The All American canal. Now that we covered the Arizona bill, help me with this
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21723707][B]Illegal[/B] immigrants aren't terrorists or criminals[/QUOTE]
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Everyone here is saying "Don't hate the illegals" and crap. Why shouldn't we? We have to waste half of our time and money just to let them have a proper education they are even grateful for. Prime example: Arizona, we let them come here an pay for their support then what do they do? Boycott us.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;21725066]Everyone here is saying "Don't hate the illegals" and crap. Why shouldn't we? We have to waste half of our time and money just to let them have a proper education they are even grateful for. Prime example: Arizona, we let them come here an pay for their support then what do they do? Boycott us.[/QUOTE]
You have to waste your time and money? So you personally educate them? I'm pretty sure, and correct me if I'm wrong, that they're educated by the public schools that they themselves pay for in the same ways in which everyone else does- taxes and directly to the school. I'm pretty certain that their willingness to die or go to jail is a sign of their gratefulness.
Maybe they wouldn't boycott you if you weren't such bigots and pass laws like your racial profiling law, eh?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21723707]Illegal immigrants aren't terrorists or criminals, they're desperate people and their families trying to escape poverty and drug war. Their lives are as important as everyone else's, desperation doesn't make them subhuman. I find some illegal immigrants picking strawberries for a few bucks a day to be a lot easier on my conscience than leaving them to drown.
Stop treating them like rapists and drug dealers, trying to make your life better by relocating to a nation in which 99% of people are originally immigrants is not the babykilling crime against humanity those dumb rednecks in Arizona like to paint it as.
Rate me boxes because I don't think Mexicans deserve horrible death for setting foot on land that only all-American white people deserve.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that it's hurting the US economy, and ruining the lives of American workers, who went to school for years and work their asses off to make a living for THEIR families, who are now being forced into poverty.
Instead of jumping the border, they need to fix their own fucking country, not ruin ours.
ITT: YOU'RE ONLY A FUCKING PERSON IF YOU COME FROM THE UNITED FUCKING STATES, ALL OTHERS STAY OUT.
Fucking xenophobes. Countries like the US rely on illegal immigration. You fucking need it more than you don't.
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[QUOTE=yuki;21725328]The problem is that it's hurting the US economy, and ruining the lives of American workers, who went to school for years and work their asses off to make a living for THEIR families, who are now being forced into poverty.
Instead of jumping the border, they need to fix their own fucking country, not ruin ours.[/QUOTE]
1. It's not that simple to fix a fucking country.
2. The US economy is supported by illegal immigrants, pull them out, and lets see what will happen. I bet a major collapse will happen because no employer wants to employ lazy people who won't work for less.
[QUOTE=Detective P;21725292]I'm pretty certain that their willingness to die or go to jail is a sign of their gratefulness.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty certain that their willingness to go through the proper legal procedures to be a legal citizen would be a sign of their gratefulness.
[QUOTE=_Sniper_;21725493]I'm pretty certain that their willingness to go through the proper legal procedures to be a legal citizen would be a sign of their gratefulness.[/QUOTE]
again, you have no fucking clue how hard the current immigration system is for anyone. Don't act like it's easy, it can take up to 20 years to get into the country legally, and a minimum of 5 years for most people, that's the fastest it can happen.
[QUOTE=Detective P;21725292]You have to waste your time and money? So you personally educate them? I'm pretty sure, and correct me if I'm wrong, that they're educated by the public schools that they themselves pay for in the same ways in which everyone else does- taxes and directly to the school. I'm pretty certain that their willingness to die or go to jail is a sign of their gratefulness.
Maybe they wouldn't boycott you if you weren't such bigots and pass laws like your racial profiling law, eh?[/QUOTE]
Illegals pay income tax?
For a minute I thought I remembered that they had traps under the water to ensnare and possibly drown crossers and then I remembered that was the canal along the Berlin Wall. Of course, that's what the OP would like there to be.
