• Germany is.... weird
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[img]http://www.nationallampoon.com/files/2009/06/shamwow_vince.jpg[/img] But those Germans make good stuff.
was zum fliegenden fick
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;22083627] I wholeheartedly agree with this post. The reason I'm not just clicking the "Agree" rating is because that's too anonymous, I'd like to support this statement publicly instead of hiding behind an icon. [/QUOTE] Ok, let me make this clear to you. Sexual Development does NOT start until the age of about 11-14. If children have sexual relationships before that its nothing big, and with other children (Like: Show me yours Ill show you mine / Doctor Play / In some cases Mommy, Daddy, Child) That is the way they got closer to understanding their opposite sex. Yet, it is completely different to sexual relationships. Why, you might ask. Well, it happens between Children. No one has a clue what he is actually doing, everyone explores "new land". It stays inside certain limits, too. If an adult has sexual intercourse with a child, he is the one who does know what he wants and how to get it. He dominates the weaker part and bends it to his will. That way, the child is taken advantage of. This is why it is forbidden. Because one part of the relationship has yet to construct his own sexual rolemodels and ethics.
[quote]‘a natural outcome of the rejection of the Judaeo-Christian moral order’.[/quote] I facepalmed. Hard.
This is really fucked up, but why would they do it to their kids when they couldn't even have orgasms? At least wait till they're 12, right?
[QUOTE=DaAngryWeasel;22122660]This is really fucked up, but why would they do it to their kids when they couldn't even have orgasms? At least wait till they're 12, right?[/QUOTE] You can have orgasms at a very young age. [QUOTE=Landen85;22121965]Ok, let me make this clear to you. Sexual Development does NOT start until the age of about 11-14. If children have sexual relationships before that its nothing big, and with other children (Like: Show me yours Ill show you mine / Doctor Play / In some cases Mommy, Daddy, Child) That is the way they got closer to understanding their opposite sex. Yet, it is completely different to sexual relationships. Why, you might ask. Well, it happens between Children. No one has a clue what he is actually doing, everyone explores "new land". It stays inside certain limits, too. If an adult has sexual intercourse with a child, he is the one who does know what he wants and how to get it. He dominates the weaker part and bends it to his will. That way, the child is taken advantage of. This is why it is forbidden. Because one part of the relationship has yet to construct his own sexual rolemodels and ethics.[/QUOTE] So we should ban sexual acts with children because they can't enjoy them? They can still say no, at least in theory. And it's already illegal to force children to do something against their will.
Sometimes I hate being German... :argh:
Dude ... did you even read what i wrote? You're a troll.
[QUOTE=Ray551;22122845]Sometimes I hate being German... :argh:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Cortana;22081266]I'm not proud of my country right now :effort:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RP-01;22069149]No. It represents the whole fucked up government. As soon as I'm 18, I'll leave this weird country.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dominik93;22067969]Stuff like this is why I'm not really proud to be a german.[/QUOTE] ITT: Angsty Germans.
[QUOTE=pistolero!;22123391]ITT: Angsty Germans.[/QUOTE] Yeah, most of our youth is like that, really. It's rather pathetic, seeing as all those screaming "omg this is so bad ill move out of germany" will end up staying and they will end up integrating like the little bitches they are. That's the way it goes. Those who really have their thoughts about what is wrong in this country don't need to yell them out on an international forum.
First Hitler now this? I'm going to Germany
[QUOTE=Landen85;22122878]Dude ... did you even read what i wrote? You're a troll.[/QUOTE] Alright, I'll admit what I posted had little relation to your post and my enraged side got the better of me.
