The Spiritualism, Sacred Geometry, and Consciousness thread! Complete with huge OP! - General

[QUOTE=The Aussie;35711008]I'm literally in this thread for meditation. Whenever i meditate i kinda block out other people and sounds (Because FUCK other people) and just work through my thoughts, i just thinking about stuff. Lucid dreaming is cool too. Otherwise man, you've got your head in the clouds. If you bring up acupuncture, i agree, it works fucking wonders. My father had constant, tight, chest pains. Doctors shit did squad, another doctors didn't know shit and recomended he try some alternative treatments, since jack worked for him. He began seeing this crazy Chineese dude who stabbed in the chest with needles. Cleared the pain right up. Works, i dunno how, but it isn't through that Chi, energy flow chakra thing though.[/QUOTE] I find that there's something here for everyone. Meditation is one of the more popular ones. I do it semi-regularly and it's an incredible way to stay grounded and relaxed. I have anger issues and I have had an easier time dealing with them since I've started meditating. I just get less mad less often :) It's amazing.

Sobotnik, your avatar, is she fat or pregnant.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;35711008] If you bring up acupuncture, i agree, it works fucking wonders. My father had constant, tight, chest pains. Doctors shit did squad, another doctors didn't know shit and recomended he try some alternative treatments, since jack worked for him. He began seeing this crazy Chineese dude who stabbed in the chest with needles. Cleared the pain right up. Works, i dunno how, but it isn't through that Chi, energy flow chakra thing though.[/QUOTE] Sticking needles into people can cause the release into the bloodstream of endorphins and natural steroids such as cortisol. The medical version of this is called intramuscular stimulation and is of some use in the management of chronic pain. [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1654741[/url] However, there are many other ways to treat pain. Acupuncture is ancient and more or less obsolete. Chi and all is bull though. [QUOTE=The Aussie;35711080]Sobotnik, your avatar, is she fat or pregnant.[/QUOTE] Fat.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35711222]Sticking needles into people can cause the release into the bloodstream of endorphins and natural steroids such as cortisol. The medical version of this is called intramuscular stimulation and is of some use in the management of chronic pain. [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1654741[/url] However, there are many other ways to treat pain. Acupuncture is ancient and more or less obsolete. [/QUOTE] As i said, we tied modern medicine first. Let me clear that up, he was have constant heart trouble and trouble breathing. OUr familly isn't the type to go running to the shaman if someone has a cold. Anyway, something you might be interested in is a show called "The witch doctor will see you now". It's about people with ilnesses that modern medicine has failed to treat, so they take them to some tribe somewhere to treat them. The host is a doctor of some sort, and tries to find logical explainations for the cures that do work. Although the conclusion is smoethimes simply "Placebo effect".

[QUOTE=The Aussie;35711401]Anyway, something you might be interested in is a show called "The witch doctor will see you now". It's about people with ilnesses that modern medicine has failed to treat, so they take them to some tribe somewhere to treat them. The host is a doctor of some sort, and tries to find logical explainations for the cures that do work. Although the conclusion is smoethimes simply "Placebo effect".[/QUOTE] you'd probably have to consider selection effects as well - the people on the show are going to be those for whom the treatment will most likely work: having conditions for which there's still a reasonable chance of improvement, credulous, not particularly well-informed about medicine, and willing to appear on television. oh and as for meditation, yeah it's pretty cool, though I can't stand the whirlwind of bullshit that surrounds it. this is a pretty good guide, though I haven't tried it in a while: [url]http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma4/mpe.html[/url]

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;35712055]you'd probably have to consider selection effects as well - the people on the show are going to be those for whom the treatment will most likely work: having conditions for which there's still a reasonable chance of improvement, credulous, not particularly well-informed about medicine, and willing to appear on television. oh and as for meditation, yeah it's pretty cool, though I can't stand the whirlwind of bullshit that surrounds it. this is a pretty good guide, though I haven't tried it in a while: [url]http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma4/mpe.html[/url][/QUOTE] They gotta make money, but the episode i saw was some chick with severe asthma and a dude with crippling sholder pain. Some dude had tobacco smoke blow over him and the chick drank liquified termites nest. Both were cured, the dude completley.

