Had a little run-in with the law... - General

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[QUOTE=stupid10er;28715804]i seriously dislike stupid people[/QUOTE] i didn't tell them we had a shroom trip planned, if that's what you're thinking. I told him I was waiting for my friend to call. How is that stupid? [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=theXinferno;28722449]wait, did he actually tell the cop he was going to do shrooms? [b]i thought he was just saying that was what he was going to do at his friend's house...[/b][/QUOTE] this. [editline]21st March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BANNED USER;28722360]Bolded what I think is a generic lie to the police make up to make you do something. The police love to fuck around with kids. Generally when you do something dumb (or a misdemeanor, in this case) the cops try to give you a really hard time and scare you straight from doing it again. To drive the point home, they threaten you with jail time (which is what happened in this case, using your positive admittance as a sort of ruse) unless you call the people you fear most. Your parents. Odds are they would have given you tickets, and taken your shrooms, then sent you on your way. But that's just my opinion, it could have been true this time.[/QUOTE] I didn't have shrooms on me. They were with my friend who's house I was going to. and that ticket would have given me jail time, I'm on probation, this was a violation of probation.

Wait, don't they have the right to search you whenever if you're on probation? If so ignore everything I've said.

[QUOTE=Dirtbox;28719337]Yup. Now that you've identified yourself as the problem, just go?[/QUOTE] [url=http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_cop_search_your_vehicle_without_your_consent]Maybe this will clear things up[/url] I've looked into this before quite a lot and asked my good friend's father who is a longtime cop. They need "probable cause", "suspicion of probability", ect. There are limitations to the search like opening locked containers or any container that isn't already opened or see through. You won't win a case arguing that the officer had no reason to have "suspicion" because you'll have no evidence. At which point its his (and likely his buddy's) word over yours. The [b]smartest[/b] thing to do is let the officer do a simple search of your car, hide your shit better, and cover the odor. The only problem here is hopeless optimism caused by blatant ignorance. Just go?

[QUOTE=MetalToast;28730243]I'm on probation[/QUOTE] Being on probation in the US voids your search and seizure rights.

[QUOTE=Release;28735472][url=http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_cop_search_your_vehicle_without_your_consent]Maybe this will clear things up[/url] I've looked into this before quite a lot and asked my good friend's father who is a longtime cop. They need "probable cause", "suspicion of probability", ect. There are limitations to the search like opening locked containers or any container that isn't already opened or see through. You won't win a case arguing that the officer had no reason to have "suspicion" because you'll have no evidence. At which point its his (and likely his buddy's) word over yours. The [b]smartest[/b] thing to do is let the officer do a simple search of your car, hide your shit better, and cover the odor. The only problem here is hopeless optimism caused by blatant ignorance. Just go?[/QUOTE] Just leave, you're wrong. The only reason that the search was legal in this case is because he was on probation.

[QUOTE=CjienX;28735892]Just leave, you're wrong. The only reason that the search was legal in this case is because he was on probation.[/QUOTE] Just leave you're wrong isn't an argument bud. The cop probably didn't know he was on probation.

[QUOTE=Release;28735472][url=http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_cop_search_your_vehicle_without_your_consent]Maybe this will clear things up[/url] I've looked into this before quite a lot and asked my good friend's father who is a longtime cop. They need "probable cause", "suspicion of probability", ect. There are limitations to the search like opening locked containers or any container that isn't already opened or see through. You won't win a case arguing that the officer had no reason to have "suspicion" because you'll have no evidence. At which point its his (and likely his buddy's) word over yours. The [b]smartest[/b] thing to do is let the officer do a simple search of your car, hide your shit better, and cover the odor.[/QUOTE] I agree with the fact that you should hide your stuff well, in a place they can't search, but you shouldn't agree to a search off baseless suspicion. I would not let them search my car even if I didn't have anything illegal in it. That may seem like a waste of time, but rights are more important. If they had probable cause, I would ask them to explicitly state it and challenge it if I found it to be unjust. The smartest thing to do is to not let them search your car and to be knowledgeable of the law.

[QUOTE=Pepin;28736001]I agree with the fact that you should hide your stuff well, in a place they can't search, but you shouldn't agree to a search off baseless suspicion. I would not let them search my car even if I didn't have anything illegal in it. That may seem like a waste of time, but rights are more important. If they had probable cause, I would ask them to explicitly state it and challenge it if I found it to be unjust. The smartest thing to do is to not let them search your car and to be knowledgeable of the law.[/QUOTE] So where in the law does it say a police officer cannot search your car on reasonable suspicion? And please define reasonable suspicion. Also please tell me how you will collect evidence against the police officer when he finds weed sitting under your car seat? The police officer will force you out of the car most of the time if you don't comply with his commands. I mean I can agree with asking the officer his reasoning. If he gives you some reason though you basically have to agree (good luck arguing against "you seem nervous", "your story doesn't make sense", "I smell something odd (even if he's lying)"). If he thinks he's right, then there's nothing you can do. There's a chance you could get the new guy or nice guy who might let you go. Most of the time you're dealing with cops who know how to manipulate the situation.

