[QUOTE=Carne;37613418]There will probably be a teaser shown in front of Boardwalk Empire season 3 on September 16h.[/QUOTE]
well i watched the first two seasons of BE, didn't think i'd watch season 3. might as well watch the first episode now though
[sp]"You're my best friend, more of a brother then Viserys ever was, my most trusted adviser, chief of the Queensguard and the commander of my military, but I don't desire you.[/sp]
You know, Dany's got a point. He got friendzoned hard, sure, but it's not like she's just "some other girl." Why can't Jorah just stick with it and help her? I mean sure he doesn't get Dany, but his importance and position in her growing kingdom (or whatever this is right now) will mean no shortage of other women, wealth and prestige.
Also about time Robb, "We're going home."
For some reason I'm not getting into book 4 as much as the others.
[QUOTE=Khaos-23;37614577]For some reason I'm not getting into book 4 as much as the others.[/QUOTE]
Because it's boring as shit.
All useless talk, countles new characters(that most are killed off in late 4 and 5 anyway) while the old ones are unfinished or "happening in an other book you'll read about them later lol", I skipped A LOT of it. Shame to myself. I usually never skip books.
But I just couldn't read for the 10th time about what god represents what and how a sword looks.
[QUOTE=Killuah;37614619]Because it's boring as shit.
All useless talk, countles new characters(that most are killed off in late 4 and 5 anyway) while the old ones are unfinished or "happening in an other book you'll read about them later lol", I skipped A LOT of it. Shame to myself. I usually never skip books.
But I just couldn't read for the 10th time about what god represents what and how a sword looks.[/QUOTE]
If you skip paragraphs, no shit you think it's boring and uninvolved.
If you are only interested in action as opposed to things like scene setting and character building, go and read another book. We said it on the last page, and will say it again that most of those scenes are important. A sword is described because it is unique or charactaristic, armour is described as it tells you about the armours owner, if he is rich or poor, flamboyant or pragmatic. Food supplies on the wall are important as they tell you about the situation. Hell, Sam even fucking tells you in the book why food supplies and lists are important. "useless talk" is useful, as it tells you about characters and about how they think.
I imagine you also skipped out the Dorne sections as dull, well; you'll be in for a surpise, as it's going to become more important.
This is not a story about a small handful of demigods, it's got a lot of characters, and those characters need to all be used, or Martin'd fall into the traditional habit of having a guy who kicks everyone's ass as he's the main protagonist and he's going to kill everyone.
I'll recommend Eragon or something similar with a lot of action, little story, cliches and bland characters for you.
It's like Storm of Swords through Dance With Dragons were originally one COLOSSAL book, and GRRM divided it into two: The action went into SoS, the exposition went into FfC and DwD.
I know this is bullshit, but it's what it feels like.
After reading the all 5 books over the summer (took me a month and 5 days) I feel that FfC and DwD are basically Act 2 Scene 1, they are building up for the next two books much like GoT was for CoK and ASoS; the reason it takes more than one book like in GoT is that it has to both introduce an entire new set of characters while keeping tabs with the old ones and thus it takes much longer to build up due to the greater number of layers of complexity. Thats why I feel the end of DwD (book 5 spoilers ahead) picked up a bit with [sp] jon getting attacked and the battles of mereen and the north getting closer [/sp], much like the end of book one and [sp] Neds death and the beginning of the war of 5 kings [/sp]and this will create (hopefully) a much more exciting last two books 6 and 7 akin to books 2 and 3
Books four and five are just build (very rich, important build up). The Winds of Winter will have a lot of action I can only assume, such as the Battle of Winterfell and the Siege in Mereen.
I'am finding A Feast For Crows to be pretty boring, I love the series don't get me wrong but I'm struggling with not having any of my favorite characters have parts.
[QUOTE=CoolCorky;37615462]It's like Storm of Swords through Dance With Dragons were originally one COLOSSAL book, and GRRM divided it into two: The action went into SoS, the exposition went into FfC and DwD.
I know this is bullshit, but it's what it feels like.[/QUOTE]
Think of it like this.
Storm of Swords is World War 1, and ADWD/AFFC is the post-war era. It's the Depression and all the major world events that occurred up until World War 2.
That happens to be TWOW and ADOS.
ADWD was better than AFFC.
I also had trouble with book four. I read about 300 pages before it occurred to me that I had no idea what was going on or who most of the characters were. I decided to put the book down and take a break from it, now it's 2 months later and I still haven't wanted to go back. I went through the first three books relatively quickly, but book four just killed my interest.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;37615260]If you skip paragraphs, no shit you think it's boring and uninvolved.
If you are only interested in action as opposed to things like scene setting and character building, go and read another book. We said it on the last page, and will say it again that most of those scenes are important. A sword is described because it is unique or charactaristic, armour is described as it tells you about the armours owner, if he is rich or poor, flamboyant or pragmatic. Food supplies on the wall are important as they tell you about the situation. Hell, Sam even fucking tells you in the book why food supplies and lists are important. "useless talk" is useful, as it tells you about characters and about how they think.