After watching the section on Astral Projection, the logic they use doesn't make any sense seeing how all of the things he talks about are just things you can do in lucid dreams. When your body becomes heavy and numb you are going into sleep paralysis and, if I recall correctly, most people who enter a lucid dream from consciousness normally dream of themselves looking at their sleeping body. Everything else can be explained by "you are in a dream". Even him talking to his guide about them helping sounds a lot like the conversations that I have with my own subconscious.

[QUOTE=Shock_Coil;35713030]After watching the section on Astral Projection, the logic they use doesn't make any sense seeing how all of the things he talks about are just things you can do in lucid dreams. When your body becomes heavy and numb you are going into sleep paralysis and, if I recall correctly, most people who enter a lucid dream from consciousness normally dream of themselves looking at their sleeping body. Everything else can be explained by "you are in a dream". Even him talking to his guide about them helping sounds a lot like the conversations that I have with my own subconscious.[/QUOTE] The whole idea is that Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming are the same thing. That a Lucid Dream is, or can become, Astral Projection. Personally, I've never experienced either, so I can't really claim to know.

I went into this with an open mind, but I found, as usual, that all of this kind of stuff goes like this: A bit of science + assumption and extrapolation = a conclusion that the writer will try and tell us is [i]obviously[/i] true, and that we can all see that [i]now[/i]. I'm sorry I'd like to believe all this as much as some other people do, but they're really not doing themselves any favours. This isn't science, and no [u]the two do not have to be mutually exclusive[/u]. The bit that annoyed me the most was saying something like "the vesca piscis gives us such and such mathematical ratios" - no, those mathematical ratios are use to [i]describe[/i] it, not the other way around. That's a bit like saying the 12-inch pizza gave us the measurement of the inch - and by the way, [i]obviously[/i] that one's true, I'm sure you can all see that now.

[QUOTE=sdwise;35693392]Wow, that went way over your head. Ok, let me put it this way: There is no wisdom in steadfast, unshakable belief. A true thinker will question his beliefs all the time.[/QUOTE] You question your beliefs? Then how come you're still a Christian?

[QUOTE=znk666;35719687]You question your beliefs? Then how come you're still a Christian?[/QUOTE] I gave it up for a bit. I got into theories about speciation and all that and, in the end, none of it made sense. I understood the logic, but to me, the main flaw in the idea was that nothing could explode into chaos and the end result could be this universe. The universe is too organized for that, in my opinion, and I came to the conclusion that there must have been intelligence involved. I continued to consider it and I ended up right back with Christianity making the most sense. More importantly, this is not a thread about Christianity. Can we not make it one? [editline]26th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=JenkinsJ;35718971]I went into this with an open mind, but I found, as usual, that all of this kind of stuff goes like this: A bit of science + assumption and extrapolation = a conclusion that the writer will try and tell us is [i]obviously[/i] true, and that we can all see that [i]now[/i]. I'm sorry I'd like to believe all this as much as some other people do, but they're really not doing themselves any favours. This isn't science, and no [u]the two do not have to be mutually exclusive[/u]. The bit that annoyed me the most was saying something like "the vesca piscis gives us such and such mathematical ratios" - no, those mathematical ratios are use to [i]describe[/i] it, not the other way around. That's a bit like saying the 12-inch pizza gave us the measurement of the inch - and by the way, [i]obviously[/i] that one's true, I'm sure you can all see that now.[/QUOTE] I see your point and that's understandable. As long as it's all based on the discernment of an open mind, any conclusion about this stuff is fine. But I would ask, did any of it speak to you? Attract you, I mean. Just curious.

