• Hatred - "Human Shields" Gameplay Trailer
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[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;47651307]Because it looks bad?[/QUOTE] Very subjective. Looks pretty interesting to me.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;47651462]Too be fair the same could be said for "kill everyone because aliens".[/QUOTE] And wouldn't that make games like CS:GO the laziest because there aren't that much story to it?
[QUOTE=gokiyono;47651486]And wouldn't that make games like CS:GO the laziest because there aren't that much story to it?[/QUOTE] No, Because CS:GO is a totally gameplay focused game.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47651516]No, Because CS:GO is a totally gameplay focused game.[/QUOTE] And what makes you think this game isn't gameplay-focused?
why does it suddenly matter so much to people that this game is lazy and only made to generate controversy?
[QUOTE=Renegade Master;47651555]And what makes you think this game isn't gameplay-focused?[/QUOTE] Because it's singleplayer and has a campaign, which means it needs to have something to actually tie all the levels together?
[QUOTE=simkas;47651588]Because it's singleplayer and has a campaign, which means it needs to have something to actually tie all the levels together?[/QUOTE] very likely it only has a token story, which wasn't a problem for doom or postal
[QUOTE=thejjokerr;47651606]Wow this isn't at all what I expected when I first heard of this. Lovely style, looks like something I would play if the story was more interesting than "kill npc's for little to no reason".[/QUOTE] there is a story, the devs confirmed.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47651600]very likely it only has a token story, which wasn't a problem for doom or postal[/QUOTE] Doom and Postal were in a time when you had a choice between story or gameplay because your game had a handful of people working on it. The most you got was a one page description in the manual. Just because old games did it, doesn't mean that new games are ok for doing it. Standards change.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;47651486]And wouldn't that make games like CS:GO the laziest because there aren't that much story to it?[/QUOTE] Csgo doesnt even has a story, and it isn't meant to have one either.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47651648]Doom and Postal were in a time when you had a choice between story or gameplay because your game had a handful of people working on it. The most you got was a one page description in the manual. Just because old games did it, doesn't mean that new games are ok for doing it. Standards change.[/QUOTE] so what about postal 2? serious sam? the painkiller games? they're all singleplayer games with token stories at best, yet people don't seem to get all up in arms about it for them.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47651456]Very subjective. Looks pretty interesting to me.[/QUOTE] It should be a given that I was stating my opinion. And in my opinion I think visually it looks boring, the gameplay looks boring, and what writing we've seen is cringe worthy at best. [editline]3rd May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47651737]so what about postal 2? serious sam? the painkiller games? they're all singleplayer games with token stories at best, yet people don't seem to get all up in arms about it for them.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to tell us Postal 2 didn't cause controversy?
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47651737]so what about postal 2? serious sam? the painkiller games? they're all singleplayer games with token stories at best, yet people don't seem to get all up in arms about it for them.[/QUOTE] The difference with those is that they have stuff that happens in game to further the story, even if it is small. NETRICSA will tell you about a monster or a weapon, or about the area you're in in Serious Sam. One of Postal 2's elements is the events that happen mid level, like the bank robbery early on. I can't speak for Painkiller since I've never played it, though. my point is that while the stories aren't in-depth, there's still more to those games then Doom story-wise. A game doesn't need 10 minute cinematics to have a story.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47651737]so what about postal 2? serious sam? the painkiller games? they're all singleplayer games with token stories at best, yet people don't seem to get all up in arms about it for them.[/QUOTE] Those games at least knew what they were doing. I don't even like Postal 2 much, and that game was obviously just trying to be as offensive as possible as well, but in the very least it was self-aware about it and tried not to take itself so seriously, unlike this. I just can't get past how awful the dialogue is, and how hard it tries to be some edgy "fuck the world" murder sim.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;47651750] Are you trying to tell us Postal 2 didn't cause controversy?[/QUOTE] i'm talking about nowadays, and not so much about controversy, more about people saying that sp games need to have an interesting story instead of a token one. [editline]3rd May 2015[/editline] for me, i can see that story isn't meant to be anywhere near the focus of this game, so i'm setting that aside in my measure of how good it might be. and you can totally have your opinion on it, it jhst seems like people are being harder on it for story than it seems like i've seen for other games with similar situation story-wise
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;47651833]Those games at least knew what they were doing. I don't even like Postal 2 much, and that game was obviously just trying to be as offensive as possible as well, but in the very least it was self-aware about it and tried not to take itself so seriously, unlike this. I just can't get past how awful the dialogue is, and how hard it tries to be some edgy "fuck the world" murder sim.[/QUOTE] But it isn't trying to be serious or realistic, It's obviously over the top and meant to be enjoyed. Just because it's not satirical like postal doesn't mean it's serious. You can tell it's exaggeratedly dark.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;47650551]Nobody's really saying it looks bad just because there's a lot of killing involved, it's more the fact that it seems like it's written and created by a bunch of angsty scene kids trying to create controversy. It's just cringeworthy and lazy.[/QUOTE] You repeat this, but it turns out not to have any basis in reality. [editline]3rd May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MisterMooth;47651301]what isn't lazy about "kill everyone because angst"[/QUOTE] You know, I don't think this game is going to be very good by and large but you don't actually KNOW what the story is so judging it on anything else is just you being a bit, judgmental. [editline]3rd May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MisterMooth;47651833]Those games at least knew what they were doing. I don't even like Postal 2 much, and that game was obviously just trying to be as offensive as possible as well, but in the very least it was self-aware about it and tried not to take itself so seriously, unlike this. I just can't get past how awful the dialogue is, and how hard it tries to be some edgy "fuck the world" murder sim.[/QUOTE] Have you actually played either Postal game? They're far more brutal and "cringey". It's just this is new, so it's time for everyone to act like this really is a new level of violence. It isn't. This is old hat, and always was old hat.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47651737]so what about postal 2? serious sam? the painkiller games? they're all singleplayer games with token stories at best, yet people don't seem to get all up in arms about it for them.[/QUOTE] This is not an arena shooter. Not to mention, there are cut scenes and an obvious portrayed character. You don't know anything about the characters in the games you listed because they're supposed to be average joe's. This guy is obviously not supposed to be seen as "you, the player".