I imagine you also skipped out the Dorne sections as dull, well; you'll be in for a surpise, as it's going to become more important.
This is not a story about a small handful of demigods, it's got a lot of characters, and those characters need to all be used, or Martin'd fall into the traditional habit of having a guy who kicks everyone's ass as he's the main protagonist and he's going to kill everyone.
I'll recommend Eragon or something similar with a lot of action, little story, cliches and bland characters for you.[/QUOTE]
I like how I get 3 dumbs and this post and then 4 more posts about how 4 and 5 are just not as good as 1,2 and 3.
A page full of detailed description what kind of veggies are stored is not important. I get that it creates atmosphere but there is a limit to it.
Then we have the Catelyn bullshit.
Book 1,2,3: Fear the living dead.
Book 4 and 5: [sp]lol she comes back as a revengeful zombie and people are afraid of her but made her their boss[/sp]
The Dorne section was important, the hundreds of different people that Dany collects around herself are not and lets face it: she is still the most stupid and unlikeable character of the book.
Then again we spend so much time around Bran in 1,2,3 and yet 4 and 5 take 2 books just for the travel that, in the beginning, Ed, the guy who collected new recruits in kings landing and various other characters made in the time of "and then he was there".
I am not bored because I skipped parts, I skipped parts because I was bored.
Go on try it. Only read the first half page and the last 2 of each chapter, you will miss almost nothing.
Furthermore you are missinterpreting my words. "I don't like that nothing is happening at all" doesn't mean that "I wish for more dumb action". LotR is a great example for deep fantasy with great lore and still stuff is happening.
I WISH there was character building. But the character building we saw so far is when at one point the character completely changes, look at Arya, look at Jaime pre and past Robbs prison.
My point is, Martin is really really damn good at creating the world. He fills it with all these people and that's great, it's just that he is not a very good writer. You can see it in how every character except the VERY extreme ones talk essentially in the same way, a septon uses almost the same words as a barkeeper and the really really lazy expression that is full of repeated phrases.
And while the "multiple levels of story telling" thing was a very good exposition, a very god way to create a colourful, broad and interesting fundament and introduction of the world, it is very bad for progression and keeping things interesting.
Just look at the fuckup of Dany. The whole who-is-who and name-dropping of the slave traders, in the end [sp]half of them is killed even before the battle of Meeren[/sp]
We spend a full chapter with the (what are they called in english?) Masester of the Dragons Nest Island just to have him killed by his own toxic in the end. That all just to demonstrate that the red woman has a lot of secrets. A full chapter.
And later when she arrives at the wall she tells us in like 10 lines(when she talks about how her chemicals are slowly out of stock but she can use more magic near the wall) exactly that and EVEN MORE about herself.
All the useles characters around Dany, I can't even remember their names although I read some chapters twice because I didn't quite get what was happening in them, and in the end it all ends with
[sp] "I shouldn't have chained the Dragons ok I can ride one now I should have learned it before"[/sp]
[B]WHY THE FUCK DID IT NEVER COME TO HER STUPID MIND THAT THE DRAGONS NEED TO BE TRAINED?[/B]
Sees her brother die from molten gold - is absolutely batshit crazy when her dragon eats a kid. What?
And the list goes on and on and on and on.
You completely failed to actually read the damn things didn't you, it sounds like you sort of just skimmed the books and decided to bitch about the few things you read.
[editline]10th September 2012[/editline]
[sp]The Pink Panzer: least they have the hospitality thing a ma jig
The Pink Panzer: So tired
The Pink Panzer: Read faster
A Zombie Goast: Time to bed 'em
A Zombie Goast: Wait
A Zombie Goast: Wait
A Zombie Goast: Why are they playing the Rains of Castamere
A Zombie Goast: That's a.... Lannister song
A Zombie Goast: Oh my God
A Zombie Goast: Edwyn is wearing armor
A Zombie Goast: WHY
A Zombie Goast: Ok this is bullshit
A Zombie Goast: Frey is breaking Hospitality
A Zombie Goast: Oh god crossbow bolts everywhere
A Zombie Goast: Robb is hit
A Zombie Goast: They killed Manderly!
A Zombie Goast: THEY'RE KILLING EVERYONE
A Zombie Goast: Aww
A Zombie Goast: They killed Dacey
A Zombie Goast: I liked her
A Zombie Goast: Oh shit Bolton is in on this
A Zombie Goast: He just killed Smalljon
A Zombie Goast: .... Oh my god they killed Robb
A Zombie Goast: OH MY GOD THEY KILLED CATELYN
[/sp]
Oh my god I just want to wring Joffrey's stupid little neck until he turns blue in the face. It's one thing to just read [B]THAT[/B] happening, but now Joffrey's rubbing it in like the sociopathic cunt he is.
