[QUOTE=Murkat;23904106]Someone count the amount of times they say 'Science' in that.[/QUOTE]
Counted 15 including all forms of the word. Like "Scientists", and "Scientifically".
[QUOTE=bravehat;23901700]Anthropomorphic principle.
We only exist here on earth right now at this point in time in the cosmos because at any other point in time earth was not suitable for life.
Tadah.
Goes both ways, favours all arguments depending on how someone skews it.[/QUOTE]
Anthropomorphic things are furries and other such creatures or object with human attributes; it's called the anthropic principle. But you're right about what it means. The only reason we can say "what if" is because the if happened to make us.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;23904457]I hate how science is being slowly turned into this... New Age bollocks.
Fuck, all this shit about Quantum Mysticism: You should see how the hipsters behind What The Bleep do We Know? turned Quantum Physics into the new magic.
All products using "quantum" as a synonym for magic, selling "quantum energy stones".
All those idiots squeezing money out of public idiocy. First, for money. But if people start to seriously believe them, it becomes Scientific Priesthood, á la Isaac Asimov's Foundation where they control the population of an entire world ran by coal and oil by showing them the "secrets" of nuclear power, and maintain power by keeping the new nuclear power plants, etc.
Specially that retard Deepak Chopra, there are so many people waiting in line to tell him he's a charlatan, but they can't because:
1 - We're too polite.
2 - He always looks like he's about to board a Cessna from a private tarmac in central Colombia, so no.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't mind a true meritocracy, but the quantum woo shit is annoying. That's not science by any stretch of the word, it's unscientific bullshit and corruption of valid theories to suit their new-age feel good nonsense.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23880069]5.9 Hydrogen atoms for every cubic meter is the approximate density of the universe. Think about that; for every planet or sun, there's so much empty space in between, that the density of the universe only works out to be around 6 hydrogen atoms in every cubic meter.
[url]http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_matter.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I just cant understand what the dark energy and dark matter are, even when i read.
[QUOTE=alx12345;23922171]I just cant understand what the dark energy and dark matter are, even when i read.[/QUOTE]
Dark matter and energy are abstracts used to explain otherwise errant observations involving the expansion of the universe and gravity in objects like galaxies.
Basically we don't know what they're like, only what they seem to do.
I thought that this thread was going to contain a boardgame, similar to Snakes and Ladders etc. I was disappointed to say the least.
So you'd rather have a silly boardgame than [B]SCIENCE!?[/B]
Heresy.
I would mark myself as a scientific man, but I don't agree with the ignorant saying that science disapproves supernatural, and that anything supernatural should ever hinder scientific progress.
People who think, that scientific progress disapproves, for example christian beliefs, doesn't have good enough knowledge of them, or don't get their message right.
On the other note, anybody who says and ever said that any scientific progress could be against will of god, or any other supernatural power, is again completely mistaken about what sources like bible and such say, but also about the principles of science.
I find myself somewhat superior in scientific disciplines like astronomy, physics, computers or maths, over most of my peers, as they all interest me. But I also find myself adept in questions of faith, finding the actual meaning of bible, and actually even sources of other religions.
What do I see by knowing both of those, as some people think, apparently contradictory ways of thinking? The both make perfect sense when combined.
It's true, that many people have wrongly explained meaning of prophecies and writings like bible or others, either to empower themselves, or just by pure dullness, but there are actually remarkable things to learn from them.
And saying that religion didn't do anything good is as blind as saying that science is against will of god. For centuries, do you know who ran the ONLY schools? Church. We might stay in dark age forever, because for really long time, the only people who got arsed to learn and discover were all part of church.
And one example for end:
Do you know who discovered genetics?[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel] Gregor Medel[/url]. One of the most propagated scientific disciplines of today, which also brings a lot of controversy, was discovered by an abbot.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;23925416]And saying that religion didn't do anything good is as blind as saying that science is against will of god. For centuries, do you know who ran the ONLY schools? Church. We might stay in dark age forever, because for really long time, the only people who got arsed to learn and discover were all part of church.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. To be religious, believe in God, and disacknowledge everything he's created would be blind. I believe a fellow by the initials A.E. stated something similar.
