[QUOTE=MR-X;42842051]My major concern with the stuff they're manufacturing, they clearly don't understand basic sanitation and their operation seems pretty inefficient.
Transferring bulk to smaller containers and spilling it all over the floor = wasted product = wasted money = higher costing product.
They're wearing hairnets, but the guys are not wearing beard guards that cover the beard and mustache so hair can still get in the product.
clearly they got a pest problem and i'm willing to bet that it is from lack of proper storage and controlling the product. I bet they just leave that shit out overnight. Hell, one of the bags he opened had mold in it.
This guy who made this stuff up is basically going by "broscience"
Total meal replacement is horrible, yes it is fine to replace a few snacks or meals but drinking this all day every day is stupid.
Go get a tub of muscle milk/protein powder/lean powder it is cheaper and more then likely better for you as a meal replacement. The guy is a software engineer....not a nutritionist or doctor. His shit has not even been tested. The fact that guy lost 5lbs in like one-two weeks is pretty bad. I bet you that a lot of that weight loss is muscle tissue and not fat.[/QUOTE]
[quote]We would also like to emphasize the fact that Soylent 1.0, the product for which we have accepted over $1.5M in preorders, will not be manufactured by hand by our executive team. We have signed a purchase order with RFI Ingredients, a contract manufacturer with over 20 years of experience producing FDA-approved food products. Soylent is designed and regulated as a food, not a supplement. Their safety record is unimpeachable, which is one of the major reasons we chose to partner with them. To learn more about RFI’s certifications, please visit [url]http://www.rfiingredients.com/certifications.asp[/url].
[url]http://blog.soylent.me/[/url][/quote]
[editline]12th November 2013[/editline]
"This idea is going to solve a lot of problems about food, not just hunger; it's the environmental impact, it's poorly balanced food, which leads to obesity."
Okay I'm worried. I hope he doesn't actually believe this or I misunderstood him because if this is true he clearly doesn't understand how nutrition and the laws of thermodynamics works. You could eat nothing but calories of southern fried chicken and McDonald's each day and if you ate a caloric deficit, you would still lose weight.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42845184][editline]12th November 2013[/editline]
"This idea is going to solve a lot of problems about food, not just hunger; it's the environmental impact, it's poorly balanced food, which leads to obesity."
Okay I'm worried. I hope he doesn't actually believe this or I misunderstood him because if this is true he clearly doesn't understand how nutrition and the laws of thermodynamics works. You could eat nothing but calories of southern fried chicken and McDonald's each day and if you ate a caloric deficit, you would still lose weight.[/QUOTE]
Well that is good they actually contracted a actually manufacturer, pretty much puts my main concerns about the product.
I just like eating too damn much to ever want to live on something like this. I could imagine it working as a once-in-a-while meal substitute, but countless other products already serve that purpose and are probably healthier and safer.
I also just don't like the idea of processed food much in general, much less processed sludge. Call me crazy but humans have been just fine subsisting off real food for a very long time and I see no reason to fix what isn't broken.
(Also, the idea that hunger can be combated by simply producing more and more food is fundamentally flawed -- more food means more people means more hunger means more food means more people means more hunger... etc etc etc. It just doesn't work out, mathematically or practically.)
It's cool he lived 30 days without solid food but really at what cost would it be long term?
more food != more people
it's actually the opposite
For a software engineer, he's clearly not too competent.
He has the right idea, but he's taking it a little bit too far. A dietary replacement that can be prepared with just a bag of dry powder, clean water and a jug would be heaven for a lot of situations, but not for normal people who already have access to food.
Also, add some colorant and flavoring, guy, jesus fucking christ.
if we're going to replace all of our food with science I'd prefer just making a shitload of massive hydroponic facilities
The end goal shouldn't be to replace food, it should be to get better at making it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;42845828]if we're going to replace all of our food with science I'd prefer just making a shitload of massive hydroponic facilities
The end goal shouldn't be to replace food, it should be to get better at making it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I know I've gotten called out for it here on FP before, but I think the future will be genetically engineering beef to grow only the muscle and fat, so we can just grow walls of it (as we do plants) inside of a facility, keeping it sterile; and only cutting what we need of it. It solves land problems, resource problems, and animal treatment issues.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;42846069]Yeah. I know I've gotten called out for it here on FP before, but I think the future will be genetically engineering beef to grow only the muscle and fat, so we can just grow walls of it (as we do plants) inside of a facility, keeping it sterile; and only cutting what we need of it. It solves land problems, resource problems, and animal treatment issues.[/QUOTE]
Except it isn't meat.