[QUOTE=yuki;21725328]The problem is that it's hurting the US economy, and ruining the lives of American workers, who went to school for years and work their asses off to make a living for THEIR families, who are now being forced into poverty.
Instead of jumping the border, they need to fix their own fucking country, not ruin ours.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure people went through years of college to learn how to pick strawberries in a field.
There are clearly [b]AMERICANS[/b] in [b]OUR[/b] country being forced into [b]POVERTY[/B] because they can't pick their strawberries!
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21725359]ITT: YOU'RE ONLY A FUCKING PERSON IF YOU COME FROM THE UNITED FUCKING STATES, ALL OTHERS STAY OUT.
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Honestly, all the US asks for is to go through customs and be admitted as a citizen. Seriously. No one ever said they weren't people.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21725359]
1. It's not that simple to fix a fucking country.
2. The US economy is supported by illegal immigrants, pull them out, and lets see what will happen. I bet a major collapse will happen because no employer wants to employ lazy people who won't work for less.[/QUOTE]
You're right here though. Employers hire immigrants because they work for pennies, while the people who got screwed out of the jobs based their entire lives around a higher paygrade.
I know it's not simple to "fix" a country.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21723938]Legal citizens are federally entitled to minimum wage, so no citizens would be holding those jobs anyway. The whole problem of illegal immigration is blown way out of proportion by xenophobic rednecks who get scared when they hear people chattering in Spanish at the checkout line at the Wal-Mart.[/QUOTE]
My point exactly.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;21725551]Illegals pay income tax?[/QUOTE]
The Arizona law thread has an article on it. Also, yes- iirc, 9 Billion $ comes from illegals in the state of Arizona every year.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;21725551]Illegals pay income tax?[/QUOTE]
Yes, in fact many illegals do pay taxes. "Illegals don't pay taxes" is simply a myth.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21723978][IMG]http://donthavekids.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/redneck.jpg[/IMG]
AMURICANS COME FIRST IN [B]AMERICA[/B][/QUOTE]
The vote should be reserved for white protestant males over the age of 35 who hold land worth more than 50 pounds.
Cus it's our country, hur dur.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;21724694]That's quite ignorant, considering most drug crime in California is from illegal Mexicans.[/QUOTE]
All illegals from Mexico are not drug dealers. Illegal immigrant =/= drug dealing murderer.
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[QUOTE=yuki;21725328]The problem is that it's hurting the US economy, and ruining the lives of American workers, who went to school for years and work their asses off to make a living for THEIR families, who are now being forced into poverty.
Instead of jumping the border, they need to fix their own fucking country, not ruin ours.[/QUOTE]
Illegal immigrants take jobs picking strawberries and other crops, or doing very basic below minimum wage labor. They aren't fixing cars at the local dealership, diagnosing patients in the hospital, troubleshooting computer networks, or even flipping burgers for minimum wage. This job killing stuff is bullshit, nobody with an education or even basic burger flipping skills is losing their job to an immigrant, they're taking jobs nobody else wants.
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[QUOTE=Mingebox;21725551]Illegals pay income tax?[/QUOTE]
Ones being paid under the table don't, but they still have to pay property taxes, sales taxes, gas and energy taxes, and everything else the government runs on besides payroll taxes. Also, none of them without at least a child or spouse who is a legal citizen qualify for any kind of government welfare, and even then it's usually limited to Medicaid for the kid, TANF and SSI don't even apply to them.
Don't reply with the usual bullshit about fraudulently collecting welfare, because that's a welfare fraud issue and is committed by citizens too.
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[QUOTE=yuki;21726252]
You're right here though. Employers hire immigrants because they work for pennies, while the people who got screwed out of the jobs based their entire lives around a higher paygrade.
I know it's not simple to "fix" a country.[/QUOTE]
No American with access to a public education wants the jobs that illegals get. Even a GED qualifies you for jobs hopelessly out of reach for any immigrant. That said, the jobs they do take are the ones that keep our food affordable, the agricultural industry in this country can't function without the bottomless well of de facto slave labor that immigrants provide.