[QUOTE=Zadrave;47651969]This is not an arena shooter.[/QUOTE] you're right, its a top-down shooter. this changes what exactly? are arena shooters given a pass because they've always lacked story of consequence? if so, then i'm sorry but that is a really lame excuse. [editline]3rd May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zadrave;47651969]Not to mention, there are cut scenes and an obvious portrayed character. You don't know anything about the character sin the game you listed because they're supposed to be average joe's.[/QUOTE] the postal dude is given as much backstory and character, if not more, than what we've seen of the dude in hatred. serious sam is not at all just an average joe, he has his own character as well. doesn't change the story being little more than an excuse to progress the game in those
Sort of unrelated but the Postal Dude from Postal 1 actually had a fairly detailed backstory.
any game that lets me piss on someone is far more "cringey " and "edgy" than this
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47651916]You know, I don't think this game is going to be very good by and large but you don't actually KNOW what the story is so judging it on anything else is just you being a bit, judgmental.[/QUOTE] I'm just going by the trailers and the official description: [QUOTE]Hatred is an isometric shooter with disturbing atmosphere of mass killing, where player takes the role of a cold blood antagonist, who is full of hatred for humanity. It's a horror, but here YOU are the villain. Wander the outskirts of New York State, seek for victims on seven free-roam levels. Fight against law enforcement and take a journey into the antagonist's hateful mind. Gather equipment of the dead ‘human shields’ to spread Armageddon upon society. Destroy everything on your way of hunt and fight back when it's disturbed...[/QUOTE] Don't tell me there's going to be some deep, nuanced plot from this. When you can only describe the main character as being "full of hatred for humanity" you can't really expect much. It's literally "kill everyone because angst". And I am judging it for looking dumb as hell. I'm not allowed to criticise some trailers for having shitty dialogue and looking dumb?
Sure you are, I'm not allowed to voice my difference in belief with you? No one is trying to silence you so don't even start that shit. We're having a discussion. I don't know what the story is going to be, I don't presume to know, and if they manage to actually put a story in it as a surprise element of the game, good for them, but i'm not going to assume I know enough about the future of a title that I haven't seen in detail besides promotional material to claim it will be one way or the other with certainty.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47652134]Sure you are, I'm not allowed to voice my difference in belief with you? No one is trying to silence you so don't even start that shit. We're having a discussion. I don't know what the story is going to be, I don't presume to know, and if they manage to actually put a story in it as a surprise element of the game, good for them, but i'm not going to assume I know enough about the future of a title that I haven't seen in detail besides promotional material to claim it will be one way or the other with certainty.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it's absolutely going to be one way or another, but as it stands I think it looks pretty dumb. Trailers are meant to show off the game and get people interested, and clearly these are just trying to sell it as a brutal shooter about mass murder with an angsty anti/protagonist. I just really can't get over how bad the dialogue is in the trailers, and I think that gives enough indication about how the character is going to be in the final game. Even if the gameplay is fine, I don't think I could be able to play through that.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;47652162]I'm not saying it's absolutely going to be one way or another, but as it stands I think it looks pretty dumb. Trailers are meant to show off the game and get people interested, and clearly these are just trying to sell it as a brutal shooter about mass murder with an angsty anti/protagonist. I just really can't get over how bad the dialogue is in the trailers, and I think that gives enough indication about how the character is going to be in the final game. Even if the gameplay is fine, I don't think I could be able to play through that.[/QUOTE] I just really don't think it's as serious as you think it is. They most likely made it like that specifically to irk people who are easily irked by meaningless things like this
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47652169]I just really don't think it's as serious as you think it is. They most likely made it like that specifically to irk people who are easily irked by meaningless things like this[/QUOTE] But either way, I think it's pretty lame and lazy to make a game just to create controversy, or to rely on that just to get some sales. It looks like it's trying way too hard.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;47652232]But either way, I think it's pretty lame and lazy to make a game just to create controversy, or to rely on that just to get some sales. It looks like it's trying way too hard.[/QUOTE] If you think about it, it's kinda genius. If it wasn't for all the attention people like you gave it by being mad at it, it wouldn't have become as popular.
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;47652232]But either way, I think it's pretty lame and lazy to make a game just to create controversy, or to rely on that just to get some sales. It looks like it's trying way too hard.[/QUOTE] I never would have known about this game if not for the uproar of people who couldn't handle that this was a thing. I'd say it worked and I'd say I don't care that it's lazy because all it would have taken to fail is people like yourself ignoring it.
I'm kind of hoping they're holding something back from us. Like kill enough civilians and they send in the police, then the national guard, then the full military, then aliens, then elder gods
still looks really shit
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