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guys please stop bullying Tudd ): he's really trying his best to be a better poster and inform all of us of all this very important news!! why cant you just let him share all these interesting videos and articles in peace? :'( you people make me sick!!! >:(

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53048092] Just don't read his threads. Don't reply to him it's dead simple. Eventually he'll have a whole lot of threads with 0 replies and everyone will be happy.[/QUOTE] People are banned from forums because the rules they broke impede the community in someway. They have a detrimental affect on the course of discussion. If the official moderator position is that a certain poster should be ignored, that no one should read any of his threads, that no one should even see his threads because everyone adds him to their ignore list then the rational conclusion is that certain poster is having a detrimental effect on the course of the discussion.

Kiwi, and other affiliated moderators, allow me to direct you to this thread/video. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590942[/url] [media]https://twitter.com/mileskahn/status/951595875708686336[/media] This adds context to the video that Tudd posted. That official in question wasn't being racist, he was actually showing a very powerful anti-racism message that Tudd boiled down to "lol shitholers is funny" to depreciate the message, then skated off whenever his grounds were challenged.

[QUOTE=kyle877;53048117] This adds context to the video that Tudd posted. That official in question wasn't being racist, he was actually showing a very powerful anti-racism message that Tudd boiled down to "lol shitholers is funny" to depreciate the message, [B]then skated off whenever his grounds were challenged.[/B][/QUOTE] hey buddy it's called debate now [editline]12th January 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Hezzy;53048082]I can see we're coming back in a full circle, but regardless; What rule has Tudd broken? Can you provide evidence?[/QUOTE] Who cares about who broke what rules when rules are made and unmade, applied and ignored at the moderators discretion? [editline]12th January 2018[/editline] lmao now that thread is just people talking about Tudd and the moderators actions, fucking well played guys.

Regarding rules, General Games Discussion has a rule against low effort posting. Is posting a video with an overall political message just because "lol he said he is a shitholer" not low effort?

I feel like the Tudd issue wouldn't exist if he was treated like every other poster is, it's hard to come up with hard evidence when many of the rules on shit threads are rather subjective and subject to mod discretion, but if [I]any[/I] other poster were complained about so much, they wouldn't be here anymore.

I find it a bit hypocritical on the mod team's part that a post like this [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590668&p=53042097&viewfull=1#post53042097[/url] nets a ban on the grounds of "being creepy," but someone who's been an active malice to the community and at the epicenter of so many issues has been allowed to remain.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;53048131]May have forgotten to put in the word anti before I typed racist. Sure you can get me for that one and I did legitimately typo that one just so it's clear. All in all. The video is outrageous in a good way and I do think the video is fine. It still doesn't justify going off topic and attacking a user(it still doesn't matter who it is).[/QUOTE] Then you should probably go there and set the record straight, since many people, including myself, were confused. [QUOTE=Kiwi;53047958]Is it THAT hard to talk outrageous the term shitholer is and how obscenely racist that former cia agent is? Talk about the video. Next poster get's banned and the thread will be locked.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=kyle877;53048155]I find it a bit hypocritical on the mod team's part that a post like this [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590668&p=53042097&viewfull=1#post53042097[/url] nets a ban on the grounds of "being creepy," but someone who's been an active malice to the community and at the epicenter of so many issues has been allowed to remain.[/QUOTE] Not to mention literally any "chill out" or "calm down" ban. Pretending like someone has to break the rules to ban them is transparently farcical.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;53048137]Regarding rules, General Games Discussion has a rule against low effort posting. Is posting a video with an overall political message just because "lol he said he is a shitholer" not low effort?[/QUOTE] You're talking about a section of the forum where people literally copy and paste a YouTube link to make a thread.

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048096][QUOTE=Instant Mix;53048085]shitposting and baiting for the reasons I have posted above, and i'm personally not going to sit here and link every thread he has done this in because it would be physically exhausting[/QUOTE]Without evidence then we're remaining in the same place. I'm not going to permanently ban somebody based on supposition[/QUOTE] I think my fav example of this is when [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1579230&p=52703342&viewfull=1#post52703342"]he popped into a thread about how shitty neonazis are[/URL] (8 pages late, mind you!~) to essentially post [quote]one of those KKK members is jewish, actually :). Really makes you think! :)[/quote] It was so out of place, so weirdly specific, yet so bizarrely on-brand for tuddposting with intent to start shit that i had it bookmarked That was the only post of his in that entire thread discussion, by the way! Never showed up after that! He pulls shit like this constantly, and if that doesn't count as drive-by shitposting/baiting, then I honestly don't know what the hell does

Enough posting about Tudd. As per the thread OP, send me a PM if you wish to complain about a particular forum user.

