[QUOTE=Svinnik;50201937][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/gkTie10.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I mean, it's a sick burn and all, but the onion was practically bought up by Hillary.
Don't lose faith guys, it's definitely not over yet. Every primary from here on out are open primaries and Bernie has an overwhelming lead with independents so anything is possible.
Plus I'm really hoping that our justice system will actually come through for us for once and Hillary will be indicted for her gross negligence in handling classified information on her private server that was created so she could hide her shady, corrupt affairs from the government.
So with any luck we won't even have to worry about that bitch anymore and Bernie will go on to the general election so he can destroy Trump, and then we can finally work together on rebuilding our broken system and truly making the United States the greatest nation on Earth!
[QUOTE=Aftermath;50221915]Don't lose faith guys, it's definitely not over yet. Every primary from here on out are open primaries and Bernie has an overwhelming lead with independents so anything is possible.
Plus I'm really hoping that our justice system will actually come through for us for once and Hillary will be indicted for her gross negligence in handling classified information on her private server that was created so she could hide her shady, corrupt affairs from the government.
So with any luck we won't even have to worry about that bitch anymore and Bernie will go on to the general election so he can destroy Trump, and then we can finally work together on rebuilding our broken system and truly making the United States the greatest nation on Earth![/QUOTE]
Is this sarcasm or am I literally witnessing some Bernie math?
Also I feel obliged to say that Hillary has actually won more open primaries than Bernie.
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;50219524]I mean, it's a sick burn and all, but the onion was practically bought up by Hillary.[/QUOTE]
That's not actually from The Onion though, it's an edit of this article: [url]http://www.theonion.com/article/gop-statisticians-develop-new-branch-math-formulat-52463[/url]
[QUOTE=Aftermath;50221915]Don't lose faith guys, it's definitely not over yet. Every primary from here on out are open primaries and Bernie has an overwhelming lead with independents so anything is possible.
Plus I'm really hoping that our justice system will actually come through for us for once and Hillary will be indicted for her gross negligence in handling classified information on her private server that was created so she could hide her shady, corrupt affairs from the government.
So with any luck we won't even have to worry about that bitch anymore and Bernie will go on to the general election so he can destroy Trump, and then we can finally work together on rebuilding our broken system and truly making the United States the greatest nation on Earth![/QUOTE]
If the justice system would not indict Cheney for his hunting accident, I doubt they would care about Clinton.
[QUOTE=sb27;50221938]Is this sarcasm or am I literally witnessing some Bernie math?
Also I feel obliged to say that Hillary has actually won more open primaries than Bernie.[/QUOTE]
What you're witnessing is optimism that good will have the chance to trump evil this election and I won't have to vote for the lesser of two evils again like we always do.
And you should go do some more research because you're wrong. Take a look at Tuesdays primaries for example, Rhode Island just happened to be the only state with an open primary out of the 5 that were voting that day and he beat her by 12% there.
Not to mention the many accounts of voter fraud that's happened in states that were more likely to vote for Bernie. 126,000 people were purged from their parties without verification in his home state Brooklyn alone... You think we're going to let that go unanswered for? Think again buddy. If New York was an open primary Bernie would have won and lawsuits have already been filed to get it corrected.
Don't worry, I know you might not be feeling the bern because his fire is dim right now but it isn't out yet, it just needs is a little more fuel. I'm going to continue to support him because he's the only person that can save our planet and our humanity from ourselves. He might not be the candidate we deserve but he's obviously the one we need.
[editline]28th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50222012]If the justice system would not indict Cheney for his hunting accident, I doubt they would care about Clinton.[/QUOTE]
It's up to us to make sure that they don't give her a get out of jail free card. Whether she believes it or not, she's a criminal. What she did was morally wrong just like the many terrible bills she's lobbied and voted for that were bad for America, she should have known better and we can't let her get away with this shit anymore.
[QUOTE]It's up to us to make sure that they don't give her a get out of jail free card. Whether she believes it or not, she's a criminal. What she did was morally wrong just like the many terrible bills she's lobbied and voted for that were bad for America, she should have known better and we can't let her get away with this shit anymore.[/QUOTE]
Adapt and over come. There is opportunity in disaster.
If you cannot get the right thing done, then learn how to profit in these situations.
If the ship is sinking, learn how to save and benefit your self.
This might the best advice. It would be healthier then having nightmares over the whole ordeal. Which you mentioned you were in another thread.
[QUOTE=Aftermath;50222042]What you're witnessing is optimism that good will have the chance to trump evil this election and I won't have to vote for the lesser of two evils again like we always do.
