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have you noticed how your stuff never really blends like it would with pen pressure? you have solid colors that don't blend at all, and your low opacity technique looks quite amateurish. why don't you just use pen pressure? it looks better, fin.
what i want to say is, drop your habit and start using pen pressure because you're wasting your potential because of a (bad) habit of yours. it should always be 100% opacity and you should only change the flow when it comes to blending colors. i mean seriously, man. stop being stubborn :p
and i didn't mean to come out as rude or anything, it's just that now that you explained to everyone you don't use pen pressure i understand why your pieces always seem unfinished. stuff looks rough even when you put ALL YOUR EFFORT into it and that's because you don't... use... pen... pressure! i mean why wouldn't you use it? it's what gives the ~flow~ to the rendering!
but whatevs man. what i'm saying is, your "technique" is a bad habit and you should drop it and get used to painting with 100% opacity. it's a fact that it's better, just read what dgg (omg i'm agreeing with dgg) posted on the last page.
I etched a honeybee onto a piece of glass. Took about half an hour or so. Lit up with LEDs.
[img]http://i.cubeupload.com/qtWSan.jpg[/img]
Even imagining scratching a drawing onto glass makes me uncomfortable
[QUOTE=MenteR;39468853]have you noticed how your stuff never really blends like it would with pen pressure? you have solid colors that don't blend at all, and your low opacity technique looks quite amateurish. why don't you just use pen pressure? it looks better, fin.
what i want to say is, drop your habit and start using pen pressure because you're wasting your potential because of a (bad) habit of yours. it should always be 100% opacity and you should only change the flow when it comes to blending colors. i mean seriously, man. stop being stubborn :p
and i didn't mean to come out as rude or anything, it's just that now that you explained to everyone you don't use pen pressure i understand why your pieces always seem unfinished. stuff looks rough even when you put ALL YOUR EFFORT into it and that's because you don't... use... pen... pressure! i mean why wouldn't you use it? it's what gives the ~flow~ to the rendering!
but whatevs man. what i'm saying is, your "technique" is a bad habit and you should drop it and get used to painting with 100% opacity. it's a fact that it's better, just read what dgg (omg i'm agreeing with dgg) posted on the last page.[/QUOTE]
I still disagree. Don't worry I'll read this all again once I've had some space from the issue and I'll rethink it all then. But at the moment, it's just a case of 'if I gave myself the time to go back and smooth out what I thought needed to be smoothed out, it would look just the same'.
My current workflow is just to lay down colours and refine later. I enjoy visible brush strokes and I don't think they detract at all from any sense of quality or professionalism as long as they're used well.
Dgg's posts didn't resonate with me simply because my only concern related to the issue (whether or not colour quality resulting from the different blending techniques was a factor in the choice of technique)
If I was going for a really refined illustrative style, then I'd go back and blend what needed to be blended. But when my stuff is more about concept design than commercial illustration, things don't need to be that finely rendered. They look unfinished because they are- I'm trying to convey stuff with as quickly as possible - a lot of times, getting in and really refining all the little details isn't something I enjoy doing. I'm more of an 'early project rough designs world-building idea generation' Feng Zhu than a 'polished final illustration' Sam Burley.
I mean I'm pretty happy with the aesthetic [URL="http://zacharyhogan.deviantart.com/art/Ribs-350760726"]here[/URL] and [URL="http://zacharyhogan.deviantart.com/art/Jacob-s-Ladder-348410177"]here[/URL], and those were both done with manual opacity control. The 'ribs' one is definitely 'chunky' but it works.
Sure, I'm being stubborn, but it's because I don't see any reason for me to change things up. I don't like to spend too long working on stuff and having to keep an eye on how hard I'm pressing all the time doesn't fit how I work at the moment. It was nice playing with pressure sensitivity the other day, and I'll mess with it some more this week, but I'm not promising any changes or anything.
Thanks for your concern though! I understand where your coming from but this is purely a context and aesthetic issue rather than an objective technique issue.
To clarity on my use of opacity - it is always at 100 (or very near 100) unless I'm blending colours or laying in some quick fog or something.
[QUOTE=rikimaru6811;39468809]How do I dog?
