Depression, anxiety, suicidalism and similar disorders, issues and troubles V4 - Discussion, help an - General

[QUOTE=Solodris;49831945]What is this? Secular samadhi/quasi-psychology?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm just gonna opt out of this thread. See ya guys!

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49832387]Yeah, I'm just gonna opt out of this thread. See ya guys![/QUOTE] It would increase your personal growth and effectiveness in delivering healing of the mind, if you just stuck to your area of understanding. We wouldn't want to cause more confusion in already distressed minds, my friend.

Tomorrow is going to be my first time at therapy (for anxiety), anything I should know?

[QUOTE=Unique_mask;49832425]Tomorrow is going to be my first time at therapy (for anxiety), anything I should know?[/QUOTE] Why are you asking for anxiety relieving information about an event that is going to teach you information about relieving anxiety?

[QUOTE=Solodris;49832486]Why are you asking for anxiety relieving information about an event that is going to teach you information about relieving anxiety?[/QUOTE] Because I've never been to therapy before. Anyway, I was asking more along the lines of what I should expect when I'm there.

[QUOTE=Unique_mask;49832495]Because I've never been to therapy before.[/QUOTE] It was a rhetorical question bordering on humor seeing as it's self-evident you need it. Mostly it's just sitting and talking to someone who knows how to combat anxious behavior.

[QUOTE=Solodris;49832424]It would increase your personal growth and effectiveness in delivering healing of the mind, if you just stuck to your area of understanding. We wouldn't want to cause more confusion in already distressed minds, my friend.[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong with what I said, though. I asked if he feels like he defaults to depression and worrying, which is not something that is inherently "spiritual" or out of my league in the application of psychology. I wasn't even going to apply psychology, I was going to apply my past experiences and say that in the moment of feeling depressed I try to think about [I]why[/I] I'm thinking that way and think and speak out loud about where I want to be and where I am. Saying out loud what you want to think is relaxing in itself. "I feel sad, but in reality I have it good, and there's nothing wrong. I just feel scared because it's what I'm used to, but things will change as I get better at this whole thing. I am okay." The reason why I harped on you in the past is because there's a reason why psychologists and therapists don't teach patients to become religious or become spiritual. If they do, they aren't psychologists. You cannot introduce religion or spirituality into science at all. You can't introduce that into being a doctor. That's why I didn't want to argue with you nor do I never want to try and convince you that what I'm saying isn't bullshit - you'll never get it because you've already disabled your means to a logical outlook on everything and subscribed to the strongest cognitive bias ever possible: religion.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49832521]There's nothing wrong with what I said, though. I asked if he feels like he defaults to depression and worrying, which is not something that is inherently "spiritual" or out of my league in the application of psychology. I wasn't even going to apply psychology, I was going to apply my past experiences and say that in the moment of feeling depressed I try to think about [I]why[/I] I'm thinking that way and think and speak out loud about where I want to be and where I am. Saying out loud what you want to think is relaxing in itself. "I feel sad, but in reality I have it good, and there's nothing wrong. I just feel scared because it's what I'm used to, but things will change as I get better at this whole thing. I am okay."[/QUOTE] There was nothing wrong with what you said, idle chatter communicates approval and comfort. Depression is psychiatry, not psychology and can be treated both using therapy and right understanding of spiritual practice. [QUOTE=wauterboi;49832521]The reason why I harped on you in the past is because there's a reason why psychologists and therapists don't teach patients to become religious or become spiritual. If they do, they aren't psychologists. You cannot introduce religion or spirituality into science at all. You can't introduce that into being a doctor. That's why I didn't want to argue with you nor do I never want to try and convince you that what I'm saying isn't bullshit - you'll never get it because you've already disabled your means to a logical outlook on everything and subscribed to the strongest cognitive bias ever possible: religion.[/QUOTE] Religion is a practice of life and would not fit into a single field of work. Mindfulness by the way is semantically defined as a spiritual practice. You're obviously perpetuated in demeaning my faith based solely on an insecurity mechanism of simply not understanding Buddhism. I'm not even arguing, I'm offering information.

[QUOTE=Solodris;49831945]What is this? Secular samadhi/quasi-psychology?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Solodris;49832424]It would increase your personal growth and effectiveness in delivering healing of the mind, if you just stuck to your area of understanding. [/QUOTE] This basically means "shut up" in my book. "You don't know anything, so stop talking."

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49832662]This basically means "shut up" in my book. "You don't know anything, so stop talking."[/QUOTE] Then I formally apologize. I'm autistic and drunk.

