• Atheism as state religion
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[QUOTE=Eudoxia;21781290]Christianity isn't sexist? Then why is Eve the gateway to hell, weapon of the devil, and the original sin?[/QUOTE] Because she's a stupid whore. Der.
[QUOTE=Shammah;21780484]But with atheism you still believe in something (if just atheistic, nothig else), just like any other religion. You believe in the absence of something. [/QUOTE] Oh so epicureanism, fascism, empiricism and most other -isms are religions too?
[QUOTE=Virtanen;21795876]Oh so epicureanism, fascism, empiricism and most other -isms are religions too?[/QUOTE] Let's have another cheer for our homeland Finland wich has the amount of atheists raising all the time.
Religion is not the problem. Organized religion is. It places a bureaucracy on something that's supposed to be for each person to arrive at on his or her own. Since man =/= perfect, then anything written by man =/= perfect, regardless of what might supposedly have been revealed to him. You then get one flawed man's flawed interpretations being the guidebook for a bunch of other flawed people who will take their own flawed interpretations of it. Do this for about 10,000 years and you start getting a wide variety of beliefs. While the core of these beliefs is certainly nothing bad, "respect for your fellow man/woman", "don't kill", "don't steal", etc., things start getting a little fuzzy around the edges. "Spread the word." How? "Tell people what they should believe." What if they won't listen? And then it goes downhill from there depending on you or your religious leaders' interpretations. It starts getting forced on others. The Jews did it in ancient times, the Christians did it in near-ancient to medieval times, and Muslims have been doing it off and on from medieval to modern times. This of course doesn't mean all of those who followed those faiths...unfortunately it too often meant powerful/influential members of those faiths. I personally think that if there is a God, there is no way for us mere mortals to know what it really wants us to do or if it even cares about us now that it's done "Creating" or however it caused us to come in to being (if one even did create the universe). And since there's no way to know, I'm living my life for me. But don't rip on religion itself...focus your irritation toward organized religion.
Yeah, and you get leviticus. Worst book ever :colbert: Although revelations need sot be made into a film.
Haha isn't that the point of "Left Behind"?
Has anyone here mentioned the fact that secularism is a far better choice then atheism? Also, it's not like some people didn't advocate the Separation of Church and State, one of the people being, you know, Jesus. [I]“Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and give to God what is God’s.”[/I] - Matthew 22:21. It's humorous, actually, Jesus tried to dismantle the bloated Jewish religious institution that was around during those times, but in the end Christianity sort of took up exactly what Jesus was trying to get rid of.
The US government is supposed to be secular, that was how it was founded, even though it was founded by Christians, they were very against a religion based government because many people came to America to escape religious rule.
[QUOTE=rathat48;21878483]The US government is supposed to be secular, that was how it was founded, even though it was founded by Christians, they were very against a religion based government because many people came to America to escape religious rule.[/QUOTE] [url]http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html[/url] Mostly deists, not Christians. My source may be wrong, but eh.
Yay another religion thread with a poor OP.
The problem is interpretation, Christians who have cast down pretty much all doctrine and dogma aside from believing in god and leading a productive, morally and physically healthy life, like myself, see the horrifying errors of fundamentalist organizations. They do nothing but seek control over people's lives, turning them to an all-encompassing statement "We are the righteous. They are not." It sends people into a frenzy and EVISCERATES everything for which Christianity and almost any other religion stands for. Hatred and Fear, does those sound like a moralistic values to you? The truth is that fear and hatred separates, its what separates your highschool football team and the other one, its what separates African Americans and White Americans, its even what separated the United States and the Soviet Union. The fact of the matter is, that the problems are caused by misinterpretation and generalization. Not all Christians are Knight Templars and not all Atheists are Communists. Most people fail to realize that they should just let people choose their own path, follow their own, and shut the fuck up, because arguing about it is just about as justified as Nuclear War. That was the original sin, bigotry.
[QUOTE=Shammah;21780378]Well, not really atheism, my bad. What I really mean is no religion, but preferable agnosticism. [/QUOTE] This was a great idea up until you said agnosticism.
[QUOTE=Shammah;21780378]Well, not really atheism, my bad. What I really mean is no religion, but preferable agnosticism. What I mean is, apart from some communist countries, I havent't seen any other country with no state religion. That's understandable, but while in some countries the importance of religion is becoming less and less, I haven't seen any political party yet who supports the antitheistic idea of banning (not bannig, sorry, more like removing it's key role in society) all religion. Not even a populistic / one-issue party. People keep on blaming and saying bad things about one religion, like Muslims or Jews, but the fact is that ALL religions should be treated as, well, they're all religions and the negatives outweight the positives. It degrade in the hierarchy of society. I think it's time for people to realise this and when blacktalking any religion, they should do it for all of them. I'm not saying we should purge our countries and start eradicating believers a la holocaust, but just make it less important, it shouldn't play such a big role as it does nowadays. And for the record, I'm not trying to be racist here, it's just that I think there's a need for change, since it causes more bad than good. Oh, and another thing, I'm not really atheistic myself. Sorry for the misleading title, I know a lot of people are Atheistic in here (see census), and think Atheism is also a religion. I'm more talking about antitheism, which is in some way linked to Atheism. Kinda my first big post here since my signup, hope it ain't a shitty one. Tl;dr State religion must lower it's importance significantly, as it causes more bad than good. Opinions? Oh, and please keep it civilized, just an idea, not trying to provoke anything.[/QUOTE] well i do belong to my own party "mix o commmunism socalism but no capitalism" and i do want practicing religion to be punishable by death and i do hate religion in all my might so ya you just found your guy [editline]12:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=The_Fly56556;21780386]Atheism isn't a religion. You can't get rid of Religion because there will always be the little bit of people's brains that tell them that there's an old man in the clouds running the show.[/QUOTE] thats why i say we rewire ppls brains by force if they dont complie then BOOM HEADSHOT and or do a combine like procedure turning them into mindless police [editline]12:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Shammah;21780484]But with atheism you still believe in something (if just atheistic, nothig else), just like any other religion. You believe in the absence of something. Also, I don't say religion must be gone, that can't be done ofcourse, just lower it's significance.[/QUOTE] with a few million deaths and lobodomys it can oh just lobodomys not deaths [editline]12:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Perfumly;21780549]I would say that agnosticism is for people with more open minds. Believing that there is or is not a god absolutely without proof either way is foolish[/QUOTE] we have all the proof we need to disprove religion and the only reason why i want to turn religious ppl into zombies is because DUN DUN DUUNNNNNN religion is killing us left and right we might as well erase it from society so it can benifit our future [editline]12:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jund;21780717]There should be separation of church and state, but we should never, [b]ever[/b] ban religion. "Oh you can't think this way. If you think this way you will get thrown in jail." Does that fucking sound right to you? If so, you're a piece of egotistical shit. Religion is a way of thinking, and the day the thought police arrive is the day freedom is dead.[/QUOTE] no if you do you die "or loose your ability to remember religion" as i said causing a complete banning of religion will be better for the future where people dont kill each other for stupid and fake things oh and "morals" no longer hold back science
Surely the best option would be to have no official religion? Also, mr.killa, you've entered your age wrong. See, it says "29", so clearly you've accidentally added in an extra 20 years somehow.
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