I think you guys are being a bit overly critical of this
If this is mass produced it would be cheap as hell
I don't think this would be a replacement for food at all, but rather a suppliement or emergency replacement. I.E. no time to eat that day, have soylent. The hungry and homeless could easily have this stuff to have full "meals" worth of nutrition and calories per day instead of starving if food isn't an option at all. Places where food is hard to come by or there are shortages you could just have this there as a kind of means to keep you not hungry.
This can't replace food, but what it can do is stave off food for when food just isn't an option for that day or for that entire month even.
Also lets be honest -he probably lost weight because his eating habits before soylent were actually over in calories than what he burns in a day normally. On Soylent he's forced to a strict 2400 calorie diet (assuming he took the full amount per day), and under moderate activity that would cause weight loss until you got to the point where you body doesn't burn that much calories per day.
I can see these really working in many third world countries where people suffer food shortages. But as of right now, not in 1st world countries. Maybe add some iodine or water sterilization chemicals in the powder so people in 3rd world countries that don't have access to clean water can use it. Also some flavoring, maybe have different flavors like Ensure or something, so people don't go crazy after a while.
[QUOTE=Fausty;42846107]Except it isn't meat.[/QUOTE]
What isn't meat?
[QUOTE=glitchvid;42846069]Yeah. I know I've gotten called out for it here on FP before, but I think the future will be genetically engineering beef to grow only the muscle and fat, so we can just grow walls of it (as we do plants) inside of a facility, keeping it sterile; and only cutting what we need of it. It solves land problems, resource problems, and animal treatment issues.[/QUOTE]
I can see that working as a product on it's own, yeah, but I still don't see it replacing meat.
Like, for cheap ass hamburger meat that's already 60% horse, I can see this working instead. But you're not going to replace fine steak with vat grown meat product. There's an artistry in cooking that will always persist.
so.. why didn't they make it green?
This isn't really anything revolutionary either. Protein/vitamin shakes and smoothies have been around forever and the dudes ideals of a Soylent Society just would not happen.
I'm not even sure of the cost effectiveness either. $75 for a week appears kind of cheap, but you could spend about the same buying a jar or two of protein powder and some cheap vitamins and supplements at a pharmacy. And that would be without the added risk of a moldy Soylent packet or one with a rat sealed into it.
$65 for a week doesn't seem all that cost effective for a couple of bags of powder.
I spend far less than $65 on food a week and cost is the biggest concern for me.
i wonder if you can bake it into little chips
I like the theory behind it; I think we all do. Everyone in the world having access to basic nutrition? That's not a bad goal to aim for. I'm still highly skeptical though. I feel like organizations like NASA would be jumping all over this if its claims were true.
[editline]13th November 2013[/editline]
I'm also wondering if we simply know enough about the body and all the chemicals that effect it yet. There's still ongoing studies for tons of supplements and vitamins and minerals. Biologists have spent years studying things and still don't know what everything does. How does some software engineer know? What would this do over the course of a year? A decade?
This dude basically took the "meal replacement" (a powder preparation usually consisting of whey/casein protein, some form of carbohydrates and some form of fats + assorted vitamins) gimmick and marketed it in a fashion that is appealing (read: masturbation) to nerds and self proclaimed "intellectuals" and rambled off a bunch of bullshit about how he was advancing dietary process or w/e the fuck he thinks.
The joke of it is he thinks he's some kind of pioneer.
This shit has been around for literally decades. DECADES. They had meal replacement products back in the goddamn fucking 50s. Probably earlier too.
It never caught on because people like to eat food, food is a social component, this just gives the recluse/social reject even further agency to withdraw further from society. Furthermore it doesn't solve everyones dietary needs because by definition that is a flawed prospect. Some people prefer to live on higher fats, some prefer higher carbohydrates, some have lifestyles that demand more protein intake. Some of the particular substance choices would cause certain people problems or be less than preferable.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;42848582]This dude basically took the "meal replacement" (a powder preparation usually consisting of whey/casein protein, some form of carbohydrates and some form of fats + assorted vitamins) gimmick and marketed it in a fashion that is appealing (read: masturbation) to nerds and self proclaimed "intellectuals" and rambled off a bunch of bullshit about how he was advancing dietary process or w/e the fuck he thinks.
The joke of it is he thinks he's some kind of pioneer.
This shit has been around for literally decades. DECADES. They had meal replacement products back in the goddamn fucking 50s. Probably earlier too.