[QUOTE=dustyjo;53048158]Then you should probably go there and set the record straight, since many people, including myself, were confused.[/QUOTE] Probably because "obscenely anti-racist" is not a phrase that flows logically and I don't know how Kiwi managed to typo his way into that one. The sentence makes more sense without it.

[QUOTE=kyle877;53048155]I find it a bit hypocritical on the mod team's part that a post like this [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590668&p=53042097&viewfull=1#post53042097[/url] nets a ban on the grounds of "being creepy," but someone who's been an active malice to the community and at the epicenter of so many issues has been allowed to remain.[/QUOTE] This is such bad arguing that tudd can do better

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048165]You're talking about a section of the forum where people literally copy and paste a YouTube link to make a thread.[/QUOTE] You're right and in most cases the amount of effort isn't taken into account but surely something that disingenuous counts as low-effort? [QUOTE=cebceb44;53048167]I think my fav example of this is when [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1579230&p=52703342&viewfull=1#post52703342"]he popped into a thread about how shitty neonazis are[/URL] (8 pages late, mind you!~) to essentially post It was so out of place, so weirdly specific, yet so bizarrely on-brand for tuddposting with intent to start shit that i had it bookmarked That was the only post of his in that entire thread discussion, by the way! Never showed up after that! He pulls shit like this constantly, and if that doesn't count as drive-by shitposting/baiting, then I honestly don't know what the hell does[/QUOTE] Shitposting and baiting aren't technically in in the rules so it's okay to do [URL="https://facepunch.com/fp_events.php?type=ban"]hey do you have warrant stop looking at that. [/URL] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Stop" - Hezzy))[/highlight]

Jesus Jumping Christ. At the risk of talking about the video in this thread [I]more than anyone has in it's actual thread,[/I] before today I couldn't have imagined so many people lining up behind a grown ass man, on national television, saying, "I'm a shitholer" with sincerity. It's a scene from a political commentary comedy, like [B]Idiocracy[/B] or [B]The Pentagon Wars.[/B] It shouldn't be a thing. So Tudd made a thread mocking it and now everyone has to (as [I]is absolutely compelled, by forces unknown to me, in the struggle for the kulturkampf[/I]) come out and either call out Tudd in the thread for some nebulous crime of shitposting, or explain at length why he's an evil no-good racist? Over a man calling himself a [B]proud shitholer?[/B] Good lord people, this is worth your time of day? Two of my friends, card carrying Communists (one even writes for a Communist news letter) couldn't stop laughing over that video. Me neither. It's something that rightfully deserves a certain amount of harangue. But apparently people cannot control themselves, and upon seeing a thread made by Tudd, must go in to that thread, tell Tudd what an evil, stupid, dog-whistling Racist he is, and call him out, all with no relation to the thread's actual content. This compulsion is [B]so strong[/B] that, in spite of [I]months[/I] of instruction not to call out Tudd, in spite of literally dozens if not hundreds of pages of discussion to this extent, people must [B]still[/B] do this and are [B]still[/B] surprised when they are banned for it? This is clearly a sign of good moderation, because nobody has anything truly worth complaining about at hand, so all the malconents must find something so trivial to throw themselves upon, that this is where we end up. Edit: I started writing this before dinner, went away, came back, and finished it. I'm sorry for continuing a discussion we were instructed to stop. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Stop" - Hezzy))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048109]Send it in a PM please as per the OP[/QUOTE] cloudflare is refusing to let me send the PM by making me fill out a captcha which leads to a blank page what other ways else can I message it

So will gold be earnable over on the new forums? I thought I remember reading somewhere that it wouldn't. Anyway if it isn't then will new users just never be able to view the Refugee Camp after we migrate (excluding when they themselves get banned)? Or are we bringing back some sort of respected member role on the new forums that would grant privileges like that, and gold members over there are now just fancy titles in addition to those privileges?

