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[QUOTE=dingusnin;53047738]Bit late to reply to the whole situation but anyway. I know I handled it poorly, and I did earn myself the ban. I've apologised, and I'm happy to receive a ban - I'm just question if a permaban if really necessary. I've got a decent ban history on the forums now, only had 1 ban in the past so many years, I believe some leniency can be afforded. A second chance maybe? I'll happily take a month ban, admit my mistakes, and not repeat them. Nothing to learn from if it's permanent. Small side point here. Layla was being overly obtuse, and greatly unhelpful. When users do this, we get [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590984&p=53046363&viewfull=1#post53046363]banned[/url].[/QUOTE] alright i got something for you look down, down on your body. see that? that's yours. that's the first step in gaining what you so dearly lack called self-awareness

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53047813]Editing your post for something that is completely off topic just to try and justify that you are the victim does not at all help your argument. You broke server guidelines and an FP Staff member BANNED you. You happily accepted this earlier... And now you're back? [/QUOTE] The discussion was open earlier in that page, I'm only questioning the length of my ban.

[QUOTE=dingusnin;53047830]The discussion was open earlier in that page, I'm only questioning the length of my ban.[/QUOTE] it was made pretty clear from the very beginning that you aren't getting unbanned, I don't know what there is to question

[QUOTE=Exploderguy;53045435]How can you get "permission" to contact a mod or staff member if you're not allowed to ask them in the first place?[/QUOTE] You don't do it over Discord, you do it over the forums. The primary purpose of that rule is to protect the Facepunch Staff category. They are under no obligation to partake in the community side of things, they do it because they want to interact with the community. If I were in their shoes and was being constantly harassed, I just wouldn't bother logging onto Discord anymore. I don't want that, because having devs around means that people have access to them to ask questions and they can share cool shit they're working on. I also don't mind people using @ towards me or DMing me but I don't advertise that in the server otherwise I'd be inundated with Russian hackers asking me to [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUXCzwUsqsc]unban and dilute[/url]. [QUOTE=Exploderguy;53045457]But the rule says you can't direct message them If you guys are so uptight about being mass pinged, just disable "allow anyone to mention this role" [IMG]https://puu.sh/yZtfM/deafc07839.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] We have. That options prevents people from doing @Facepunch Staff and not @ individual people. There's no functionality in Discord to disallow this, hence why the rule exists. The rule also exists in most other Verified servers too. [QUOTE=Trekintosh;53045699]Feels a bit overly strict on the instant permaban, in my opinion.[/QUOTE] It really isn't if you consider how often everybody gets messaged. I usually get between 5 and 15 unsolicited DMs a day and probably upwards of 30 mentions across various servers. [QUOTE=helifreak;53046329]Further to this, if you can't be fucked at the least reading the website of the company you are trying to apply at why should you even be considered for a position?[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. The Jobs page is pretty clear on what they're looking for; [url]https://wwww.facepunch.com/#jobs[/url] [quote]Join Us Who? We're looking for anyone that has made their own game. The ideal candidate will be a programmer, will have made a game single handed, and will laugh at dick jokes. Where? You can be anywhere in the world, and work from home. Or come to our office in Walsall. We don't care. What? We don't hire through agents. We don't want unpaid workers. We don't do internships or work experience. We love C#, C++ programmers. We love Unity and Unreal. We want to make console games too. How? Send us an email. Show us the games you've made.[/quote] Any email sent to the job inbox gets sent to everybody in the company by default, unless they opt out. Probably get at least 30 emails a day and maybe only one every other day actually fits the criteria. [QUOTE=PsiSoldier;53046358]isn't all the piss and vinegar about unwanted messaging kinda unnecessary when this exists? [t]https://i.imgur.com/VUX5HuB.png[/t][/QUOTE] Why should the staff have to turn off an entire core functionality that they use, just because a handful of users cannot follow a simple rule? Don't send unsolicited messages to staff. Ask permission in the perspective channels first; the developers do read them. Take a look at #ruin to see how that usually plays out. It's a system that works. [QUOTE=dingusnin;53047807]You want to point out what you disagree with? Mod's actions should be able to be scrutinised.[/QUOTE] Layla isn't a moderator. She's a member of FP staff. You harassed her on more than one occasion and received a negative response. Considering what you said to her, you have absolutely no grounds on which to act indignant. Not only that, but you broke one of the most important rules of the Discord.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53047874]Layla isn't a moderator. She's a member of FP staff.[b] You harassed her [/b] on more than one occasion and received a negative response. Considering what you said to her, you have absolutely no grounds on which to act indignant. Not only that, but you broke one of the most important rules of the Discord.[/QUOTE] lol what? Clearly wasn't harassment, moderator who first unbanned me also agrees in saying that wasn't harassment.