I Don't understand how anyone can "support" Illegal aliens. Its a simple process to LEGALLY get into America; no reason at all to illegally run up to a river and put your family in danger. If your dumb enough to try to cross I feel no sympathy. If it were up to me anyone caught trying to jump the fence or a river could be shot on sight, I mean Its a crime of national security. plus more jobs for us right?
You shouldn't aloud to have a meaningful comment if you aren't from California/Arizona/New Mexico/Texas.
As vague of a comment it is to say, they have to fix their own country. Illegal immigration brings drug trafficking, gangs, violence, and economic complications.
Do you know what Mexico's stance on illegal immigration is? Zero-tolerance. No court case, no hearing. And yes, they do use racial profiling. Although it is a hard case to come by, they can single out white aliens and deport them.
Being a student in California, our funding has completely bottomed out. Mexican children, who don't speak a word of English, come into a school, take the STAR test by just bubbling in answers like its a game. Some schools south of San Diego have actually just reverted to speaking Spanish!
We can give them amnesty, right? Last time that happened (under Reagan), the amount of illegal immigrants tripled in 10 years! Most come to this country expecting amnesty now.
And to everyone who replies with "Illegal immigrants are people too", I agree. They're extra people we don't need in our country, let alone California. I wish there was some solution to give them a better life, but there isn't any.
[QUOTE=Soviet_kiwi;21727243]I Don't understand how anyone can "support" Illegal aliens. Its a simple process to LEGALLY get into America; no reason at all to illegally run up to a river and put your family in danger. If your dumb enough to try to cross I feel no sympathy. If it were up to me anyone caught trying to jump the fence or a river could be shot on sight, I mean Its a crime of national security. plus more jobs for us right?[/QUOTE]
I think we should enact your idea, but you should be the one who has to shoot them. No problem, right?
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21723707]Illegal immigrants aren't terrorists or criminals, they're desperate people and their families trying to escape poverty and drug war. Their lives are as important as everyone else's, desperation doesn't make them subhuman. I find some illegal immigrants picking strawberries for a few bucks a day to be a lot easier on my conscience than leaving them to drown.
Stop treating them like rapists and drug dealers, trying to make your life better by relocating to a nation in which 99% of people are originally immigrants is not the babykilling crime against humanity those dumb rednecks in Arizona like to paint it as.
Rate me boxes because I don't think Mexicans deserve horrible death for setting foot on land that only all-American white people deserve.[/QUOTE]
Dude I think you missed his point. He was just asking why should we help people enter the nation illegally. That's a lot different than just looking the other way when someone can't prove their citizenship or is working in the country illegally or something.
Besides, by putting up ladders and buoys would probably just encourage them to do something dangerous and more people might die.
[QUOTE=kevn150;21727539]You shouldn't aloud to have a meaningful comment if you aren't from California/Arizona/New Mexico/Texas.
As vague of a comment it is to say, they have to fix their own country. Illegal immigration brings drug trafficking, gangs, violence, and economic complications.
Do you know what Mexico's stance on illegal immigration is? Zero-tolerance. No court case, no hearing. And yes, they do use racial profiling. Although it is a hard case to come by, they can single out white aliens and deport them.
Being a student in California, our funding has completely bottomed out. Mexican children, who don't speak a word of English, come into a school, take the STAR test by just bubbling in answers like its a game. Some schools south of San Diego have actually just reverted to speaking Spanish!
We can give them amnesty, right? Last time that happened (under Reagan), the amount of illegal immigrants tripled in 10 years! Most come to this country expecting amnesty now.
And to everyone who replies with "Illegal immigrants are people too", I agree. They're extra people we don't need in our country, let alone California. I wish there was some solution to give them a better life, but there isn't any.[/QUOTE]
as a resident of new mexico living <100 miles from the Mexican border: you're dumb
hth
[QUOTE=ImBill;21728722]as a resident of new mexico living <100 miles from the Mexican border: you're dumb
hth[/QUOTE]
You're a liberal.
See what I did there?
[QUOTE=kevn150;21728792]You're a liberal.