All I'm gonna say about Tudd is that contrary to what people say he loves following the rules and relishes in insinuation and it drives everyone nuts because we all have personal opinions but he's the only one blowing them through a dog whistle in our ears all the fucking time, at which point the user and the content are kind of interchangeable, hence threads being about him, and the mods should consider that even someone who follows the rules can do it in a manipulative way [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Stop" - Hezzy))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;53048234]cloudflare is refusing to let me send the PM by making me fill out a captcha which leads to a blank page what other ways else can I message it[/QUOTE] pastebin -> send url

so t*dd he doesn't break any stated rules, and as far as i can tell from the wide variety of mod decisions I've seen in my time here nothing he does is expressly bannable. yeah, he lets his ideology shine thru the content he posts and it's fair to be upset that he wont stand his ground and argue with people who get on his case. that in itself is not a bannable offense, it's never been a rule that an op has to defend his case, no matter how wrong they are. you could argue its the right/moral thing to do, but once you realize that his guerrilla alt-right rhetoric is only a problem if you actually give it the time of day, you start learning that the proper thing to do is just stop. the fact is that so many ppl here can't hold it in their pants long enough until he just gets tired of making threads with 0 replies and leaves, but realistically that's the only scenario in which he stops bothering you. i guarantee you if everyone else who was tempted to argue with tudd just avoided his threads altogether he would get bored in a few months and move on. y'all argumentative types just give him ammo to make fun of liberal/left leaning folks. just stop already [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Stop" - Hezzy))[/highlight]

people really need to just stop getting mad about him and ignore him lol. in my eyes, the fact that he manages to rile up everyone while not even breaking any rules is an art form [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Stop" - Hezzy))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53048333]Correction: BDA stated he's a troll, ie breaks the rules.[/QUOTE] If you think he's trolling, send an example to a moderator via PM

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In that particular thread, it seems like at least one person was banned for responding to the OP's comments? That's not how threads are usually moderated. Like take a look at [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590979&p=53047701&viewfull=1#post53047701"]this post[/URL]. The poster said that the video is an impassioned speech about multiculturalism, and that the OP is being dismissive. I'm not really seeing why this person was banned? If it were any other poster, calling them out for a statement made in the OP would be fine, especially if their post also includes something specifically referring to the video itself. I mean hell half of [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590139"]this thread [/URL] is people specifically calling out damnatus because he doesn't have an antivirus. That's only tangentially related to the article in the OP, and yet no bans are being handed out. I can appreciate that a lot of the posts in the shitholer thread are specifically "tudd is so shit because he did these things in other threads", and that's definitely the sort of thing that should be banned, but the post I linked is someone specifically calling him out for something he said IN THAT THREAD, which has never been bannable. Seems like mods are really trigger happy whenever somebody has anything bad to say about tudd, even if the post would have been perfectly fine if they were talking about anybody else. also I'm not complaining about Tudd himself in this post, I'm discussing how bans are being handed out so please don't ban me I'd really appreciate it

[QUOTE=Hezzy;53048181]Enough posting about Tudd. [/QUOTE] You can go this route all you want but I gotta say it doesn't bode well for the already compromised respect that the community has for this site's moderation. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Stop" - Hezzy))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=CunningHam;53048356]Well hezzy's weirdly undone bans like that multiple times. So don't expect any changes.[/QUOTE] The law isn't all he protects... Had to be said. I get the whole "protect people from the mob" thing but yall mods coulda picked someone of merit and not you're basic /pol/ trole [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Stop" - Hezzy))[/highlight]

How many people have had to get banned over this issue now? This is ridiculous. And you're turning an obvious troll user on the forums into [i]He who shall not be named[/i] in order to quell 'off-topic' posting, but all that has resulted in is dozens of regular posters getting banned. What a fucking mess. Does banning everyone who dares speak about an issue with the forum really community management? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Stop" - Hezzy))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;53048387]You can go this route all you want but I gotta say it doesn't bode well for the already compromised respect that the community has for this site's moderation.[/QUOTE] Tbh I dont think the respect is compromised (cept by the rust kiddies but they're essentially mudcrabs). Sure people question the decisions made occasionally but that's healthy. Maybe I've been lucky but I think I've deserved most of my bans. Look at other communities where people are banned for having differing opinions etc, we got it fairly good here at facepunch, even if I get banned for the previously made post about he who shall not be named.

Speaking in general terms, prohibiting discussion on any matter [i]just further inflames the issue at hand without solving anything[/i]. Its a bit silly that its even a tactic used for moderation since it neither moderates nor solves anything. Just causes more trouble, and it will all flare up again next time because of this.