[QUOTE=sdwise;35692072] It's about experience. There's plenty of supporting evidence, as the thread lays out. but if someone wanted to yell "bullshit" and shut it out, then they would not experience it and, therefore, feel they had disproved it. Self fulfilling prophesy and all.[/QUOTE] except if there was plenty of supporting evidence then it would actually be proven there's no evidence

[QUOTE=sdwise;35719779]I gave it up for a bit. I got into theories about speciation and all that and, in the end, none of it made sense. I understood the logic, but to me, the main flaw in the idea was that nothing could explode into chaos and the end result could be this universe.[/QUOTE] The universe was singular before the Big Bang. It was not "nothing." [QUOTE=sdwise;35719779]The universe is too organized for that, in my opinion, and I came to the conclusion that there must have been intelligence involved.[/QUOTE] The universe? Organized? A fundamental law of the universe is that it gets less and less ordered as time goes on, irreversibly.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;35720586]The universe? Organized? A fundamental law of the universe is that it gets less and less ordered as time goes on, irreversibly.[/QUOTE] I think he's talking about the apparent "fine-tuning", which can also be explained by invoking anthropic princple and/or multiverses.

[QUOTE=sdwise;35718493]The whole idea is that Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming are the same thing. That a Lucid Dream is, or can become, Astral Projection. Personally, I've never experienced either, so I can't really claim to know.[/QUOTE] What some call Astral Projection can be chalked up to nothing more than them thinking they are flying about the world and so on, only for it to be a dream and the person not knowing any better.

Looks like a bunch of new-age bogus, but I'll watch the series all the way through. Also, they call it "spiritual science", but so far, I don't see any provable points. It's all just based on stuff like "You know that thing where you think of something before someone says it? Yeah, that's because of X".

[QUOTE=sdwise;35719779]I gave it up for a bit. I got into theories about speciation and all that and, in the end, none of it made sense. I understood the logic, but to me, the main flaw in the idea was that nothing could explode into chaos and the end result could be this universe. The universe is too organized for that, in my opinion, and I came to the conclusion that there must have been intelligence involved. I continued to consider it and I ended up right back with Christianity making the most sense.[/QUOTE] Speciation makes sense because it's a fact, you can still be a Christian and accept evolution for the fact that it is. In fact I had a lecturer who was Christian and taught us a part of a Genetics & Evolution module at my uni. Let's just get that out of the way. I don't really understand how nothing could explode into chaos because I know about 0 physics. But lots of physicists know and can explain it, so why don't you go and look it up instead of just assuming it doesn't make sense. [QUOTE=sdwise;35719779]I see your point and that's understandable. As long as it's all based on the discernment of an open mind, any conclusion about this stuff is fine. But I would ask, did any of it speak to you? Attract you, I mean. Just curious.[/QUOTE] The idea that all of this could be true is very attracting, but it probably isn't. I like to watch documentaries about religious history and stuff, which is a bit like this stuff. It sort of reminds me of Indiana Jones searching for ancient relics. A really good one that was broadcast on the BBC is Bible's Buried Secrets, there's 3 episodes, one of them explored the evidence that originally in the bible God had a wife, it's really great stuff if you can find it online. You should look for the BBC version though, not a redubbed one sold for broadcast in a different country, because other companies tend to take the impartiality out of it. Like when you see Attenborough documentaries narrated by Americans - they usually anthropomorphise the animals. I also have a great book called A History Of God by Karen Armstrong that I haven't finished yet. But the point I'm trying to make is that, yes, it's all very attractive but I know it's not fact. I really like the myths and stories and how they've changed through time, but that's what they are.

what are you talking about guys, the universe is plenty ordered the galaxy we're on the fringe of is going to collide into andromeda, fucking our collective shit before dark energy drives all of the matter in the universe apart from each other resulting in heat death, killing everything in existence and consigning the universe to an eternity of inertness best design ever

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35728809]what are you talking about guys, the universe is plenty ordered the galaxy we're on the fringe of is going to collide into andromeda, fucking our collective shit before dark energy drives all of the matter in the universe apart from each other resulting in heat death, killing everything in existence and consigning the universe to an eternity of inertness best design ever[/QUOTE] That's one theory anyway. The universe however does get inherently more chaotic as time goes by.

