[QUOTE=Strider*;39149116]I wouldn't be surprised if you, like the girl in the OP, also go to a community college. [/QUOTE]
what does this even mean
[QUOTE=Valnar;39149137]You said "Disorders like anorexia often indicate a lack of character and/or intelligence"[/QUOTE]
Anorexia is characterized much more by lack of willpower than depression is. Most people who are anorexic are that way because they couldn't tolerate bullying.
I'm not going to respect them anymore than I would someone with a drug addiction.
Depression is often hereditary and more associated with brain chemistry imbalance than anorexia.
But I've said nothing about depression, so stop bringing it up. Not all mental disorders are the same.
[editline]8th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dori;39149143]what does this even mean[/QUOTE]
I think you're daft and probably not so successful in real life.
[QUOTE=Strider*;39149116]I wouldn't be surprised if you, like the girl in the OP, also go to a community college. [/QUOTE]
uhm
[QUOTE=Strider*;39149116]I'm astonished that you would criticize my posting when you're one of the most arrogant and ignorant members of this forum.[/QUOTE]
uhm?
[QUOTE=Strider*;39149116]Get over yourself dude.[/QUOTE]
if only i had a better appreciation of irony lol
[QUOTE=Strider*;39149116]No[/QUOTE]
so anorexia nervosa is its own unique illness?
[QUOTE=Strider*;39149198]Anorexia is characterized much more by lack of willpower than depression is. Most people who are anorexic are that way because they couldn't tolerate bullying.
I'm not going to respect them anymore than I would someone with a drug addiction.
Depression is often hereditary and more associated with brain chemistry imbalance than anorexia.
But I've said nothing about depression, so stop bringing it up. Not all mental disorders are the same.
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You are blaming people with mental health issues for their mental health issues.
That is your misunderstanding of mental health.
[QUOTE]I think you're daft and probably not so successful in real life.[/QUOTE]
You do know that community colleges can be really good places for education right?
[QUOTE=Strider*;39149198]Anorexia is characterized much more by lack of willpower than depression is. Most people who are anorexic are that way because they couldn't tolerate bullying. [/QUOTE]
boy i sure hope you have some evidence and you're not just pulling this out of nowhere
[QUOTE=Strider*;39149198]I think you're daft and probably not so successful in real life.[/QUOTE]
no-one cares
[QUOTE=Valnar;39149291]
You do know that community colleges can be really good places for education right?[/QUOTE]
Lol
I think she's the one that needs to accept that she's fat
Being a faternal twin of one who is obese, this just pisses me off. I know my brother better than anyone else. I'm the skinny one (135 at 5' 10") and I know why we're different. I'm a lot more active, I don't eat as much shit as him, and I care about my health. He is honestly just really, really lazy. I'll admit that I'm similar to him in the aspect that we both sit at our computers for quite a long time, but I play a lot of basketball whenever I'm out which is frequent. I don't want to sound like an asshole brother, but weight isn't something that you aren't able to control unless you have a condition which is understandable.
[QUOTE=Valnar;39149291]You are blaming people with mental health issues for their mental health issues.
That is your misunderstanding of mental health.[/QUOTE]
No I'm just not respecting them.
If someone mugs me, I can't exactly blame them entirely for doing so. They are of-course subject to a wide variety of social experiences as well as biological conditions and mental dispositions which brought them to such an act.
That doesn't mean I can't or shouldn't loathe them for being as they are.
[editline]8th January 2013[/editline]
Long story short, if you have a problem fix it.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself and stop expecting society to feel sorry as well.
former chubby-ass here, i'm 5'8 and i used to be 162 pounds back in 9th grade when i was 14.
a lot of fat people claim that its impossible to lose weight but that's simply not true. people are just too ignorant to learn the basic knowledge of how nutrition works and what calories actually mean.
i lost over 30 pounds of fat and gained 20 pounds of muscle over two years of gradual dieting and hard work in the gym. people think they can make amazing progress in 2-3 months but that's a big load of crap. consistency is the key, not how hard you do it, but how long you do it for.
[QUOTE=MR-X;39143279]That is what I got from the OP video, it isn't about "I'm fat, leave me alone and feel bad for me" as others have pointed out. Basically everyone is genetically different, you can be big but healthy, small and unhealthy. The video was more about obtaining a healthy lifestyle and treat others with the same level of respect you would want. Trying fight against the whole "perfect image" stereotype.
And all the posts above me just prove that people don't understand what she was trying to get across.[/QUOTE]
saying "I can be big and healthy" is the same as "I can be a smoker and not die of cancer". Either way, you're better off not being
[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;39150858]saying "I can be big and healthy" is the same as "I can be a smoker and not die of cancer". Either way, you're better off not being[/QUOTE]
He's wrong though.
That's not even a good analogy because you can smoke and not die of cancer but no one who is obese is healthy.