It never caught on because people like to eat food, food is a social component, this just gives the recluse/social reject even further agency to withdraw further from society. Furthermore it doesn't solve everyones dietary needs because by definition that is a flawed prospect. Some people prefer to live on higher fats, some prefer higher carbohydrates, some have lifestyles that demand more protein intake. Some of the particular substance choices would cause certain people problems or be less than preferable.[/QUOTE]
It's easy to say all of this when millions of people are starving and you are not. This isn't a food replacement right now. Of course right now the only people buying are people who aren't actually starving and are the lazy ones who probably don't want to cook their own meals and would rather have something that has the appropriate nutrients. In the future we aren't going to have the luxury of being so gluttonous and eating whatever we want when our population starts destabilizing and agriculture can't support us. Explain after 30 days how the only think he was deficient in was vitamin D which you get from the sun and then tell me why it's a bad thing to eat.
I bet if they surveyed bunch of starving children in a 3rd world country it would be a bit different than the survey of all his coworkers who probably live in nice apartments and eat properly everyday.
Also I wonder why he lost all that weight. Maybe because his body is starting to become it's optimal weight and he was losing his fat? I mean he was eating fried chicken and waffles and you all wonder why he lost weight when he just started eating basic nutrients.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;42848582]This dude basically took the "meal replacement" (a powder preparation usually consisting of whey/casein protein, some form of carbohydrates and some form of fats + assorted vitamins) gimmick and marketed it in a fashion that is appealing (read: masturbation) to nerds and self proclaimed "intellectuals" and rambled off a bunch of bullshit about how he was advancing dietary process or w/e the fuck he thinks.
The joke of it is he thinks he's some kind of pioneer.
This shit has been around for literally decades. DECADES. They had meal replacement products back in the goddamn fucking 50s. Probably earlier too.
It never caught on because people like to eat food, food is a social component, this just gives the recluse/social reject even further agency to withdraw further from society. Furthermore it doesn't solve everyones dietary needs because by definition that is a flawed prospect. Some people prefer to live on higher fats, some prefer higher carbohydrates, some have lifestyles that demand more protein intake. Some of the particular substance choices would cause certain people problems or be less than preferable.[/QUOTE]
He isn't acting like a pioneer. He's not even acting like he discovered it. He did the most basic thing of looking at what the human body needs to survive. Mixed, marketed, and is mass producing it for people who want to help the project and people who actually need it. They still need more research into making it cheaper and easier to produce from the basis components.
You make it seem like they're committing a crime by doing this. It's better that stuff like this exists because it gives us insight into the actual use of food in society. It allows us to further research the effects of this stuff on the body.
If Soylent tasted exactly like your favorite food would you still hate it? If everyone you knew drank these liquid meals would you still dislike them?
Also I'm pretty sure I've seen some nutritious feed go for way cheaper than this. You boil it in water and like 60 cents gets a family of four a whole meal that is nutritionally sound.
[QUOTE=jnetplays;42846516]so.. why didn't they make it green?[/QUOTE]
Its only like, a 5 man team dude. Can't afford to lose anyone.
65$ a week for this? No thanks lol
[QUOTE=Llamalord;42848744]It's easy to say all of this when millions of people are starving and you are not. This isn't a food replacement right now. Of course right now the only people buying are people who aren't actually starving and are the lazy ones who probably don't want to cook their own meals and would rather have something that has the appropriate nutrients. In the future we aren't going to have the luxury of being so gluttonous and eating whatever we want when our population starts destabilizing and agriculture can't support us. Explain after 30 days how the only think he was deficient in was vitamin D which you get from the sun and then tell me why it's a bad thing to eat.
I bet if they surveyed bunch of starving children in a 3rd world country it would be a bit different than the survey of all his coworkers who probably live in nice apartments and eat properly everyday.
Also I wonder why he lost all that weight. Maybe because his body is starting to become it's optimal weight and he was losing his fat? I mean he was eating fried chicken and waffles and you all wonder why he lost weight when he just started eating basic nutrients.[/QUOTE]
Drop the fervor for the moment and save me the soapbox, you dont seem to understand: [B]this isn't new, meal replacement forumlas, exactly as he has done, have existed since about the 1950s and possible earlier[/B]
That alone should be enough for you to infer from this that these products have been used in food aid for poor countries. Guess why its not that widespread? I'll give you a hint: its not a cost effective as he's making it out to be.
Proteins still cost money to procure, be it dairy or plant based.
Vitamins still cost money to synthesize and isolate.
Protein rich, carbohydrate rich, vitamin fortified food isn't really cheap. This is cheaper to feed yourself on than purchasing food products in the west, but only because you are essentially buying straight raw materials from manufacturers rather complete marketed food products.
This isn't a panacea to starvation problems in 3rd world countries so stop acting like it is. And don't kid yourself, there are no plans to get this to people in need because he is doing this to make money.
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