See what I did there?[/QUOTE]
um i think u mean LIEberal.....
[QUOTE=ImBill;21728808]um i think u mean LIEberal.....[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Detective P;21724034]Illegals are human beings who, if they're that desperate and willing to risk their life to get here, deserve at least the proposed safety additions.
If you say no to these, then you're a horrible person who is partially responsible for their deaths.
And I support illegal immigration. Not just say allow them, I full-out support. America's immigration system is unjust, overly tough, and very limited. I am proud to say that I support helping my fellow human beings- something that comes before borders and laws- by allowing those in need a better life in a greedy nation that boasts its greatness but turns away those who wish to share it.[/QUOTE]
If you have 1 million dollars your wealthy right?
Now share your money with 1 million immigrants. See how far it gets you.
We can't make the whole world live a comfortable life, we're having trouble helping all our own citizens as it is.
More people add weight to our own problems, weight that we don't need nor want,and we're not really doing that great right now anyway.
Our own problems come before others, and we're not going to help another countries citizens when we're busy trying to help our own.
[QUOTE=kevn150;21727539]You shouldn't aloud to have a meaningful comment if you aren't from California/Arizona/New Mexico/Texas.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to kill my wife. You shouldn't aloud to have a meaningful comment if you aren't from my family.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;21723707]Illegal immigrants aren't terrorists or criminals, they're desperate people and their families trying to escape poverty and drug war. Their lives are as important as everyone else's, desperation doesn't make them subhuman. I find some illegal immigrants picking strawberries for a few bucks a day to be a lot easier on my conscience than leaving them to drown.
Stop treating them like rapists and drug dealers, trying to make your life better by relocating to a nation in which 99% of people are originally immigrants is not the babykilling crime against humanity those dumb rednecks in Arizona like to paint it as.
Rate me boxes because I don't think Mexicans deserve horrible death for setting foot on land that only all-American white people deserve.[/QUOTE]
I want you to know there is a problem with there very first part of your 'argument'.
Illegal immigrants are criminals. All of them. Hence the part they are here illegally. I know mainstream media has pounded out, year by year, that they aren't, but facts are facts.
Now, besides the above truth, I will attest: sure, as with any group of persons, there are illegal immigrants who genuinely and legitimately come here to work, or start a new, better life, as millions of immigrants have done before them.
But to act as if every one, even most, of these aliens fit into that category is ignorant at best, and horridly deceitful at worst. Drugs and violent criminals cross that border everyday. I live in Arizona, and I see it. Every passing year, there is more and more of them, and they spread further north. Murder rises in Phoenix, and the areas near the border. So does rape, violent crime, theft, larsony, and grand theft auto. In fact, back when the economy took a deep dive a few years back, it was noted, seen, and recorded that many illegals went BACK across the border. Guess what also declined as a result? All the offenses I just listed.
The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions. Although I sympathize with the dire straits of anyone who wishes to come to America for a better life, and rightfully so, I cannot and will not ever think it right to allow them in to the country illegally. Nor will I aid them, in any way. Too much shit comes with it.
What needs to be done? [i]Massive[/i] reform on how one becomes a citizen. This 20 and plus years to become a lawful citizen bullshit is about as asinine as bureaucratic government can get. What also needs to be done? A wall, from the tip of California to the edge of Texas. No one comes in illegally, no one leaves illegally. Manned, gunned, and surveyed. Mexico's drug war problems are their fucking problems, not mine. I want nothing to do with them. The only contact I should have with them is my tax dollars paying for the firearm round that blew apart some Coyote's or drug runner's brains out. But, alas, we're too pussy to make that great of a defense for our country, aren't we?
I don't see the problem with not wanting illegals in our country. What if one day, I packed up and moved to France, without ANY of the required legal procedures?
I get a job, but I don't pay Income tax. I use their various public services, and pay nothing for them.
Would the French government be happy about this? [I]HELL NO.[/I] Why is this so different in America?
Oh, right. The illegals aren't white, therefore this is clearly a case of RACISM, right?
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