt Zilla in a way that cannot be easily resolved. Time does not magically heal all wounds. It creates scars. The least that is owed to Zilla for what has been done now is a harsher ban for Sobotnik. If not a perma.

[QUOTE=Chris Morris;52896255][long post trying to explain backstory behind drama][/QUOTE] I'm just not convinced we should task the mods with trying to figure out and interpret the interpersonal relationships of every forum member with every other forum member so that their interactions can be used as justifications for bans. I think it's a slippery slope when we start involving things like that in ban reasons because where do we realistically draw the line? If a member is in a relationship with another member and cheats on them, is that banworthy? Steals? What if they steal hundreds of dollars? Thousands? I read all of your post and I'm not trying to discredit your claims because I honestly don't know anything about anyone involved, but we have to understand that neither do the mods. Really all they have that's concrete to go on are the posts on the forums themselves that breaks rules, because those exist as a matter of fact and can in no way be viewed as a "he said she said" type situation. I don't think that whether something like this [i]is[/i] banworthy or not isn't a discussion worth having, I just don't view it as very cut and dry "oh yeah just pban him" as a lot of people might at first glance

I drink enough as it is, keeping track of every forum members' interpersonal relationships in order to factor into bans is well beyond my alcohol budget. [editline]16th November 2017[/editline] Not to say what Sobotnik did isn't mega shit, though.

so I'm a bit late regarding those newpunch updates but: Those snubbed quotes, spoiler tags and alerts for post replies are awesome For those spoiler tags in posts on newpunch, though, could there be a user setting to toggle whether you need to just hover over a spoiled tag to unspoil it or click it to reveal? So those who are more lax can just hover over it and not care, but those worried about accidentally seeing something can keep the firm click on it to reveal

[QUOTE=EddieLTU;52895967]Jesus Christ you people with controversies, just don't take the bait. For that exact reason i've blocked out SH/Polidicks/several threads from other forums, for the exact reason i don't fill up my brain with things i don't want to think about for few days. I have other things to care about that are not controversial topics. Sorry for bringing that shit again. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE] What are you criticizing here? The fact that people look at controversial topics? I'm not sure exactly what you mean in this post.

Oh wow I knew sobotnik was kind of a shitposter but holy shit that post is the kind of post that makes people legit want to kill themselves. Really hope someone's checking on Zilla.

to me i kinda feel like - you would perma someone for hurting an animal and posting about it on facepunch. because even a month isn't long enough to fix what's wrong with that person or make them understand. and i think that like hurting an animal, you don't really have to know the people involved to know that saying those things is wrong and it'll take more than three days for a grown-ass man to relearn that

I think we should just stop talking about this considering the mods have made their final call and drama is dumb. If you want to read hot gossip either turn on E! Or go to your local train station and advocate the flat earth. Say you got supporters all around the world to get a good fix

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52896684]I think we should just stop talking about this considering the mods have made their final call and drama is dumb. If you want to read hot gossip either turn on E! Or go to your local train station and advocate the flat earth. Say you got supporters all around the world to get a good fix[/QUOTE] You are severally downplaying the issue here. We have definite proof of a member of this forum going out of their way to hurt another member of this forum and getting absolutely no punishment for it. And you compare it to celebrity gossip and flat earthers?

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52894593]This letting bigots walk while regular uses have to follow the rules bullshit needs to stop, one user was too much, this is like 10 miles over the line. [I][U][B]And yes, there's no denying it, people have come clean about it. [/B][/U][/I][/QUOTE] This is probably the best summary of my thoughts on this forum that I've ever seen while browsing this thread. FP used to feel like a collection of semi-reasonable people with a few radicals at the fringe who were always on their last chance. It was always fun to see when the extremists would finally cross the line and show their true colors, and get permabanned for the effort. Now it just feels like FP is a giant social experiment, a dumping ground for bigots and extremists to offload their ideologies without consequence to test the upper limits of everyone's patience. The community as a whole despises this change and we've voiced our concerns about it innumerable times, but the mod team has generally responded with contempt, and has even resorted to censoring the topic on occasion and outright banning people for talking about it. It's resulted in mod-sanctioned trolling, and you know that's exactly what it is when the mods say "we know what's going on, but you're the problem because you're responding to it." No, we're not the problem, we're the core of the community. These alt-right trolls and bigots aren't community, they're travelling sales people who won't get off our collective porches.