[QUOTE=Strider*;39151413]He's wrong though.
That's not even a good analogy because you can smoke and not die of cancer but no one who is obese is healthy.[/QUOTE]
wait...wat
[editline]9th January 2013[/editline]
by what standard do you measure "health" and what standard do you measure "obese" again?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39151591]wait...wat
[editline]9th January 2013[/editline]
by what standard do you measure "health" and what standard do you measure "obese" again?[/QUOTE]
Being obese is unhealthy by definition. If this was a serious question it would take you two seconds to google it.
Having excess fat puts you at risk for all sorts of raunchy shit.
[img]http://puu.sh/1LvoF[/img]
[QUOTE=Strider*;39151667]Being obese is unhealthy by definition. If this was a serious question it would take you two seconds to google it.
Having excess fat puts you at risk for all sorts of raunchy shit.
[img]http://puu.sh/1LvoF[/img][/QUOTE]
ok then, so you wouldn't consider someone who is simply fat to be unhealthy be default then?
i'm asking because people often don't differentiate between fat and obese, even though someone can be (relatively) healthy while still having a lot of excess fat.
[QUOTE=Hammerz;39143951]"~98% Diets don't work"
Diets aren't some magic solution that turns you skinny forever, with the diet you have to change as well!
I have seen alot where fat people take their diets, lose weight and immediately after finishing go back to their old ways and thus gain it all back. And then they go preaching "DIETS DONT WORKKK ITS ALL CORPORATE MUMBO JUMBO" and immediately discourage those who CAN bring positive change to their lives and eat healthily.[/QUOTE]
But they are right. Diets don't work. Learn to love healthy foods, learn to make your own meals. I consider myself rather lucky, i love vegetables (steamed normally), i love rice & pasta. I've got a small stomach so i can't eat much. Furthermore, I'm an avid cook, and love cooking up delicious healthy dishes. I used to hate vegetables. My parents always made me eat my veggies first. Now, that's what i do. Most of the time i won't finish the meat at all. I switched to Coke Zero a while ago. I can't stand the taste of regular coke now. I like the sweetener more then sugar now. It's great. I don't even exercise that much. Although in my sports off season i gain weight, it's never more then a few kilo's. I'm back to my old fitness really fast too. These things come easy for me, i don't understand what's so hard about these things.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39151727]ok then, so you wouldn't consider someone who is simply fat to be unhealthy be default then?
i'm asking because people often don't differentiate between fat and obese, even though someone can be (relatively) healthy while still having a lot of excess fat.[/QUOTE]
No one the size of the girl in the OP is healthy.
There are many people who have a little extra fat yet are still fairly healthy. One glaring exception is bodybuilders who are temporarily bulking.
However "a lot of excess fat" is never healthy.
[QUOTE=Strider*;39151838]No one the size of the girl in the OP is healthy.
There are many people who have a little extra fat yet are still fairly healthy. One glaring exception is bodybuilders who are temporarily bulking.
However "a lot of excess fat" is never healthy.[/QUOTE]
well i think it comes down to how you look at relative health. sure, having a bunch of excess fat isn't healthy, but you can still be pretty healthy despite it. i always considered general health to be being able to get around the world with vigor, being able to walk around without getting winded, and generally being able to live actively. you can do this while fat.
i'm not going to be an apologist for the fat and lazy, but someone who is fat but is able to live actively is surely in a better position than someone who is skinny but isn't able to live actively. that's relative health.
Interestingly enough, on those "fat acceptance" sites. They criticize Doctors, fucking doctors, for blaming their health problems on their weight. It makes me sick that these entitled assholes have the fucking nerve to get angry at people who have dedicated most of their adult life studying to do medicine, to try and save lives, instead getting stuck helping people that won't help themselves. Fuck you assholes. Fuck. You. Link if you're wondering why i'm so angry. [url]http://thisisthinprivilege.tumblr.com/tagged/doctors[/url]
[QUOTE=The Aussie;39151985]Interestingly enough, on those "fat acceptance" sites. They criticize Doctors, fucking doctors, for blaming their health problems on their weight. It makes me sick that these entitled assholes have the fucking nerve to get angry at people who have dedicated most of their adult life studying to do medicine, to try and save lives, instead getting stuck helping people that won't help themselves. Fuck you assholes. Fuck. You. Link if you're wondering why i'm so angry. [url]http://thisisthinprivilege.tumblr.com/tagged/doctors[/url][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7vEPU.png[/IMG]
Is this "healthism" an actual thing? Wow.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39151909]well i think it comes down to how you look at relative health. sure, having a bunch of excess fat isn't healthy, but you can still be pretty healthy despite it. i always considered general health to be being able to get around the world with vigor, being able to walk around without getting winded, and generally being able to live actively. you can do this while fat.
i'm not going to be an apologist for the fat and lazy, but someone who is fat but is able to live actively is surely in a better position than someone who is skinny but isn't able to live actively. that's relative health.[/QUOTE]
if someone is considered generally as a fat person they're not going to be living actively or else they wouldn't be fat
fat acceptance is my #1 peeve, it's disgusting not just in a physical sense but that people go to such lengths to justify their own laziness, incompetence and stupidity. i don't give a shit if you're fat - as long as it doesn't affect me, (IE overweight people on airplanes spilling over in to me seat, the bus doing the same thing, or a classroom etc.) but as soon as they attempt to justify them being fat it just becomes pathetic.