I think Denmark is pretty weird, went there one time and everywhere i went it was beer EVERYWHERE! It's like beer on the TV's, beer on the shelves and pubs everywhere.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;22068950]I actually think this sounds fairly good... It would promote a sex as a normal thing, and not something dangerous and shady that should be hidden away at all costs. Nobody has ever really explained why it's so harmful to kids to have sex. All they ever say is that they can't consent because they cannot understand the consequences, and are not mature enough to make decisions about their own body. But what are the consequences? It's pleasure, and it's intimate and bonding. Prevention takes care of STD's and pregnancy. So what is it that is so hard for them to understand and make decisions about? Please, don't get it wrong, I'm not arguing with a question, I'm [I]actually asking[/I], because I've [I]never[/I] heard any in-depth reasoning why it's so damaging. To me, it honestly just seems like it's only harmful because [I]people make it out to be[/I] harmful. And that people are just tripping on the pedohate-bandwagon. But as I say, I'm asking a question, because I frankly [I]don't know[/I] why it's so damaging. I just don't understand it. Either I'm right, and sex with children isn't really that bad, or there's something I've missed and/or simply don't understand. I dunno.[/QUOTE] Have you ever talked to a person that has been a victim of sexual abuse as a child? And don't argue that this isn't sexual abuse; it is. Any form of sexual activity in which one party doesn't consent is sexual abuse. A child can't consent at such a young age, and even if he or she could, there's no way a child could understand the implications of something so intimate as sexual activity. No one should make their child's decisions for them on this issue. Sex is very personal, and the child should dictate what happens in that area for him/herself. And if the child can't, for the reasons I mentioned, there shouldn't be any sexual activity of any kind between the child and anyone, especially the parents--the people the child most trusts. I know a few people that have been sexually abused when they were little. They don't exactly look back on it as a fun experience, and it's not because of the "pedohate bandwagon". It's because they feel violated being taken advantage of by an adult when no one was there to help them when they felt uncomfortable and helpless and confused as to why Daddy was touching them there. Then they grow up and realize Daddy didn't care about his daughter's discomfort. He just wanted to get off at his daughter's expense, regardless of what kind of pain it may cause, because he's selfish and perverse. That's why it's damaging.
What annoys me the most about this article is not the issue that is being discussed, but rather the fact that they need to constantly reference their venerable "Judeo-Christian foundations" of which the collective West was supposedly founded on. Out of all these immoral acts that have been recorded, there's always one religious nut tail-gating on the matter for reasons based on the Bible, rather than innate human disgust that one should always have, regardless of piousness. But yeah, if this article is actually true, then this is disgusting.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;22126757]Have you ever talked to a person that has been a victim of sexual abuse as a child?[/QUOTE] No, I admit that I haven't. This is partly why I so strongly emphasize that I [I]actually don't know,[/I] I am simply wondering. [QUOTE] And don't argue that this isn't sexual abuse; it is. Any form of sexual activity in which one party doesn't consent is sexual abuse. A child can't consent at such a young age, and even if he or she could, there's no way a child could understand the implications of something so intimate as sexual activity.[/QUOTE] Perhaps [I]I[/I] don't understand the implications of sex, because I can't really see them. At least I can't see what the harm is, even if you don't un derstand those implications. [QUOTE]No one should make their child's decisions for them on this issue. Sex is very personal, and [B]the child should dictate what happens in that area for him/herself.[/B] And if the child can't, for the reasons I mentioned, there shouldn't be any sexual activity of any kind between the child and anyone, especially the parents--the people the child most trusts. I know a few people that have been sexually abused when they were little. They don't exactly look back on it as a fun experience, and it's not because of the "pedohate bandwagon". [B]It's because they feel violated being taken advantage of by an adult when no one was there to help them when they felt uncomfortable and helpless and confused as to why Daddy was touching them there.[/B] Then they grow up and realize Daddy didn't care about his daughter's discomfort. He just wanted to get off at his daughter's expense, regardless of what kind of pain it may cause, because he's selfish and perverse. That's why it's damaging.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what I'm thinking. It seems you think that it cannot happen in any other way. Sure, it's easy for an adult to force, or to pseudo-force, but that's [I]not[/I] what I think is good. Obviously, force or making anyone feel uncomfortable or anything bad at all is not good. But as you said, they should dictate it themselves. So parents provide sexual education, and the child decides what to do with it. I mean, in your example, we're still out there where the child is helpless and confused, and doesn't even know what's going on. But I still don't understand why it's [I]not[/I] possible to do this without the child feeling bad. To me, it seems like the adult is just way to controlling and dominant in your example, and I think it's possible that the child is in control. As you said, the child should dictate what happens in that area. But still, please don't misunderstand me. I realize that I talk about it like I feel I am right and you are wrong. But I still want to emphasize that I really have no idea. And as mentioned, I [I]haven't[/I] ever spoke to anyone who has been sexually abused as children.