And you should go do some more research because you're wrong. Take a look at Tuesdays primaries for example, Rhode Island just happened to be the only state with an open primary out of the 5 that were voting that day and he beat her by 12% there.
Not to mention the many accounts of voter fraud that's happened in states that were more likely to vote for Bernie. 126,000 people were purged from their parties without verification in his home state Brooklyn alone... You think we're going to let that go unanswered for? Think again buddy. If New York was an open primary Bernie would have won and lawsuits have already been filed to get it corrected.
Don't worry, I know you might not be feeling the bern because his fire is dim right now but it isn't out yet, it just needs is a little more fuel. I'm going to continue to support him because he's the only person that can save our planet and our humanity from ourselves. He might not be the candidate we deserve but he's obviously the one we need.
[editline]28th April 2016[/editline]
It's up to us to make sure that they don't give her a get out of jail free card. Whether she believes it or not, she's a criminal. What she did was morally wrong just like the many terrible bills she's lobbied and voted for that were bad for America, she should have known better and we can't let her get away with this shit anymore.[/QUOTE]
Oh, you're not sarcastic. That actually is Bernie math you've used. Here are some points you might like:
- There have been 16 open primaries. Hillary has won [i]13[/i] of them. Bernie has won [i]3[/i].
- When you look at every contest: 7 of Hillary's 20 victories were in closed states. 9 of Bernie's 15 victories were in closed states. Bernie has literally won more closed contests than Hillary.
- Voter disenfranchisement through incompetence of the electoral officials in New York also occurred in areas that were pro-Hillary (like Williamsburg), not just Pro-Bernie areas. As for those 126,000 people:
[quote]Of the 126,000 Democratic voters taken off from the rolls in Brooklyn, Ryan said 12,000 had moved out of borough, while 44,000 more had been placed in an inactive file after mailings to their homes bounced back. An additional 70,000 were already inactive and, having failed to vote in two successive federal elections or respond to cancel notices, were removed.[/quote]
I'm not feeling the Bern. That's childish. His fire is completely out, he would need to win at least 65% of the remaining [i]pledged[/i] delegates to win the nomination (he has only won 44% so far). For reference, the only state where he won by more than 65% was his home state, Vermont. Just face it, that more people prefer the candidate you don't like. That's democracy.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50222273]If the ship is sinking, learn how to save and benefit your self.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying I should abandon ship and move to Canada? I think about that more and more everyday because god help us if Trump get's elected. I don't really think there's going to be a safe place from the chaos that he's capable of driving this world into though.
[QUOTE=sb27;50222409]Just face it, that more people prefer the candidate you don't like.[/QUOTE]
The only reason anyone would prefer Clinton over Sanders is because of their ignorance and you can blame mainstream media for that. They've been against Bernie and kissing Hillary's ass from the beginning. They barely cover him, and whenever they do they're a lot tougher on him while they throw softballs at the other candidates.
All you have to do is look at Hillary's shitty record and how many times that she's lied to our faces, but they don't talk about it. Bernie has consistently voted with better judgement even when it was unpopular and doesn't have a dishonest bone in his body. That's because he isn't working for the global elites that want to keep taking advantage of our corrupt system. He doesn't need to lie because he's always done and will continue to do what's right for humanity and I think that anyone who would actually pick her over him should be ashamed of themselves.
[QUOTE=sb27;50222409]That's democracy.[/QUOTE]
Oh man, if only we actually lived in a real democracy. If you really believe that's what America is then you're either just ignorant or your sleeping and it's time to wake up. We live in a plutocracy or an oligarchy at best. People are buying their way through corrupt politicians just like Clinton who are a dime a dozen while we just stand by and let them fuck us over without knowing any better because we've become so used to it that we don't even care anymore. Hillary's winning because she represents the establishment and she's exactly who they want to win so that they can continue screwing us. For some odd reason there are so many people who just don't seem to believe that we can do better then this so they settle, and that makes me sick. We shouldn't have to settle for less then what we deserve. America was meant for more then what they're giving us.
[QUOTE=Aftermath;50222867]So you're saying I should abandon ship and move to Canada? I think about that more and more everyday because god help us if Trump get's elected. I don't really think there's going to be a safe place from the chaos that he's capable of driving this world into though.
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Nope. Not what I meant. Exploit the system for your own gain and welfare. That what those who are managing the system are doing. Follow their example.