This picture is a good example of shit i think is completely fucked up and disgusts me to no end
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ik187.jpg[/IMG]
as someone who personally spends at least 2 hours a day bodybuilding 6 days a week, and has been for 3+ years to sculpt my body into what i think is as good as i can genetically be, when people start to sympathize for anyone who is clearly overweight by choice and see people like me as obsessed and wasting time i get incredibly pissed off. why is the western world so retarded sometimes
[QUOTE=Pandamox;39152327]if someone is considered generally as a fat person they're not going to be living actively or else they wouldn't be fat
[/QUOTE]
or maybe you're wrong?
guys she said it herself, she can't physically become smaller than she is, don't hate.
i mean not everyone exercises to the point of being able to sculpt a nice body, or their body may be in transition. fat is actually fairly hard to take off once it gets to a certain point, it likes to stick to you.
[QUOTE=Pandamox;39152327]as someone who personally spends at least 2 hours a day bodybuilding 6 days a week, and has been for 3+ years to sculpt my body into what i think is as good as i can genetically be, when people start to sympathize for anyone who is clearly overweight by choice and see people like me as obsessed and wasting time i get incredibly pissed off. why is the western world so retarded sometimes[/QUOTE]
Good points all around.
But what the fuck are you doing for 2 hours in the gym?
[QUOTE=Strider*;39152570]Good points all around.
But what the fuck are you doing for 2 hours in the gym?[/QUOTE]
I do high volume workouts, pretty much bludgeon the muscle until it can hardly work the next day. Also know quite a few people so end up spotting them on lifts etc. which soaks up some time as well between sets or exercises.
Regardless, it doesn't take as much time and effort as i put in to not be overweight. Hell, 20 minutes of HIIT 3 days a week will make pretty much anyone lose weight even if they aren't watching their diet incredibly closely. I bulk up to nearly 240-250 pounds and cut down to ~215 quite often, cutting off those 25-35 pounds for me only means i have to count macros. Don't even have to do cardio for a single minute. Someone who is, say, 100 pounds overweight will be able to shed quite a bit of weight if they do a little bit of cardio and watch their diet. [b]it doesn't take that much effort[/b] people are just lazy as fuck and it disgusts me that they let their bodies get to that state in the first place
As a skinny kid who should probably be fat, I don't disrespect people who are fat.
Yes, it's unhealthy, but discrimination is bad no matter what you do, and you cannot make broad sweeping generalizations like "they are lazy" and "they gorge on food all day." I've seen people who do the same things as fat people, but just have different genetics. I'm not saying that those that are larger can't change their body weight, but perhaps it's due to various other factors? Some people can't fit two hours of gym, and at most can do a light jog. They can eat healthier, but what if the only meal they eat are school provided (and those are not the most healthy). My point is that there's a ton of factors and you can't just assume, you're fat because of a broad thing.
A nice example is my mother had to take medication to help with her health, and that medication caused her to put on quite a bit of weight. She worked from 9 AM to 8 PM often, and it is only recently that she quit that job, got off the medication, and managed to jog an hour or more a day, and I'm proud of her for that. Was she "lazy" for working in an office chair for eleven hours a day to support our family?
[QUOTE=Zally13;39152677]As a skinny kid who should probably be fat, I don't disrespect people who are fat.
Yes, it's unhealthy, but discrimination is bad no matter what you do, and you cannot make broad sweeping generalizations like "they are lazy" and "they gorge on food all day." I've seen people who do the same things as fat people, but just have different genetics. I'm not saying that those that are larger can't change their body weight, but perhaps it's due to various other factors? Some people can't fit two hours of gym, and at most can do a light jog. They can eat healthier, but what if the only meal they eat are school provided (and those are not the most healthy). My point is that there's a ton of factors and you can't just assume, you're fat because of a broad thing.