[QUOTE=Release;28735942]Just leave you're wrong isn't an argument bud. The cop probably didn't know he was on probation.[/QUOTE] Cop asks for ID, cop runs ID, cop sees he's on probation. [quote] They approached and cop A asked for ID's. We gave them to them with no difficulty.[/quote] [QUOTE=Release;28736120]So where in the law does it say a police officer cannot search your car on reasonable suspicion? And please define reasonable suspicion. Also please tell me how you will collect evidence against the police officer when he finds weed sitting under your car seat? The police officer will force you out of the car most of the time if you don't comply with his commands. I mean I can agree with asking the officer his reasoning. If he gives you some reason though you basically have to agree (good luck arguing against "you seem nervous", "your story doesn't make sense", "I smell something odd (even if he's lying)"). If he thinks he's right, then there's nothing you can do. There's a chance you could get the new guy or nice guy who might let you go. Most of the time you're dealing with cops who know how to manipulate the situation.[/QUOTE] If a cop forces you out of the car [b]HE HAS BROKEN THE LAW. YOU CAN AND SHOULD CONTACT A LAWYER[/b] Yes, cops do know how to manipulate the situation, they also know that if you're refusing the search and act like you know your shit, you'll most likely contact a lawyer if they fuck with you. If you just bend over like a fucking idiot like you're saying to, yeah, you won't be able to do jack shit.

Officers can only search your car with reasonable suspicion if they believe you have a weapon in the car or if a crime was recently committed and you fit some profile. You can read about it on wiki or from some other source. It doesn't make any sense to say "completely give in" just because a lot of cops can manipulate the situation. There are more reasons to defend your rights than to let them go. They are going to find whatever you are hiding if you let them search. If you deny them consent to search and they don't have probably cause, you may actually get out of it. Giving in to the search isn't going to lessen your punishment any, all it would do is make the cop's job easier. Your best bet is to respectfully challenge their suspicions. I am not at all arguing that you're going to get off 100% of the time at all because most officers will likely have/make up some form of probable cause, but I am arguing that the only chance at preventing yourself from getting caught in such a situation is to use your rights and not consent. Even if you still get searched and busted, if you have enough evidence to prove that the officer did not have sufficient probable cause, the case gets thrown out. How serious you are to be taken is going to be determined by how much real evidence you have to go against it.

All I'm saying is, if you plan on denying the police officer's request and arguing with him, you better know what your doing and actually plan on spending the time and money going to court. Either way you're going to piss him off more likely than scare him. Its not an easy thing to do. You better actually know your rights and the difference between ASKING and TELLING. Also pepin, probable cause is much broader than that. If they smell the odor of weed that's enough to search your vehicle. In America at least, dunno about UK. [QUOTE=CjienX;28736836] If you just bend over like a fucking idiot like you're saying to, yeah, you won't be able to do jack shit.[/QUOTE] Its these kind of comments that discredit you. You're calling people who comply with police officers because they don't want to make things worse fucking idiots? Good one.

This is why America's legal system is fucking retarded. What's the point of the 4th amendment if cops can just shove it in your face and search your car anyway?

[QUOTE=Release;28740086]All I'm saying is, if you plan on denying the police officer's request and arguing with him, you better know what your doing and actually plan on spending the time and money going to court. Either way you're going to piss him off more likely than scare him. Its not an easy thing to do. You better actually know your rights and the difference between ASKING and TELLING. Also pepin, probable cause is much broader than that. If they smell the odor of weed that's enough to search your vehicle. In America at least, dunno about UK. Its these kind of comments that discredit you. You're calling people who comply with police officers because they don't want to make things worse fucking idiots? Good one.[/QUOTE] Yes, I am calling people who bend over and comply unquestioningly idiots, because if people would learn their rights and not just let the cops walk all over them because they have a badge then we wouldn't have so many cases of illegal search and seizure. By the way, just because they find weed doesn't mean shit, last I checked they can only use things LEGALLY seized against you.

[QUOTE=MetalToast;28730243]i didn't tell them we had a shroom trip planned, if that's what you're thinking. I told him I was waiting for my friend to call. How is that stupid? this. [/QUOTE Because if you actually used your brain this could've been avoided. You: "Howdy Officer" Cop: "What are you doing?" You: "Going to the local (insert whatever boring place you go to) Cop: "Ok stay out of trouble. If you didn't talk about drugs, he wouldn't have searched you. If you didn't tell the truth, you wouldn't have gotten tickets.