I post quite a bit in other threads about such things. Personally I find a lot of the ideas entertained such as 'chakra' can be easily fell into by people whilst stepping aside the point all together, sort of using it as an easy escape rope. My take on Abrahamic Religions is that no effort is required in seeking 'god' to create one's own definition of 'what god is', instead favouring 'blind faith' in what other people have told you. Physical emphasis is placed on 'getting down and praying with actual thoughts' and people following such religions look outside into the physical world for signs of God, yet they are too used to what they see and too entangled in their own thoughts to be endlessly surprised by the beauty of the present moment. Dharmic Religions like Buddhism emphasise self-discovery and exploration of one's own experience, recognition of cause and effect, and experience with 'god' as it is defined by the being can be useful in the understanding process. Very little leads can really be given that make any sense to anyone else, as much of what happens cannot be named or labelled, only directly experienced. I find that the idea of Chakra, for example, is easy to dive straight into, without any of the preliminary foundation work in simple meditation being done. I mean, how can you expect to see [I]anything at all[/I], internal or external, through clear goggles when you can't even clearly see yet, nor empty your mind of the judgements, thoughts, notions of 'depression' or other symptomatic manifestations that run full-speed 24-7 through your entire life. When you've done that work, why not just remain clear and see what emerges in what remains:- I promise you, you won't feel the need to name it 'chakra' or label it colours, or meanings, or assign it any of this dogma. What's the difference between believing that and believing that Jesus came back from the dead or that Pink Unicorns fly around in an ethereal plane high in the atmosphere, just outside the light spectrum that humans can see. I think such things as 'chakra' sort of add a 'trendy, hippy, new-age vibe' and that people take pleasure in the psychosomatic element of 'visualising' things without making any effort to discover what they are on their own first.

Don't really give a crap about the spiritual mumbo-jumbo, but I've started doing meditation(awareness), and it really helps me relax and clears my head. I'm trying to do it everyday now, and I feel that I'm generally more relaxed than usual.

Not my point of view, but I get the point you're trying to get across. I am okay with the idea of trying to atribute the events of your life and feelings to a higher entity, be it inner or outer, celestial or physical. In fact it's what I do. I just don't see the same patterns, nor the same logic. But hey, whatever does you, man. That's why we have freedom of speech.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;35758006]I post quite a bit in other threads about such things. Personally I find a lot of the ideas entertained such as 'chakra' can be easily fell into by people whilst stepping aside the point all together, sort of using it as an easy escape rope. My take on Abrahamic Religions is that no effort is required in seeking 'god' to create one's own definition of 'what god is', instead favouring 'blind faith' in what other people have told you. Physical emphasis is placed on 'getting down and praying with actual thoughts' and people following such religions look outside into the physical world for signs of God, yet they are too used to what they see and too entangled in their own thoughts to be endlessly surprised by the beauty of the present moment. Dharmic Religions like Buddhism emphasise self-discovery and exploration of one's own experience, recognition of cause and effect, and experience with 'god' as it is defined by the being can be useful in the understanding process. Very little leads can really be given that make any sense to anyone else, as much of what happens cannot be named or labelled, only directly experienced. I find that the idea of Chakra, for example, is easy to dive straight into, without any of the preliminary foundation work in simple meditation being done. I mean, how can you expect to see [I]anything at all[/I], internal or external, through clear goggles when you can't even clearly see yet, nor empty your mind of the judgements, thoughts, notions of 'depression' or other symptomatic manifestations that run full-speed 24-7 through your entire life. When you've done that work, why not just remain clear and see what emerges in what remains:- I promise you, you won't feel the need to name it 'chakra' or label it colours, or meanings, or assign it any of this dogma. What's the difference between believing that and believing that Jesus came back from the dead or that Pink Unicorns fly around in an ethereal plane high in the atmosphere, just outside the light spectrum that humans can see. I think such things as 'chakra' sort of add a 'trendy, hippy, new-age vibe' and that people take pleasure in the psychosomatic element of 'visualising' things without making any effort to discover what they are on their own first.[/QUOTE] I agree with you about the importance of self-discovery. That's why both Spiritualism and Christianity attract me. If one studies pre-constantine Christianity and Christian practice, they find that Christianity is an extremely spiritual and introspective faith (not the dogmatic, judgmental, "follow these rules to get to heaven" system that it is now). And I don't like all the labeling that goes on either. I think one's experiences with the spirit are too personal to really slap a label on. I do, however, believe in a spiritual matrix in the body and the idea of chakras are most in line with what I've experienced. But the whole assigned colors thing is odd, and that's why I don't really buy into that particular facet wholesale. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Thaard;35759341]Don't really give a crap about the spiritual mumbo-jumbo, but I've started doing meditation(awareness), and it really helps me relax and clears my head. I'm trying to do it everyday now, and I feel that I'm generally more relaxed than usual.[/QUOTE] Meditation is a great way to stay relaxed and grounded. I've always had anger issues, but I've found that regular meditation has alleviated the issue somewhat. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Scarabix;35762046]Not my point of view, but I get the point you're trying to get across. I am okay with the idea of trying to atribute the events of your life and feelings to a higher entity, be it inner or outer, celestial or physical. In fact it's what I do. I just don't see the same patterns, nor the same logic. But hey, whatever does you, man. That's why we have freedom of speech.[/QUOTE] Very civil, thank you :)