I'm sure some, if not a majority of American athiests, would love to disacknowledge the foundation of the country and it's oh-so-tight ties to religion as well.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;23928630]Pretty much this. To be religious, believe in God, and disacknowledge everything he's created would be blind. I believe a fellow by the initials A.E. stated something similar.
I'm sure some, if not a majority of American athiests, would love to disacknowledge the foundation of the country and it's oh-so-tight ties to religion as well.[/QUOTE]
You're really gonna use the tired old "America was founded as a christian/religious country" canard?
[QUOTE=Tukimoshi;23888967](but expanding at the speed of light or faster, if that is possible.)[/QUOTE]
Yep.
[QUOTE=Tukimoshi;23888967]It's inevitable that we'll discover life on another planet one day, because the universe is arguably infinite (Not literally, but expanding at the speed of light or faster, if that is possible.)[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it was before but isn't anymore
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23928748]You're really gonna use the tired old "America was founded as a christian/religious country" canard?[/QUOTE]
I find it hard to be a fabrication, when it's in our [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence]Declaration of Independence[/url], and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust]our [i]official motto[/i][/url].
Unfortunately due to my ignorance of this country (sad I don't know much about the USA, when I grew up here, due to our repulsive educational system) I can't bring to mind the hundreds of other documents and events in history where religion was an integral part of this nation, and that it's so strongly propagated in the country, that there has to be an ever present blind eye turned to disacknowledge it.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;23928934]I find it hard to be a fabrication, when it's in our [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence"]Declaration of Independence[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust"]our [I]official motto[/I][/URL], and that it's so strongly propagated in the country, that there has to be an ever present blind eye turned to disacknowledge it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The motto [I]IN GOD WE TRUST[/I] was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. The motto first appeared on the 1864 [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-cent_piece_%28United_States_coin%29"]two-cent coin[/URL], followed in 1866 by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shield_nickel"]5 cent nickel[/URL] (1866–1883), quarter dollar, half dollar, silver dollar and gold dollars. It did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Congress"]Act of Congress[/URL] in 1956.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#cite_note-ustreashist-1"][2][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#cite_note-CR1956p13917-2"][3][/URL][/QUOTE]
Doesn't sound like 1776. And the DOI never says a single thing about this being a religious country, the closest it comes to is saying that inalienable rights come from a higher deity, not even big G God.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23929017]Doesn't sound like 1776. And the DOI never says a single thing about this being a religious country, the closest it comes to is saying that inalienable rights come from a higher deity, not even big G God.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you like to ignore our founding father's backgrounds as well. I know enough to realize they were religious.
Here's a fun little tidbit of information; when stated federal endorsement of a deity or religion violates the US Constitution this refers to a national official religion. States used to have their own individual official religions.
I bet you were never taught that.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;23929122]Sounds like you like to ignore our founding father's backgrounds as well. I know enough to realize they were religious.
Here's a fun little tidbit of information; when stated federal endorsement of a deity or religion violates the US Constitution this refers to a national official religion. States used to have their own individual official religions.
I bet you were never taught that.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter what their backgrounds were, it was never stated that the country was explicitly Christian, and actually stated it was explicitly not.
And of course I knew colonies used to have particular sects as their state religion, i'm not stupid. Doesn't change the fact that they don't any more, and didn't for very long after the Bill of Rights was passed. Here, bet you were never taught this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion#Former_state_churches_in_British_North_America[/url]
And you're pretty foolish if you think the establishment clause is limited to an explicit federal decree of a national religion.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23929198]it was never stated that the country was explicitly Christian[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you're aggressively agreeing with me. I know it's not, but you must have misread my statement.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23929198]And of course I knew colonies used to have particular sects as their state religion, i'm not stupid. Doesn't change the fact that they don't any more, and didn't for very long after the Bill of Rights was passed. Here, bet you were never taught this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion#Former_state_churches_in_British_North_America[/url]
And you're pretty foolish if you think the establishment clause is limited to an explicit federal decree of a national religion.[/QUOTE]
I think it's a little presumptuous for you to think I believe you're ignorant. A lot of people don't actually know that, so you should calm your jets. Your statement is a bit offensive in my opinion. And actually, it's pretty narrow to just about that, promoting a religion over something else, and restricting upon religious freedoms.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;23929257]Sounds like you're aggressively agreeing with me. I know it's not, but you must have misread my statement.