[QUOTE=Solodris;49832633]There was nothing wrong with what you said, idle chatter communicates approval and comfort. Depression is psychiatry, not psychology and can be treated both using therapy and right understanding of spiritual practice. Religion is a practice of life and would not fit into a single field of work. Mindfulness by the way is semantically defined as a spiritual practice. You're obviously perpetuated in demeaning my faith based solely on an insecurity mechanism of simply not understanding Buddhism. I'm not even arguing, I'm offering information.[/QUOTE] I'm totally for you giving your good two cents when it doesn't involve people having to do any spiritual soul-searching or anything like that. If you want to tell people what they can do to [I]mindfully[/I] relax and cope with life without pushing anything onto them or telling them that they need to join some group, that's fine. However, when you started telling people to meditate and start encouraging spirituality that's where my personal alarm goes off because it can dangerously manipulate people. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Solodris;49832670]Then I formally apologize. I'm autistic and drunk.[/QUOTE] You can't keep using that as an excuse. I'm not going to treat you as any lesser of a person because of your autism. In fact, it would be a disservice to you since you still have to interact with people in real life and need to choose your words carefully. They're essentially warnings for later off the computer when your words really matter.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49832676]I'm totally for you giving your good two cents when it doesn't involve people having to do any spiritual soul-searching or anything like that. If you want to tell people what they can do to [I]mindfully[/I] relax and cope with life without pushing anything onto them or telling them that they need to join some group, that's fine. However, when you started telling people to meditate and start encouraging spirituality that's where my personal alarm goes off because it can dangerously manipulate people.[/QUOTE] I don't actually care about people joining my buddhist faith. Though my understanding of the Samatha meditative practice didn't really make me aware of any danger in it. Much less other people perceiving it to be manipulative. [QUOTE=wauterboi;49832676]You can't keep using that as an excuse. I'm not going to treat you as any lesser of a person because of your autism. In fact, it would be a disservice to you since you still have to interact with people in real life and need to choose your words carefully. They're essentially warnings for later off the computer when your words really matter.[/QUOTE] I'm just expressing an apology for what was said so that I can show that I can learn to change. I just thought it was common curtsy to phrase myself like that when I show intent of changing my behavior.

As I've said multiple times before: Your religious practices and solutions may work fine for you, but you come off as condescending and impractical to people who are not of the same mind. I don't think you should be handing out advice of that sort unless someone explicitly requests advice of a spiritual nature because most people here are not looking for that.

[QUOTE=Pascall;49832776]As I've said multiple times before: Your religious practices and solutions may work fine for you, but you come off as condescending and impractical to people who are not of the same mind. I don't think you should be handing out advice of that sort unless someone explicitly requests advice of a spiritual nature because most people here are not looking for that.[/QUOTE] Thank you for saying this. Of course I would come of as condescending if I practice something pertaining a specific group of teachings and then suddenly noticing other people who don't have the same experience. It becomes nonsense. I guess I'm just coming on to strong about my conviction, I should just dial it down to a level where my practice meets scientific understanding. [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] I had a pretty rough upbringing, it was either ridiculing people with information they wouldn't understand or get picked on or bullied for having no social skills. For 10 years. [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] I'm learning to trust people again. [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] The hardest part is everyone telling me my expression of my sense of identity is false. So I'm still a social outcast. [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] I'm going to go drink myself unconscious on the couch. [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] Can't even tell people I'm socially handicapped to raise awareness towards my difficulties to understand conformity. I usually get told to snap out of it and just conform. But then I wouldn't be autistic now would I? I can't create an identity because they all sooner or later fall apart by being nonsensical. How do you form a sense of identity without the ability to conform? These identities will always be socially awkward. How the fuck am I going to go through education and maintaining a job with the issue of not understanding how to be a healthy and functioning individual.

solodris, you are causing drama and this thread does [i]not[/i] need drama. Please be mindful of what you post.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;49834176]solodris, you are causing drama and this thread does [i]not[/i] need drama. Please be mindful of what you post.[/QUOTE] Sorry. I'll leave and come back when I'm more stable.

if you know you're going to make bad posts then dont post

If Bipolar mood swings were controllable, it wouldn't ruin every aspect of my life. [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] I'm anxious. Some time ago I found a sense of belonging in this forum, now my Bipolar is causing distress to people. I'm really sorry guys.

Here's the thing: I don't hate you dude. I don't think anyone here does. It's just that there's a mish mash of issues that associate with how you speak to others. This is why I highlighted the things that bothered me by what you said. You have to use words that do not condescend or make you seem immoveable as a person.

No offense Solodris, but you give Buddhism a bad name. Stop forcing things, but you should KNOW that already.