A nice example is my mother had to take medication to help with her health, and that medication caused her to put on quite a bit of weight. She worked from 9 AM to 8 PM often, and it is only recently that she quit that job, got off the medication, and managed to jog an hour or more a day, and I'm proud of her for that. Was she "lazy" for working in an office chair for eleven hours a day to support our family?[/QUOTE]
People who have a fast metabolism and are able to eat unhealthy amounts of unhealthy food yet not gain weight isn't an excuse for people who are overweight to continue eating unhealthy amounts of unhealthy food. Indeed genetics and such do have a role in how well people gain or lose weight, but it's easily controllable by pretty much everyone. As i said, you don't [b]need[/b] 2 hours a day in the gym to lose weight. I was just saying, personally, i invest that amount of time. That's someone who has nearly 200 pounds of lean muscle mass. I HAVE to invest that amount of time if i went to gain more, or even maintain the muscle that i have.
Someone who wants to lose weight, as i stated, only needs 20 minutes a day 3 days a week of HIIT or some form of cardio that increases your heart rate for at least that amount of time. I find it incredibly hard to believe that a majority of people can't find a minimum of 60 minutes out of a 168 hour week to begin to lose weight.
There are cases where people still yet don't have that time, like for instance your mom, but even then they can lose weight just as easily by watching what they consume. My mother used to work from 7am to 10-11pm most days for nearly 3 years straight when she was trying to get her businesses off the ground, she never used that as an excuse to let her body gain unnecessary amounts of weight. She made sure that on the 1 day a week she had off she would go to the grocery store, buy some healthy foods (fish, chicken, potatoes, sweet potatoes, spinach etc. etc.) and then cook the food since she didn't have time to on the weekdays. She'd then throw it in the microwave and eat it throughout the week.
It's really not that difficult, people need to quit making excuses for things which they can control quite easily. Another excuse i've seen (oddly) is that people can't afford to buy healthy foods so they instead buy hamburgers from fast food joints and frozen boxes of chicken nuggets. Unless you're buying freshly cut meat from a prestigious butcher or some shit you can easily buy a bulk pack of chicken breasts at any wholefoods store for many times cheaper than it would cost to eat mcdonalds or frozen nuggets for a week
[QUOTE=Pandamox;39152781]People who have a fast metabolism and are able to eat unhealthy amounts of unhealthy food yet not gain weight isn't an excuse for people who are overweight to continue eating unhealthy amounts of unhealthy food. Indeed genetics and such do have a role in how well people gain or lose weight, but it's easily controllable by pretty much everyone. As i said, you don't [b]need[/b] 2 hours a day in the gym to lose weight. I was just saying, personally, i invest that amount of time. That's someone who has nearly 200 pounds of lean muscle mass. I HAVE to invest that amount of time if i went to gain more, or even maintain the muscle that i have.
Someone who wants to lose weight, as i stated, only needs 20 minutes a day 3 days a week of HIIT or some form of cardio that increases your heart rate for at least that amount of time. I find it incredibly hard to believe that a majority of people can't find a minimum of 60 minutes out of a 168 hour week to begin to lose weight.
There are cases where people still yet don't have that time, like for instance your mom, but even then they can lose weight just as easily by watching what they consume. My mother used to work from 7am to 10-11pm most days for nearly 3 years straight when she was trying to get her businesses off the ground, she never used that as an excuse to let her body gain unnecessary amounts of weight. She made sure that on the 1 day a week she had off she would go to the grocery store, buy some healthy foods (fish, chicken, potatoes, sweet potatoes, spinach etc. etc.) and then cook the food since she didn't have time to on the weekdays. She'd then throw it in the microwave and eat it throughout the week.
It's really not that difficult, people need to quit making excuses for things which they can control quite easily. Another excuse i've seen (oddly) is that people can't afford to buy healthy foods so they instead buy hamburgers from fast food joints and frozen boxes of chicken nuggets. Unless you're buying freshly cut meat from a prestigious butcher or some shit you can easily buy a bulk pack of chicken breasts at any wholefoods store for many times cheaper than it would cost to eat mcdonalds or frozen nuggets for a week[/QUOTE]
Hey, again, more assumptions. We eat at home every single day, and it's all healthy food. She cooked meals at home even when she worked and they were healthy, again, are you forgetting that the medication was a large factor? Did she deserve to have the judgement of others on the basis of assumption?
[QUOTE=Zally13;39152809]Hey, again, more assumptions. We eat at home every single day, and it's all healthy food. She cooked meals at home even when she worked and they were healthy, again, are you forgetting that the medication was a large factor? Did she deserve to have the judgement of others on the basis of assumption?[/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking specifically about your mother in that case, i just referenced her in the beginning when i was stating that some people don't have time. Your mother is one of the rare (and acceptable) cases where her weight gain was very clearly out of her control, due to medication. You need to read in to what i'm saying a little more
You seem to be using the case of your mother gaining weight because of medication to try to nullify everything i'm saying. It's as if you're trying to tell me that a majority of people that are overweight are overweight because of medication? I understand that in your mothers case that's what caused it, and because of that she's clearly exempt from what i'm saying. In no way are a majority of the people overweight from things out of their control, which is the point i'm trying to make.
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