The reason I say this is because when everyone within a broken system exploits the flaws of that system for personal gain, it forces upgrades. I suppose many here who are working in computer security can understand what I am talking about. The same phenomena can be witnessed in MMOs.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50222888]Exploit the system for your own gain and welfare. That what those who are managing the system are doing. Follow their example.[/QUOTE]
Yah because making the hole that's sinking your ship larger is definitely going to save it from sinking...
Nobody should be exploiting a system that was created to benefit all of us. It wasn't created for corrupt people to exploit it because they think they're above it. It's this kind of selfish and greedy mindset that's gotten us to where we are now and it needs to stop. Our founding fathers would be disgusted with a lot of what we're doing with the "free" and "equal" country they fought so hard to give us.
[QUOTE]The reason I say this is because when everyone within a broken system exploits the flaws of that system for personal gain, it forces upgrades. [/QUOTE]
These "upgrades" you're talking about in reality end up being more restrictions on our rights to freedom and equality in order to prevent people from doing exactly what you're saying more people should do...
[QUOTE]The same phenomena can be witnessed in MMOs.[/QUOTE]
Well unfortunately for us this isn't a fucking game and billions of real lives are effected by the decisions that these assholes are making which aren't in our best interest, but are really in their own interest. The people with the power to make these decisions weren't put into the positions they're in to make life better for themselves and the people who are bribing them, they're supposed to be looking out for all of us, but greed has poisoned their souls just like it has for so many others and they end up sacrificing their morals and selling out.
We need people who aren't motivated by money and power to do the right thing by the majority, not the minority, and the only way to do that is to find people who can't be bought which is becoming more and more rare these days and this is exactly why we need Bernie. He's a once in a lifetime candidate and we would be fools to not even give him a chance when he's fought for our rights his entire life. No one is more qualified or deserving to be the leader of a nation that's supposed to set an example and lead the world to a brighter, thriving future for all of us and our future generations than Bernie Sanders and I refuse to give up on him.
[QUOTE]Nobody should be exploiting a system that was created to benefit all of us. It wasn't created for corrupt people to exploit it because they think they're above it. It's this kind of selfish and greedy mindset that's gotten us to where we are now and it needs to stop. Our founding fathers would be disgusted with a lot of what we're doing with the "free" and "equal" country they fought so hard to give us.[/QUOTE]
The founding fathers were rich white men, who according to some rumors got uppity because they didn't want to pay a tax. The republic they created could be argued to be influenced by people of wealth like them so the corruption we see today could just be the system working as designed.
The values they preached were nothing more then a means to legitimize their selfish interests.
[QUOTE]Well unfortunately for us this isn't a fucking game and billions of real lives[/QUOTE]
The reason I mentioned games is this is a gaming forum. So it is an example people would understand. Our legal system works the same way. I can look up many historical examples if you like.
As a general reply, the reason things are so messed up is because the masses want things that way. You can't help people who don't wanna help themselves. Best you can do is take care of your self.
This is on the front page of /r/s4p right now, this is the kind of thing this video is referencing:
[url]https://medium.com/@GRForSanders/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention-fe7328739c4#.11h8pw4q5[/url]
i still think its fucked up that all major media outlets seem to be purposely making it seem like the super delegates have voted.
[QUOTE=smurfy;50226823]This is on the front page of /r/s4p right now, this is the kind of thing this video is referencing:
[url]https://medium.com/@GRForSanders/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention-fe7328739c4#.11h8pw4q5[/url][/QUOTE]
[quote]I think you forgot to multiply by how much birds like him[/quote]
One of the first comments haha.
I love Bernie Math. The entirety of their theory is based on winning California by a landslide (when it looks like Hillary will win it or it will be close), winning 65% of the remaining delegates which is somehow going to be possible, and yelling the loudest at the Democrat convention. They're setting themselves up for a massive disappointment.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50222888]Nope. Not what I meant. Exploit the system for your own gain and welfare. That what those who are managing the system are doing. Follow their example.
The reason I say this is because when everyone within a broken system exploits the flaws of that system for personal gain, it forces upgrades. I suppose many here who are working in computer security can understand what I am talking about. The same phenomena can be witnessed in MMOs.[/QUOTE]
I'm just going to point out that this line of reasoning kind of requires that the people who have the power to revise the system actually want to fix it.
To continue your analogue, if the developers of the MMO are the same ones exploiting the system, it probably won't be fixed. At most it'll be fixed to exclude others from exploiting it as well, while they continuously introduce new holes for themselves to use.
[QUOTE=elowin;50228012]I'm just going to point out that this line of reasoning kind of requires that the people who have the power to revise the system actually want to fix it.