3 days feels way too short. Especially when you see people getting bans the same length for things like "editorialised title" and "dumb bump"

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;52896722]You are severally downplaying the issue here. We have definite proof of a member of this forum going out of their way to hurt another member of this forum and getting absolutely no punishment for it. And you compare it to celebrity gossip and flat earthers?[/QUOTE] All I'm saying is that the judgement was settled. Sobo was being a right honest cunt and I absolutely see the points being made. In my opinion he should be banned for 2 weeks but I feel this ban is a guaranteed last strike. I'm no fan of bigotry. What was said was disgusting and the drama isn't fun but I think nothing's gonna come out of this. The thread was supposed to be a """safe space""" for opinions. Sobo said his part (albeit disgustingly) and the rest is done. You guys have obviously expressed your distaste for him and I'm sure everywhere he goes he'll be ridiculed even more

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52896635]What are you criticizing here? The fact that people look at controversial topics? I'm not sure exactly what you mean in this post.[/QUOTE] Eddie is pretty well known for having [B]very[/B] controversial opinions, he's simply smart enough to not air them on FP itself. [Editline].[/editline] Fixed wording

Can someone explain to me what sobotnik did to zillamaster? I don't really keep up with interpersonal relations of FP posters and I'm kinda lost here

[QUOTE=WhyNott;52896836]Can someone explain to me what sobotnik did to zillamaster? I don't really keep up with interpersonal relations of FP posters and I'm kinda lost here[/QUOTE] He posted a [B]very[/B] long detailed description about how he views transgenderism as a means of destroying one's own identity and the relationships they've built around them. Zillamaster proceeded to call him out because apparently Sobotnik had helped Zillamaster through her own personal problems regarding the issue. Sobotonik proceeded to say he wish he had never done that, it was a complete mistake on his part claiming that it only made matters worse. He then proceeded to tell Zillamaster that he thought he was Zilla's friend but he couldn't live with the guilt of having helped Zilla through her problems. Direct quote: [QUOTE=Sobotnik;52893673]It's not that you're a backwards, society destroying deviant. The point is more that a destruction of the self (yourself) rather than what it does to society. The entire central assumption of transsexualism (that the true self is hidden within and transitioning is needed to bring it out) is completely and utterly broken at the base. Everything else is just fluff after that. Me helping you out of the closest (among others) was one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made and something I regret deeply, I do not believe I helped you and have in fact made matters worse. i thought i was yours too. i can't live with the guilt of hurting friends [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("ignored mod warning, bad ban history and started drama." - Kiwi))[/highlight] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Revised. But keep drama to yourself thanks" - Kiwi))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Granted it doesn't matter at this point because it appears that Sobotnik's ban was revised again, but I genuinely hope someone is checking up on Zillamaster. I don't know them personally and don't have a way of reaching out to her but I hope someone who has that ability does.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52896839]Well that will be the end of sobotnik since he just requested a perma himself[/QUOTE] And got banned three times, too. Maybe a fourth time just to be sure? Nice, thanks Mezzokoko.[B][/B]

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52896867]I said make it so in mod chat but nothing happened. And when I did it we did it 3 times. Oops.[/QUOTE]I clicked the thing, but the thing didn't happen. I do it again and suddenly two other permas show up. No kill like overkill, I guess.

I just wanted to join in

[QUOTE=Skunky;52896857]And got banned three times, too. Maybe a fourth time just to be sure? Nice, thanks Mezzokoko.[B][/B][/QUOTE] We aim to please.

[QUOTE=Craptasket;52896876]I just wanted to join in[/QUOTE] Feel free to join. Oh and Postal too.