I think it's a little presumptuous for you to think I believe you're ignorant. A lot of people don't actually know that, so you should calm your jets. Your statement is a bit offensive in my opinion. And actually, it's pretty narrow to just about that, promoting a religion over something else, and restricting upon religious freedoms.[/QUOTE]
Except that's not narrow at all, and not what you said. Endorsing one religion over another or oppressing one religion does not equate to enforcing a national religion. And what are you saying, if not the country was founded upon christianity? That it was founded upon religion in general? Sounds pointlessly amorphous (much like the deism of many of the founding fathers)
[QUOTE=amcwatters;23928630]I'm sure some, if not a majority of American athiests, would love to disacknowledge the foundation of the country and it's oh-so-tight ties to religion as well.[/QUOTE]
Article 11.
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What the fuck is religion doing all over a science thread?
Science can't happen without religion vs. science cropping up. It's like, one of the rules of the internet or something.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;23930749]Science can't happen without religion vs. science cropping up. It's like, one of the rules of the internet or something.[/QUOTE]
Though it went 67 posts without being brought up, which is kind of impressive. We were doing good until that pretentious post.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23930813]Though it went 67 posts without being brought up, which is kind of impressive. We were doing good until that pretentious post.[/QUOTE]
Back to Science; I'm currently trying to find some biotechnology related journal articles that may have some implications, once I find one and go through it I'm going to do another one of my Write-ups for ITN.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23934199]Back to Science; I'm currently trying to find some biotechnology related journal articles that may have some implications, once I find one and go through it I'm going to do another one of my Write-ups for ITN.[/QUOTE]
Implications such as what?
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23934251]Implications such as what?[/QUOTE]
As in actually interesting to people here, rather than something like this:
"An allosteric inhibitor of substrate recognition by the SCFCdc4 ubiquitin ligase"
[i]Nature Biotechnology[/i] [b]28[/b], 733–737 (2010) doi:10.1038/nbt.1646
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23934309]As in actually interesting to people here, rather than something like this:
"An allosteric inhibitor of substrate recognition by the SCFCdc4 ubiquitin ligase"
[I]Nature Biotechnology[/I] [B]28[/B], 733–737 (2010) doi:10.1038/nbt.1646[/QUOTE]
:psyduck: That would be good to avoid. Biology isn't my strong point so I can't really recommend anything, but hopefully you can find something comprehensible [B]and[/B] important/cool.
personally, I prefer the arts to the sciences.
[QUOTE=amcwatters;23928630]Pretty much this. To be religious, believe in God, and disacknowledge everything he's created would be blind. I believe a fellow by the initials A.E. stated something similar.
[B]I'm sure some, if not a majority of American athiests, would love to disacknowledge the foundation of the country and it's oh-so-tight ties to religion as well.[/B][/QUOTE]
Completely neglecting the fact that America was founded as a secular nation, specifically for the purpose no deity was favoured over any other so everyone was happy and free to believe and pray to whoever they wanted.
Nicely done man, nicely done.
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[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23934309]As in actually interesting to people here, rather than something like this:
"An allosteric inhibitor of substrate recognition by the SCFCdc4 ubiquitin ligase"
[i]Nature Biotechnology[/i] [b]28[/b], 733–737 (2010) doi:10.1038/nbt.1646[/QUOTE]
It basically stops an enzyme from taking a reactant for a reaction.
It's a hormone type thing that controls a reaction within the body.
Are you studying biology or something bravehat?
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