To continue your analogue, if the developers of the MMO are the same ones exploiting the system, it probably won't be fixed. At most it'll be fixed to exclude others from exploiting it as well, while they continuously introduce new holes for themselves to use.[/QUOTE]
The developers in my view would be considered Gods. No such thing.
You are half right. That is happening. Let's try another example.
Let say there is a casino. Let say one person, just a regular gambler learns an exploit. Keeps it to them self. The system keeps running as it is. The exploiter keeps gaming the system. However let say that person tells all their friends. Now every one knows. Everyone use that exploit. Now the system is forced to change or go bankrupt.
The idea behind my statement is to force change. Now you may have criticizes of it (that is fine) but I think the system is beyond repair. In situations like this, the only thing you can change, take care of and control is your self.
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The only reason anyone would prefer Clinton over Sanders is because of their ignorance and you can blame mainstream media for that.
I think that anyone who would actually pick her over him should be ashamed of themselves.
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Get your head out your byy. Pretentious comments like these drive away anyone who doesn't think like you do.
And if you really think the media has kissed Clintons ass I have a feeling you haven't watched any media other than cherry picked storys used to prop up that argument. Sanders has been in trouble since the first super Tuesday, most people, including those in media, recognized that. The only ones who didn't are those like yourself who don't seem to recognize the magnitude of the problem Sanders campaign is facing. "He will do better in the next states" has been said after every major Sanders defeat. I can't say I am surprised people are still saying that now, but come on
I'm a Bernie supporter and I found this hilarious. I'm just sad that his chances at the nomination is at about 0.7%
[QUOTE=Petachepas;50210123]Accept it.
Hillary for America.
Hilldog is by far the best candidate in this election. Bernie is done, he lost.[/QUOTE]
You know it's funny, I put my support behind Bernie, did my part, caucused, spread the word, and when he lost NY at first I wasn't sure what to make of it, but I'm willing to accept pretty easily that he doesn't have a chance in hell at this point. And I've said otherwise before, but I'm not an irrational person and I'll totally vote for Hillary, she's infinitely better than any of the republican candidates and hell maybe she'll even carry some of what Bernie stood for into office.
I've been so, so very angry about Hillary for a while now. And thinking about it I've begun to realize that Hillary isn't even that bad, maybe a little worse than Obama, but aside that she's pretty standard fare for a DNC candidate. Now, speaking for myself here, I think the reason I even got so pissed over this entire thing, got so bent out of shape that for a while I even considered not voting and standing by while someone like Trump or Cruz would have that one less vote against them, is the snide shit people like you have been saying, the constant nonstop ~[I]edgy[/I]~ antagonism that has been present. from. day. one. Whether it's salty independents who know their own candidate doesn't stand a chance in hell (love ya Scorpious), Trump supporters, Hillary supporters, or fucking anyone; I've seen more of these people just trying to shit on Bernie supporters from the beginning than actually try to explain why it'd be a bad idea to support them, or why their candidate is actually better (not to say that I haven't seen people actually argue for Hillary, and good on them for doing so whatever number of boxes or shit you might have gotten because people disagreed with you, you should always try to actually sway someone instead of just endlessly antagonizing them.) Fuck, at least the Trump supporters try to argue for their candidate, some people here seem more interested in pissing people off than trying to swing support for someone you think is better for the country. You act shocked to hear whenever someone here says they'd rather vote for Trump than Hillary if Bernie loses the nomination, but when you fucking alienate someone like that to that point how can you blame them for not acting rational?
This isn't even just something I've noticed here either, it's fucking everywhere and if you ask me it is one of the worst problems with popular politics in this country, everyone is so caught up in just trying to spite 'the other guy' and be as condescending as possible that it's all become more about this shitfest of anger and hatred than actually wanting to see your country become a better place. It's why you've got a whole chunk of pissed off, angry, spiteful people that feel lost and see someone like Trump as the solution, whether as a political outsider that could magically make things better or as a wrench in the gears that are the seemingly never ending corruption in our government. It's like the minute voting time rolls around every four years everyone just forgets why we're even doing this in the first place; we're here to try to fight for the common good of our country, not bury anyone that might disagree with us.
Ok, rant over. This has kinda been boiling around in my head a lot lately and I felt like I actually had something to say for once that wasn't [I]all[/I] pure angrish.