The flower of life was very prominent in the last time I smoked DMT. It was the most beautiful thing i've ever seen. strange, since it is only seven circles

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;35694019]I guess that explains why you are so happy, and I am depressed.[/QUOTE] Aww Sobot I didn't know you were depressed. You were always cool in my book if that is of any help.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;35758006]I post quite a bit in other threads about such things. Personally I find a lot of the ideas entertained such as 'chakra' can be easily fell into by people whilst stepping aside the point all together, sort of using it as an easy escape rope. My take on Abrahamic Religions is that no effort is required in seeking 'god' to create one's own definition of 'what god is', instead favouring 'blind faith' in what other people have told you. Physical emphasis is placed on 'getting down and praying with actual thoughts' and people following such religions look outside into the physical world for signs of God, yet they are too used to what they see and too entangled in their own thoughts to be endlessly surprised by the beauty of the present moment. Dharmic Religions like Buddhism emphasise self-discovery and exploration of one's own experience, recognition of cause and effect, and experience with 'god' as it is defined by the being can be useful in the understanding process. Very little leads can really be given that make any sense to anyone else, as much of what happens cannot be named or labelled, only directly experienced. I find that the idea of Chakra, for example, is easy to dive straight into, without any of the preliminary foundation work in simple meditation being done. I mean, how can you expect to see [I]anything at all[/I], internal or external, through clear goggles when you can't even clearly see yet, nor empty your mind of the judgements, thoughts, notions of 'depression' or other symptomatic manifestations that run full-speed 24-7 through your entire life. When you've done that work, why not just remain clear and see what emerges in what remains:- I promise you, you won't feel the need to name it 'chakra' or label it colours, or meanings, or assign it any of this dogma. What's the difference between believing that and believing that Jesus came back from the dead or that Pink Unicorns fly around in an ethereal plane high in the atmosphere, just outside the light spectrum that humans can see. I think such things as 'chakra' sort of add a 'trendy, hippy, new-age vibe' and that people take pleasure in the psychosomatic element of 'visualising' things without making any effort to discover what they are on their own first.[/QUOTE] buddhit meditations barely even scratch the surface at debugging the vestigial shit left over in our brains from evolution

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;35771354]buddhit meditations barely even scratch the surface at debugging the vestigial shit left over in our brains from evolution[/QUOTE] Such as?

So, SS released a new video, which means an OP update :P This one isn't so much based in spirituality, but more on the findings of the [url=http://www.heartmath.org/]Institute of Heart Math[/url], a research center that studies the effect of the heart on coherence and consciousness. Go check the video out :)

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;35773177]Such as?[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Judgment-under-Uncertainty-Heuristics-Biases/dp/0521284147]if there's an ancient buddhist technique[/url] [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Predictably-Irrational-Hidden-Forces-Decisions/dp/0007256523]to patch everything in here, I'm all ears[/url]

[QUOTE=Fhenexx;35693329]I believe gravitational potential energy can be negative in certain cases (i.e. if a lead ball hits soft ground and makes a shallow, but measurable, hole and remains there, which would result in a negative change in height as the object is embedded in the surface of the Earth), but I'm not 100% certain of this. Work is also measured in joules, which is a scalar quantity, meaning it can be either positive or negative. Therefore, -500 joules.[/QUOTE] Energy can't really ever be negative though. Conservation of energy and whatnot.