[QUOTE=dingusnin;53047946]lol what? [B]Clearly wasn't harassment[/B], moderator who first unbanned me also agrees in saying that wasn't harassment.[/QUOTE] :dogwow:

[QUOTE=dingusnin;53047946]lol what? Clearly wasn't harassment, moderator who first unbanned me also agrees in saying that wasn't harassment.[/QUOTE] She asked you to stop messaging her, and you kept messaging her. That's a pretty textbook example of harassment.

Not that I'm arsed or anything but I'm a dude, don't want to confuse people. Layla is just a random name. Also it's probably best to drop it now, move on.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53047874]Why should the staff have to turn off an entire core functionality that they use[/QUOTE] entire core functionality? it's just flicking the "i don't want unsolicited messages" switch, something you'd imagine people who don't want unsolicited messages would do.

on a serious note when are you actually going to do something about tudd because the whole thing is not funny anymore it's just an unfunny baity firerain situation [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590979&page=2]the way this has been handled is a complete joke[/url]

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;53047983]on a serious note when are you actually going to do something about tudd because the whole thing is not funny anymore it's just an unfunny baity firerain situation [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590979&page=2]the way this has been handled is a complete joke[/url][/QUOTE] What has that thread got to do with Tudd? It's clearly a video about racist remarks

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048022]Tudd[/quote] [QUOTE=Hezzy;53048022]a video about racist remarks[/QUOTE] I mean I don't want to be that guy but...come on. Let's not stick our heads in sand here :v:

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;53048025]I mean I don't want to be that guy but...come on. Let's not stick our heads in sand here :v:[/QUOTE] I'm not. People shouldn't post off topic and derail threads. Just because numerous people are doing it doesn't make it any less wrong.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048027]I'm not. People shouldn't post off topic and derail threads. Just because numerous people are doing it doesn't make it any less wrong.[/QUOTE] Oh, yeah don't get me wrong I'm not arguing about that. I was referring to his posting habits. I think the correlation is prominent enough that feigning ignorance doesn't really work anymore (if it ever did)

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048022]What has that thread got to do with Tudd? It's clearly a video about racist remarks[/QUOTE] i dunno maybe sometimes the entire OP is the subject of the thread rather than simply what video they've linked, just a hunch

They're commenting on his remark about the video in the OP, which he doesn't always do. There's also a pretty obvious recurring trend in every thread that Tudd makes, there's a blatant alt-right slant, and I'm not sure why you don't want people to acknowledge it when pretty much every thread he posts is political. There's also the problem of having politics outside of SH/Polidicks, which has universally resulted in shitshows. [QUOTE=Kiwi;53048051]Here. Since everyone's idea on correcting and debating Tudd clearly isn't working and when people get that mad they start attacking him and being off topic. How about you just don't participate at all in the thread and never reply to his posts. It's clear that nobody has self restraint to not be off topic and we're only banning folks who would similarly have no self restraint for flaming another user.[/QUOTE] If you're seriously expecting us to do that, why not ban him already? It accomplishes the same purpose.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53048051]Here. Since everyone's idea on correcting and debating Tudd clearly isn't working and when people get that mad they start attacking him and being off topic. How about you just don't participate at all in the thread and never reply to his posts. It's clear that nobody has self restraint to not be off topic and we're only banning folks who would similarly have no self restraint for flaming another user.[/QUOTE] you're entirely right, it isn't working because they them self refuse to actually engage in any meaningful debate or take anything away from it, half assing some sort of rebuttal and then disappearing from the thread entirely - repeatedly - which to me screams of pure shitposting. if that's the case should we just ignore any and all shitposters throughout the forum rather than, you know, doing something about it?