[t]http://puu.sh/1XgaP[/t][t]http://puu.sh/1Xgb0[/t][/QUOTE]
The neck is too short in both skeletal drawings, it almost looks like prehistoric tetrapods with the gigantic pectoral girdle almost touching the jaw (All mammals minus sloths have 7 cervical vertebrae)
Also, those skulls, specially the lower skeleton one's, look anapsid, and unless you're a horse or an artiodactyl I don't think anything can walk with an humerus that short.
Not to mention, the poor thing has no pelvis, nor a scapula with attachment processes (with a huge hole instead), and two tibias/fibulas.
[QUOTE=Jorori;39470202]The neck is too short in both skeletal drawings, it almost looks like prehistoric tetrapods with the gigantic pectoral girdle almost touching the jaw (All mammals minus sloths have 7 cervical vertebrae)
Also, those skulls, specially the lower skeleton one's, look anapsid, and unless you're a horse or an artiodactyl I don't think anything can walk with an humerus that short.
Not to mention, the poor thing has no pelvis, nor a scapula with attachment processes (with a huge hole instead), and two tibias/fibulas.[/QUOTE]
So.. so many new words..
That lower skeleton, does not exist in real life. So, I kinda knew it was wrong. Very wrong.
Thanks for the comment.
maloof. just look at how unrefined your stuff looks eventhough you put all your effort into it.
this could be easily avoided if you just used pen pressure, but if you wanna keep wasting away your potential and doing it with a overly difficult technique for no reason at all (pen pressure =/= opacity) sure, go ahead. you're doing a fake pen pressure for no reason at all.
this:
[IMG]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/028/b/4/ribs_by_zacharyhogan-d5su0pi.jpg[/IMG]
does not look pleasing to me. it's all scribbly and stuff doesn't blend properly because you're throwing away a key feature of a tablet in the first place. but if you wanna keep doing this, fine. i'm just giving you some excellent advice: drop this habit and start using pen pressure because it's very important and gives you better results.
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and visible brush strokes don't detract from any sense of quality. but when they don't even blend properly yes they do. every piece of yours looks unfinished. you have some neat ideas but you're throwing this away by being stubborn and using OPACITY. opacity should always be 100% and you should blend stuff using your pen pressure and flow.
it would NOT look the same if you went back into it and used pen pressure, you're right. it would look tons better. just give it a try for a bloody week and you'll never go back to changing opacity. any tut on how to begin using a tablet shows that changing opacity is a bad habit and many amateurs take it into consideration. as soon as you start using the flow and pen pressure only you'll see that you've been missing out all along.
you do some cool pieces, but you waste twice as more time on it and get twice as less the result. your pieces are bound to look way better if you actually followed this advice.
I dunno MenteR.. Maloof? has his very own style and I kinda like it.
yeah it's nice but he's wasting away his potential if he keeps using this "change opacity" technique to blend colors. he clearly knows about composition, color theory and has some crazy good ideas but this "technique" of his is definitely holding him back from doing better pieces.
[QUOTE=MenteR;39471469]yeah it's nice but he's wasting away his potential if he keeps using this "change opacity" technique to blend colors. he clearly knows about composition, color theory and has some crazy good ideas but this "technique" of his is definitely holding him back from doing better pieces.[/QUOTE]
You're forgetting art is subjective, and that'd it be only "better" to you. He just explained how it isn't his style to depict final-version professionalism, and that it's a choice to have a different style than what you approve of. How exactly is it holding him back at all any more than it stopped Feng Zhu?
he is throwing away a key feature a tablet provides. it's stupidly useful for everything. flow + pen pressure are ~~~~~~~key~~~~~~~ features for color blending and rendering in general.
i'm just saying he would be way more pleased with the final result if he started using pen pressure and flow. sure art is subjective but developing your style =/= limiting yourself to blending colors on photoshop using opacity.
i'll stop arguing here. just give it a try maloof. geez. and 100% opacity when you're laying down colors doesn't help too much either because you don't have pen pressure and it looks like you just slapped solid colors with a mouse. you might as well just use a mouse to do your pieces.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;39472826]You're forgetting art is subjective, and that'd it be only "better" to you. He just explained how it isn't his style to depict final-version professionalism, and that it's a choice to have a different style than what you approve of. How exactly is it holding him back at all any more than it stopped Feng Zhu?[/QUOTE]
Well I think the issue is that it sounds like the tool controls him more than he does it.