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50226767]The founding fathers were rich white men, who according to some rumors got uppity because they didn't want to pay a tax. The republic they created could be argued to be influenced by people of wealth like them so the corruption we see today could just be the system working as designed. [/QUOTE]
The Boston Tea Party may have been the start of the revolution but I don't count the people who instigated it as our founding fathers. There's no doubt in my mind that there was always going to be a revolution whether or not some people got mad over a tax. I can say that because it's just human nature to secede from oppression. That's why we had a civil war when the confederates tried to secede because they felt oppressed when we told them that we weren't going to allow human beings to be anyone's property anymore. They fought their asses off to keep their ability to oppress people because of the color of their skin but humanity prevailed and we got one step further to becoming a truly free nation even though it took centuries for us to finally treat them like equals.
Our founding fathers aren't greedy assholes that wanted to avoid their taxes. The real founding fathers are among some of the greatest people in human history, the one's who were involved in writing the declaration of independence. I'm talking people like Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Benjamin Franklin. In this declaration they stated that all men are created equal and that we are all endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Franklin then went on help write our constitution which was created to guarantee these human rights for everyone. They did their best to foresee any corruption and set guidelines to prevent it from happening but there's always going to be amendments and a loophole somewhere that assholes are going to exploit it for their own personal gain. So no our government was not designed to be corrupt, and just because people can take advantage of it doesn't make them right for doing it.
The real corruption started when the Federal Reserve Act was signed in to law by Woodrow Wilson in 1913 which gave private banks the ability to control the issuing of currency through giving out credit using money that didn't really exist . A few years later Wilson went on to write this:
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“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson
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The sad part is Thomas Jefferson and a few other's you might of heard of including Abe Lincoln & Teddy Roosevelt warned us about this happening but by the time we realized that they were right, it was already too late to go back. The banks were already too powerful and they just kept on growing. The people who were in on it from the beginning were making more money then they knew what to do with but it's never enough for them so they took their excessive amounts of money and started buying politicians to pass bills that were in their favor, which gave them the power to do pretty much whatever the fuck they wanted to. And here we are today, in the need of another revolution because the corruption has gotten so bad that we're on the verge of another economic collapse and most likely heading right into WW3 pretty soon with the type of policies Trump plans on introducing. We could lose all of the progress we have made all because the minority is too fucking greedy to set their wants aside to do whats right for humanity. Instead they just use scapegoats and blame all of our problems on everything except the real problem which is ourselves. It's our fault that we just stood by and let this happen, and it's going to continue getting worse until we come together and tell them that we've had enough, we should no longer accept to live under this plutocracy and demand a real democracy where the people get to decide what's best for us because that's what this country was founded for and we deserve nothing less.
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The reason I mentioned games is this is a gaming forum. So it is an example people would understand. Our legal system works the same way.
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Yah I kinda got that, and it's all fine and dandy to try and relate real life to a video game but you can't let that desensitize you from reality. There is no check point to go back to when we fuck up, and there no reset button for when we completely destroy our planet because the one's who have the money and power to make a difference are the one's benefiting from the pollution that's killing millions of wild life and human beings every year while causing our climate to change, and they will continue to deny it because doing the right thing for our planet just isn't profitable for them so why waste their time? We're ultimately screwing over future generations by letting this gross negligence to continue and we need to come together to stop it.
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Before Great depression, a lot of people were doing things that created the crash. The result of that is the Glass Stegal Act which was created to prevent those activities from causing problems again. When some thing breaks within the American system on a massive scale, it forces people to fix it.
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We're supposed to prevent shit from breaking, not wait until it does, then glue and tape the pieces back together hoping shit will stick, that makes us weak and eventually we won't be able to fix it anymore. We're reaching a breaking point that we're not going to be able to recover from.
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As a general reply, the reason things are so messed up is because the masses want things that way. You can't help people who don't wanna help themselves. Best you can do is take care of your self.
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I don't think anybody really wants things to be this way, they just don't believe we can do any better because that's exactly what these corrupt politicians and mainstream media want you to think. Taking care of people isn't about throwing cash at them because that will never help anybody get out of poverty, it'll just make their lives a little easier in it. If you really want to help somebody then you give them the tools they need to drive themselves out of poverty, like healthcare and education so that they have every opportunity to succeed in life and follow their dreams. If more people actually gave a fuck then we could make sure that every legal citizen is healthy so that they can work and be a productive member of society and if they're motivated they can even get an education to pursue the career they're most interested in without racking up 10's of thousands of dollars. When you think about this shit it makes a lot of sense and the only reason it won't is because we're to ignorant to even give it a chance.
Sorry for the rant but you can kind of tell how passionate I am about this shit. This is our futures and our children's futures we're talking about and I can't just sit and watch us destroy our potential to thrive together because of hate and greed.
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