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53048060]That's giving into mob rule which we aren't doing at all.[/QUOTE] ok so you're defending tudd as a unique case to prove some sort of point? i'm sorry how does that help the community or your own credibility at all

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048022]What has that thread got to do with Tudd? It's clearly a video about racist remarks[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Kiwi;53048051]Here. Since everyone's idea on correcting and debating Tudd clearly isn't working and when people get that mad they start attacking him and being off topic. How about you just don't participate at all in the thread and never reply to his posts. It's clear that nobody has self restraint to not be off topic and we're only banning folks who would similarly have no self restraint for flaming another user.[/QUOTE] I generally agree with the line of thought that if you don't like seeing Tudd's posts you should ignore him (with the caveat being that if moderators have to remind everyone on the board to add one person to their ignore list every few weeks for months or even years than the problem [I]probably [/I]isn't them) but could ya'll at least pretend you know what you are talking about? I don't know what kind of behind the scenes coordination is going on that spurred you guys to go in and protect Tudd but the video has nothing to do with racist remarks, unless you are talking about the Presidents.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53048068]Not about my credibility at all this is all coming down from Hezzy and to be honest that was the first instant I've seen Tudd in a week and I choose to not browse his threads or participate as of late.[/QUOTE] ok, thank you for clearing up that this is all stemming from hezzy. banning half of the page doesn't seem like "not participating" but ok

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;53048048]i dunno maybe sometimes the entire OP is the subject of the thread rather than simply what video they've linked, just a hunch[/QUOTE] Except that should never be the case. Discussion in threads should always be on the topic at hand, not the person posting it. [QUOTE=Instant Mix;53048059]you're entirely right, it isn't working because they them self refuse to actually engage in any meaningful debate or take anything away from it, half assing some sort of rebuttal and then disappearing from the thread entirely - repeatedly - which to me screams of pure shitposting. if that's the case should we just ignore any and all shitposters throughout the forum rather than, you know, doing something about it?[/QUOTE] Here's an idea; if you dislike how somebody debates, then don't debate with them anymore. Don't even read the thread.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048075]Except that should never be the case. Discussion in threads should always be on the topic at hand, not the person posting it. Here's an idea; if you dislike how somebody debates, then don't debate with them anymore. Don't even read the thread.[/QUOTE] the topic at hand objectively was how funny it was that the person in the video said "I am a proud shitholer". trying to argue that it is anything else is dishonest. my personal issue with this reasoning you have is that why can this not be applied to every user in the forum that does something bannable? why should we ban them when we can just ignore their posts?

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;53048078]my personal issue with this reasoning you have is that why can this not be applied to every user in the forum that does something bannable? why should we ban them when we can just ignore their posts?[/QUOTE] I can see we're coming back in a full circle, but regardless; What rule has Tudd broken? Can you provide evidence?

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048082]I can see we're coming back in a full circle, but regardless; What rule has Tudd broken? Can you provide evidence?[/QUOTE] shitposting and baiting for the reasons I have posted above, and i'm personally not going to sit here and link every thread he has done this in because it would be physically exhausting

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048075]Except that should never be the case. Discussion in threads should always be on the topic at hand, not the person posting it.[/QUOTE] Why not both [QUOTE=Hezzy;53048075]Here's an idea; if you dislike how somebody debates, then don't debate with them anymore. Don't even read the thread.[/QUOTE] Tudd doesn't debate. That aside, you clearly don't see him as a positive member of the community. If you have to tell everyone not to read his threads, not to respond to his posts, and outright add him to your ignore list then maybe the problem is with one poster rather than everyone else. This soft bigotry of low expectations isn't going to make discussions on FP better it's just going to further entrench people in their beliefs.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048075]Here's an idea; if you dislike how somebody debates, then don't debate with them anymore. Don't even read the thread.[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/zoKLkC8.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;53048085]shitposting and baiting for the reasons I have posted above, and i'm personally not going to sit here and link every thread he has done this in because it would be physically exhausting[/QUOTE] Without evidence then we're remaining in the same place. I'm not going to permanently ban somebody based on supposition

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048082]I can see we're coming back in a full circle, but regardless; What rule has Tudd broken? Can you provide evidence?[/QUOTE] I feel like the sheer amount of people who have been banned for in some form or another for acknowledging Tudd serves as evidence that this rule is doing the opposite of its intended effect.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048096]Without evidence then we're remaining in the same place. I'm not going to permanently ban somebody based on supposition[/QUOTE] i didn't mention anything about permanently banning anyone but fine i'll start linking threads with brief overviews if you so desire i don't know if this is meant to be some sort of idiot cull but this whole thing is negatively affecting the community

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;53048101]i didn't mention anything about permanently banning anyone but fine i'll start linking threads with brief overviews if you so desire i don't know if this is meant to be some sort of idiot cull but this whole thing is negatively affecting the community[/QUOTE] Send it in a PM please as per the OP