Falklands/Malvina's territory claims - General

[QUOTE=MasadaEntGroup;39976932]GB controls swathes of Argentine territories (water wise) and could potentially threaten sea lanes. It runs afoul of American tradition with the Monroe Doctrine[/QUOTE] But those sea lanes are still British.

[QUOTE=MasadaEntGroup;39976932]GB controls swathes of [b]British[/b] territories (water wise)[/QUOTE] Fixed.

[QUOTE=MasadaEntGroup;39976932]GB controls swathes of Argentine territories (water wise) and could potentially threaten sea lanes. It runs afoul of American tradition with the Monroe Doctrine[/QUOTE] the monroe doctrine, america's greatest bluff, one that britain completely called, seriously, it could not really be enforced in any way [editline]21st March 2013[/editline] also it only applied to future colonial expansion, what was already claimed, which was all of south america, was still allowed [editline]21st March 2013[/editline] also the brits actually were the ones who enforced it, they didn't want the rest of the world to end up like europe in the post-Napoleonic period so ya......

It doesn't matters if the islands [I]used[/I] to belong to Argentina or not. The only thing that matters is the [B]now[/B], and right now the UK has total control of the islands, and has the support of the native population (You know, people actually born there). The islands are, and must remain, British until the Kelpers decide otherwise.

[QUOTE=MasadaEntGroup;39976932]GB controls swathes of Argentine territories (water wise) and could potentially threaten sea lanes. It runs afoul of American tradition with the Monroe Doctrine[/QUOTE] The Monroe Doctrine was basically a pact with the British to keep the Spanish out. It was enforced with Royal Navy boats.

It's a simple enough issue. Ask the islanders which flag they would rather have flying over their homes. Whichever country is chosen by the majority is the one which controls the islands. And right now that flag is the Union Jack. So yeah. They're British, they wish to remain so, and as far as I'm concerned that's the end of it.

What is left to discuss here? I mean, WE engaged war with a naval powerhouse over goddamned islands and WE lost, so naturally, no matter how much the goverment cries and make fools of themselves in front of the UN, they don't belong to us. Oh, but don't you dare to say that here in Argentina because somehow people are proud of the pile of shit we call "country" nowadays, so most people will just beat your face in if you do. [editline]4th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Superkilll307;39970585]How is the Malvinas conflict taught in schools? I assume its biased, but to what degree? Are the English Portrayed as modern day mongals or just people holding on to a shattered empire.[/QUOTE] They are portrayed as evil corporate men who took away what was ours and won't give it back like they should. We have 30 minute lectures about that crap every Malvinas Day (yes, that actually exists) in my school. We're also, in a way, taught to hate everything related directly to the British. Heck, one day a kid was almost suspended for bringing a bag with a British flag to school, despite the fact that there are no veterans or sons of veterans in our school. It honestly gets ridiculous after a certain point and it's what made me start hating patriotism in general.

If they want to be British they can be Even though i [b]really[/b] dislike when a country has a territore on the other side of the world from it's main area

[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;43435333]If they want to be British they can be Even though i [b]really[/b] dislike when a country has a territore on the other side of the world from it's main area[/QUOTE] Why? It's filled with almost all British people anyway. It's not as if it's British controlled but populated with non-British citizens.

I think the big issue is that we (the British) claim to have rights to it simply from the fact we've had the longest continual occupation of it (which was broken only by the Argentine invasion and then dominion was reestablished soon after we liberated it.) Whereas the Argentines claim it as part of their land as part of their secession with Spain. Fun fact: Argentina once had a naval base since 1976 on the South Sandwich islands which they also claimed a sovereign right to however this was immediately closed by the Royal Navy in 1982 when they invaded the Falklands. Overall the British still have and should retain the rightful sovereignty over the island since they actively care about the populace of the Falklands and their opinions on the matter.

Falklands are british. The people there are british and wish to stay as such. The debate on who owns it from what I remember only flared up when we started inspecting the sea and areas around it for oil which was 1 or 2 years ago now.

[QUOTE=MasadaEntGroup;39976932]GB controls swathes of Argentine territories (water wise) and could potentially threaten sea lanes. It runs afoul of American tradition with the Monroe Doctrine[/QUOTE] Well and the US is semi supporting of Argentina on the issue and dissuaded the UK on the intervention. The fact is, they are still a which doesn't hold a lot of weight in this conflict itself and the UK is one of their oldest partners, so they are very much unwilling to take any direct actions against them. On top of them, according to US officials, the Monroe doctrine is no longer in effect.

Also forgot to mention this little gem that's on every map sold here: [T]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mB5HwkA4ciU/TXO1pnAb7vI/AAAAAAAAAFM/cq_XGhLA4JE/s1600/ARGENTINA%2BPOLITICO%2BESCANEADO.jpg[/T] "Welcome to Argentina, where we have our heads stuck so far up our hurt asses we'll teach you stuff that is wrong!"

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;39935613]Britain is starting to develop a history of taking small enclaves of the world (Hong Kong, Singapore, Falklands, etc) and building them up into amazing industrial powerhouses with tons of freedom.. and giving them to the totalitarian locals/tribals (PROC, Zimbabwe, rest of Africa, etc). It's really depressing watching alot of these places going downhill.[/QUOTE] Singapore is still independent and a strong US Ally. So much so they are one of the few countries to have troops stationed in the US. They have a lot of fighter wings based out of west cost USAF bases. Singapore is an awesome place to go.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;39935613]Both the UK/Argentina have some interest on the island's resources but it was Britain that developed the area so it could harvest the resources. Britain is starting to develop a history of taking small enclaves of the world (Hong Kong, Singapore, Falklands, etc) and building them up into amazing industrial powerhouses with tons of freedom.. and giving them to the totalitarian locals/tribals (PROC, Zimbabwe, rest of Africa, etc). It's really depressing watching alot of these places going downhill. I support the UK on the issue[/QUOTE] Slow down there, while some of this is true in cases, people have a tenancy to whitewash colonialism in general, especially British colonialism. It's a double edged sword and one edge is sharper depending on which country people were standing in. In the case of the falklands, they were rather sparsley inhabited in the first place, still are, and they want to be a british colony, so the matter is sort of solved already.