[QUOTE=AnEvilGuy;22121725]Yes, because every family is full of right wing bible nuts.[/QUOTE] No, but home-schooling is still bad, it can't teach as much as possible. Thus the child doesn't learn enough to be a fully working member of society.
Brave New World anyone?
I can only hope the autor does not have children my god 0.0
[QUOTE=Mabus;22071932]I bet it was Wessies who came up with that, people east of the Rhine have a bit more cop on.[/QUOTE] Your geography is wrong. Eastern Germany didn't reach up to the Rhein.
‘The child touches all parts of their father's body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same.’ WHAT THE FUCK!
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;22067988]And yet they ban violent videogames. Go figure :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Well we don't want little Hans to develop a gore fetish now do we?
No! The govermnet knows what is good for us! ...Can i go now?
Sell this on a 4 forum :O
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;22141329] That's exactly what I'm thinking. It seems you think that it cannot happen in any other way. Sure, it's easy for an adult to force, or to pseudo-force, but that's [I]not[/I] what I think is good. Obviously, force or making anyone feel uncomfortable or anything bad at all is not good. But as you said, they should dictate it themselves. So parents provide sexual education, and the child decides what to do with it. I mean, in your example, we're still out there where the child is helpless and confused, and doesn't even know what's going on. But I still don't understand why it's [I]not[/I] possible to do this without the child feeling bad. To me, it seems like the adult is just way to controlling and dominant in your example, and I think it's possible that the child is in control. As you said, the child should dictate what happens in that area. But still, please don't misunderstand me. I realize that I talk about it like I feel I am right and you are wrong. But I still want to emphasize that I really have no idea. And as mentioned, I [I]haven't[/I] ever spoke to anyone who has been sexually abused as children.[/QUOTE] But the parent is in control. The parent is always in control of the child--it's the [i]parent[/i]. Children are malleable. Even if a parent doesn't realize it, the child is being influenced. However, I do think children should be taught about sex--just not shown by their parents. The book in this thread is getting it completely wrong. That isn't the parents' job, to introduce their kids to sex through touching them like that. Their job is to teach about it, talk about it when the child is old enough to understand. Sex means self-discovery. It's something to be figured out on your own, without your parents' influence. That's my experience, and I turned out just fine.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;22148845]But the parent is in control. The parent is always in control of the child--it's the [i]parent[/i]. Children are malleable. Even if a parent doesn't realize it, the child is being influenced. However, I do think children should be taught about sex--just not shown by their parents. The book in this thread is getting it completely wrong. That isn't the parents' job, to introduce their kids to sex through touching them like that. Their job is to teach about it, talk about it when the child is old enough to understand. Sex means self-discovery. It's something to be figured out on your own, without your parents' influence. That's my experience, and I turned out just fine.[/QUOTE] Mm. Yeah. I agree, I don't think it should be done with parents. I guess I was talking about adult-child sex, and not specifically parent-child sex. Now I'm confused. :confused:
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;22149103]Mm. Yeah. I agree, I don't think it should be done with parents. I guess I was talking about adult-child sex, and not specifically parent-child sex. Now I'm confused. :confused:[/QUOTE] I don't think it should be done with any adult, whether or not it's the parent.
[QUOTE=Shoupie;22149332]I don't think it should be done with any adult, whether or not it's the parent.[/QUOTE] When you're a kid, adults are people to be trusted, end of.
[QUOTE=SappinMyNick;22067756]SOMETHING IN A COUNTRY IS WEIRD! The entire country must be weird too! But still, what the fuck?[/QUOTE] Yeah, its not like Americans do anything weird. btw. who the hell goes to church every sunday?
But why does that make it bad? Doesn't it just make it better to do it with someone you trust? I don't think having sex necessarily means that you're breaking some trust. As long as you make sure everyone are comfortable and enjoy what is happening, I can't see the problem.
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