Booooorrrrn in the netherlands :)

[QUOTE=Release;28716571]ITT: people pretending like they know anything about how the court system works.[/QUOTE] ITP: an idiot who knows nothing

Simplest thing to do it either don't carry drugs with you if you're driving around unless you need to, and if you are, hide it somewhere creatively, for example places right in your face but where you're not going to look, and if the cops come, just casually tell them they can search your car if they ask - 90% of the time if it's just a general stop and you haven't been stopped for a specific reason, they most likely wont search any further than on the floor/seats/glove box

[QUOTE=Imaledgev2;28766959]Simplest thing to do it either don't carry drugs with you if you're driving around unless you need to, and if you are, hide it somewhere creatively, for example places right in your face but where you're not going to look, and if the cops come, just casually tell them they can search your car if they ask - 90% of the time if it's just a general stop and you haven't been stopped for a specific reason, they most likely wont search any further than on the floor/seats/glove box[/QUOTE] if they search your car they usually just have you step out, which catches a lot of idiots right then because they either freak out and sit on it or they have it in their pocket then they'll have a seat and open the glovebox if they smell something when they get in they'll search more thoroughly, but otherwise they'll hop right out tell you you're free to go and go on with their day in summary don't smoke in your car and your car will smell fine

[QUOTE=stupid10er;28756642][QUOTE=MetalToast;28730243]i didn't tell them we had a shroom trip planned, if that's what you're thinking. I told him I was waiting for my friend to call. How is that stupid? this. [/QUOTE] Because if you actually used your brain this could've been avoided. You: "Howdy Officer" Cop: "What are you doing?" You: "Going to the local (insert whatever boring place you go to) Cop: "Ok stay out of trouble. If you didn't talk about drugs, he wouldn't have searched you. If you didn't tell the truth, you wouldn't have gotten tickets.[/QUOTE] did you read the post even? No talk about drugs was involved, and I didn't get a ticket.

I'm pretty good with police, I'm always friendly and respectful even if their issue is directed toward me. For example a few weeks ago there was a massive police raid at my neighbor's house and I was just pulling into my house to grab my car battery charger from the garage. I didn't shut my engine off because the car wouldn't start again (Battery was low due to alternator issue), so I ran inside and grabbed the charger and started to back out into the cul de sac. Right before I'm about to take off an officer motions for me to stop because he wanted to ask why I was being suspicious since I didn't enter through my front door or shut my engine off. Mind you I was driving my dad's 1966 Galaxie 500 with a 390 V8 in it, so that fucker was loud and rumbling. I explained my situation to the officer which he found reasonable enough, but then he asked if he could search my car. I didn't have anything illegal in my car or on me, but in my back seat were my airsoft guns under a blanket, all of which are full metal, and as real looking as any other firearm. (I was going to camp with my friends/have a match/drink/etc..) Although the trunk of that car is fucking massive I couldn't put them back there because my dad had it filled up with spare parts, tools, and other crap. Anyways, I told him that I had airsoft guns which were tucked away in my backseat safe and out of view, he asked me to step out of the car and go to the front all while the SWAT team is staring me down ready for anything. He checks everything and makes sure it's all kosher and comes back just to tell me to be safe and next time carry them in the trunk. It's great though because he asked me what they were for and got interested in the sport for a short while until he realized that he couldn't be wasting anymore time. So story ends with him wishing me a good time and me telling him to be careful and take it easy. Moral of the story, cops are nice unless you give them a reason not to be. That and if you carry pot don't keep it anywhere inside the cabin of your vehicle. I know a few people who have been searched and have got away with possession by just hiding it in the fender or behind they're headlamps (Although that is iffy from car to car because that could start burning if you put it too close). I've been stopped plenty of times (mainly on big drinking holidays) and am just friendly to the officer, so they don't hassle me so much. It's when you get nervous that they then go into asshole mode.

Or, you know, if you just get a cop that's a douche.

[QUOTE=CjienX;28773944]Or, you know, if you just get a cop that's a douche.[/QUOTE] Have sex with his wife and youngest daughter. That'll show him.

[QUOTE=MetalToast;28768058]did you read the post even? No talk about drugs was involved, and I didn't get a ticket.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MetalToast;28713980] I told them the truth. You see, I was waiting for my friend Joe to call so I could go there for the night, we had a shroom trip planned.[/QUOTE] well golly, that sure looks like talk about drugs.

I read somewhere that buying a didlo and hiding your weed in there is good as no cop is gonna want to touch your filthy sex toy.

[QUOTE=stupid10er;28774490]well golly, that sure looks like talk about drugs.[/QUOTE] holy shit, learn to read. I DIDN'T TELL HIM ABOUT THE SHROOMS. that's just what was going to happen that night.

[QUOTE=MetalToast;28802760]holy shit, learn to read. I DIDN'T TELL HIM ABOUT THE SHROOMS. that's just what was going to happen that night.[/QUOTE] I lol'd. Metal, please learn a troll... and if he's not trolling you (even though he is) then he's just dumb. Let it be.

I`ve learned the hard way that you can`t let the police jerk you around. Never be entirely honest and forthcoming with them-- you lose all power in the circumstance. [editline]26th March 2011[/editline] Also, I always carry a sound recorder with me in my vehicle. I use it for my job as well, but it will come in handy when in a confrontation.

[QUOTE=MetalToast;28802760]holy shit, learn to read. I DIDN'T TELL HIM ABOUT THE SHROOMS. that's just what was going to happen that night.[/QUOTE] learn to transition into sentences so your 2 clauses don't sound intertwined. "I told them the truth" if it was said to the cops(and it looks that way, so you must be a fucking idiot), followed by the truth sounds like you spilt your guts to them.