Thanks, and yeah.

Anyone familiar with anxiety that just comes and goes? Never any anxiety attacks, almost episodic I guess? Does any of this sound RIGHT to you guys? Because I've been struggling with this kind of stuff for most of my life.

Posting in this thread is kind of a weird thing for me, because I want to post here the [i]most[/i] when I'm having an anxious episode, feeling viciously suicidal etc but those times are exactly when I [i]shouldn't[/i] post because I'll say something awful that borders on shitposting and offers nothing of value to myself or anyone. I know that those sorts of things make me think and behave irrationally extremely easily. So, in a similar vein to how I reach out for help to people I know irl, I have to exercise a [i]lot[/i] of self-awareness and restraint to not accidentally ruin someone else's day or their opinion of me. So I kind of understand how such a thing could happen. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=gy2kts;49834777]Anyone familiar with anxiety that just comes and goes? Never any anxiety attacks, almost episodic I guess? Does any of this sound RIGHT to you guys? Because I've been struggling with this kind of stuff for most of my life.[/QUOTE]I do have anxiety attacks on occasion but other than that I'm in the same boat as you. Just sort of an anxious undercurrent that comes and goes when it likes.

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;49834804]Posting in this thread is kind of a weird thing for me, because I want to post here the [i]most[/i] when I'm having an anxious episode, feeling viciously suicidal etc but those times are exactly when I [i]shouldn't[/i] post because I'll say something awful that borders on shitposting and offers nothing of value to myself or anyone. I know that those sorts of things make me think and behave irrationally extremely easily. So, in a similar vein to how I reach out for help to people I know irl, I have to exercise a [i]lot[/i] of self-awareness and restraint to not accidentally ruin someone else's day or their opinion of me. So I kind of understand how such a thing could happen. [editline]28th February 2016[/editline] I do have anxiety attacks on occasion but other than that I'm in the same boat as you. Just sort of an anxious undercurrent that comes and goes when it likes.[/QUOTE] Nah dude, shoot the shit. It's better to shoot the shit when you're searching for an answer or looking for some comfort. It only becomes a bad thing if you're habitually feeling shitty and reinforcing that shittiness by posting about how shitty you feel, enforcing a cycle in which you shit and reshit your feelings. Never reshit.

[QUOTE=Unique_mask;49832425]Tomorrow is going to be my first time at therapy (for anxiety), anything I should know?[/QUOTE] Got back from it, I'd say it went rather well, I've been prescribed Melatonin (2 months) which should help me get to sleep easier which should in turn help stop my anxiety.

this feeling of everything being a dream and unreal gets me pretty exhausted from time to time. most of the time I can deal with it, but suddenly it'll completely break me for a few minutes or hours. I really want the feeling to pass, it's surreal to think this'll be the second year I've lived with this feeling and the week prior to this one marked the one year "anniversary" of it becoming as severe as it is right now. I miss feeling present in reality

I feel so fucked up.. My friend, who is the only reason I keep on living, I haven't heard from her for a while and I have nothing to contact her with. She's having a pretty hard life and she might kill herself any moment, in which if she does, I will too... I'm worried about her... Tomorrow there are some tests, difficult ones.. I haven't had a motivation to study.. fuck, I feel like faking illness and do a follow up a few days later, cause I only studied a little, and not really that much sunk in. I hate being an idiot..

[QUOTE=Unique_mask;49836426]Got back from it, I'd say it went rather well, I've been prescribed Melatonin (2 months) which should help me get to sleep easier which should in turn help stop my anxiety.[/QUOTE] Melatonin has really helped me sleep, when I don't take it I really have trouble.

Melatonin actually makes me sleep worse and it gives me awful dreams [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] I'm really boxed in right now, I've been having a lot of really deeply suicidal thoughts and urges and I've been self-harming a lot, but I can't tell my therapist about it because he's legally mandated to tell my parents and I can't have that happen I need meds but guess what I can't fucking get them feels awful having a therapist you can't even tell everything to

[QUOTE=AtomicSans;49838226]Melatonin actually makes me sleep worse and it gives me awful dreams [editline]29th February 2016[/editline] I'm really boxed in right now, I've been having a lot of really deeply suicidal thoughts and urges and I've been self-harming a lot, but I can't tell my therapist about it because he's legally mandated to tell my parents and I can't have that happen I need meds but guess what I can't fucking get them feels awful having a therapist you can't even tell everything to[/QUOTE] Is there a possibility for you to discuss with your therapist that you don't feel comfortable and feel hindered by such a loop in doctor-patient confidentiality?