You can have the same "style" with the pressure settings, but that's different to me than getting the result by purposefully handicapping yourself.
Even if he wants to continue doing it that way, even that style will benefit from practicing outside the box.
[QUOTE=MenteR;39471427]maloof. just look at how unrefined your stuff looks eventhough you put all your effort into it.
this could be easily avoided if you just used pen pressure, but if you wanna keep wasting away your potential and doing it with a overly difficult technique for no reason at all (pen pressure =/= opacity) sure, go ahead. you're doing a fake pen pressure for no reason at all.
this:
[IMG]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/028/b/4/ribs_by_zacharyhogan-d5su0pi.jpg[/IMG]
does not look pleasing to me. it's all scribbly and stuff doesn't blend properly because you're throwing away a key feature of a tablet in the first place. but if you wanna keep doing this, fine. i'm just giving you some excellent advice: drop this habit and start using pen pressure because it's very important and gives you better results.
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and visible brush strokes don't detract from any sense of quality. but when they don't even blend properly yes they do. every piece of yours looks unfinished. you have some neat ideas but you're throwing this away by being stubborn and using OPACITY. opacity should always be 100% and you should blend stuff using your pen pressure and flow.
it would NOT look the same if you went back into it and used pen pressure, you're right. it would look tons better. just give it a try for a bloody week and you'll never go back to changing opacity. any tut on how to begin using a tablet shows that changing opacity is a bad habit and many amateurs take it into consideration. as soon as you start using the flow and pen pressure only you'll see that you've been missing out all along.
you do some cool pieces, but you waste twice as more time on it and get twice as less the result. your pieces are bound to look way better if you actually followed this advice.[/QUOTE]
I disagree that going back and blending with opacity will look any different than using transfer; yes it'll take a little while longer but surely that's my perogative
I said, I enjoyed the sensation of using it the other day and I'll try it out in a larger painting later this week; we'll see how it goes
Also I've never seen any tut regarding opacity; and the mindset of treating tuts as gospel is a dangerous one to have.
[QUOTE=rikimaru6811;39470252]So.. so many new words..
That lower skeleton, does not exist in real life. So, I kinda knew it was wrong. Very wrong.
Thanks for the comment.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome :smile:
It's ok if it doesn't exist, it's something I also like to do; but you have to keep functionality and plausibility in mind when doing those designs, as in "this creature is going to be able to move, eat, breathe and live properly".
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;39472826]You're forgetting art is subjective, and that'd it be only "better" to you. He just explained how it isn't his style to depict final-version professionalism, and that it's a choice to have a different style than what you approve of. How exactly is it holding him back at all any more than it stopped Feng Zhu?[/QUOTE]
I might not have the experience in art to say this, but I think MenteR is purely talking technical wise, and by using proper techniques he can achieve much more and develop the style he has now/wants to achieve in a more proper way. You can say art is subjective but all artists first achieve a high technical level and then develop a personal style after that. Instead of working with one style instead of developing their technical skills maximally. Hell, it might even be his comfort zone to stay within this one style. Who knows.
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Should I keep working on this?
Yesh, make the rocks really fucking interesting too, lots of potential.
they look like a great old decayed set of those toy figures you get on pedestals for stuff
[editline]4th February 2013[/editline]
a bit like inception
Reminds me of my Island's coastline
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aple
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Assuming it's outside, I'd give a stronger blue tint and darker shading on that lower right side, and brighten that shadow cast on the ground a fair amount too; unless there's no ambient light it's way too dark
[editline]5th February 2013[/editline]
I like the dried-out leaf though
wow ur right i completely forgot about the shadow lol. i laid it down as soon as i started laying down the colors and never touched it anymore.
[QUOTE=MenteR;39477436]wow ur right i completely forgot about the shadow lol. i laid it down as soon as i started laying down the colors and never touched it anymore.[/QUOTE]
I used to forget it all the time! From what I've seen, shadows also tend to get a little more saturated along that fuzzy transition between light and shadow