And Cersei isn't helping, it's her fault Joffrey's as insane as he is. Fuck her, fuck Tywin, fuck the Lannisters (but most importantly fuck the Freys.)
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37623444]You completely failed to actually read the damn things didn't you, it sounds like you sort of just skimmed the books and decided to bitch about the few things you read.
[editline]10th September 2012[/editline]
[sp]The Pink Panzer: least they have the hospitality thing a ma jig
The Pink Panzer: So tired
The Pink Panzer: Read faster
A Zombie Goast: Time to bed 'em
A Zombie Goast: Wait
A Zombie Goast: Wait
A Zombie Goast: Why are they playing the Rains of Castamere
A Zombie Goast: That's a.... Lannister song
A Zombie Goast: Oh my God
A Zombie Goast: Edwyn is wearing armor
A Zombie Goast: WHY
A Zombie Goast: Ok this is bullshit
A Zombie Goast: Frey is breaking Hospitality
A Zombie Goast: Oh god crossbow bolts everywhere
A Zombie Goast: Robb is hit
A Zombie Goast: They killed Manderly!
A Zombie Goast: THEY'RE KILLING EVERYONE
A Zombie Goast: Aww
A Zombie Goast: They killed Dacey
A Zombie Goast: I liked her
A Zombie Goast: Oh shit Bolton is in on this
A Zombie Goast: He just killed Smalljon
A Zombie Goast: .... Oh my god they killed Robb
A Zombie Goast: OH MY GOD THEY KILLED CATELYN
[/sp][/QUOTE]
What makes you think that? I bitch about the stuff that irks me yes, I can't bitch about stuff I like, can I?
Your post doesn't explain why the living dead are okay and the white wanderers are not.
It's white walkers not white wanderers, can you even read?
They aren't accepted, just almost no one knows about it besides people who worship the lord of light and his magic. They also do not wish destruction upon all living things.
[QUOTE=Killuah;37630162]What makes you think that? I bitch about the stuff that irks me yes, I can't bitch about stuff I like, can I?
Your post doesn't explain why the living dead are okay and the white wanderers are not.[/QUOTE]
Spoiler-tagged the shit out of everything, I tried to word it in a reasonably safe way but don't look if you haven't read ADwD and you want to be safe.
With regards to the whole Catelyn thing: (aSoS onwards)
[sp]Catelyn as Lady Stoneheart isn't actually dead, she is just as alive as Beric Dondarrion was when he was being repeatedly brought back to life. Certainly she might look a bit like a zombie, but she has all the characteristics of humanity (speech, thought etc). Also the Brotherhood without Banners aren't strangers to a little bit of ressurection and have never encountered wights.
The wights on the other hand are different because they are just walking corpses. They are unrelenting, entirely ignorant to any sort of physical damage, have an insatiable bloodlust, can't speak and probably don't think.[/sp]
With regards to some of the stuff in the other post:
Bran: [sp]I would assume that Bran's journey took such a long time because they were slowed by the fact that they are hungry fugitives, one of whom is a cripple and all of them (except Hodor) being children. Not sure who you mean by Ed (Dolorous Ed?) so can't comment on his journey, but it took Yoren a bloody long time to get anywhere and he didn't even get close to the Wall. Westeros is a very big place, especially when you're walking.[/sp]
Character building: I think it's unfair to say that there's no character building. Jaime and Arya both change a lot, and Jaime does so rather suddenly but most of the other characters change to, although admittedly quite slowly. [sp]Sansa starts to lose all that last bit of innocence she had, changing into Alayne. Theon makes a dramatic transformation from being proud and arrogant into a snivelling subservient pet, although admittedly Daenerys doesn't change too much. It's not so much a surprise that few others have changed hugely because they are either dead, or just recently been introduced.[/sp]
Dany: [sp]Basically she hasn't had time to attend to the dragons because she's been trying to fix Meereen/marry Hizdahr/deal with the bloody flux/sleep with Daario/forge peace with the Yunkai etc. I think she even says at one point that she should spend more time with the dragons. She didn't bat an eyelid when Viserys died because he was a huge cunt. I would imagine that she freaked out when Drogon ate a kid because the kid was just some innocent, and she considers all the freedmen in Meereen to be her children (and they call her Mother).[/sp]
Melisandre: [sp]Yes, the death of the Maester on Dragonstone essentially establishes that she is mysterious, but I think the entire point of the Melisandre chapter was to strip her of some of that mystery. We're told that some of her 'magic' are just parlour tricks, and we're told that her predictions aren't infallible.[/sp]
As for the repeated phrases (ie "Useless as nipples on a breastplate"), that's part of the world building. There are hundreds of little phrases that are repeated throughout the book, in the same way that people use and repeat the same phrases in real life. Am I right in thinking you're reading a translation? Because that probably doesn't help, I imagine that things easily get lost between languages especially in a fantasy novel.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37631103]It's white walkers not white wanderers, can you even read?
They aren't accepted, just almost no one knows about it besides people who worship the lord of light and his magic. They also do not wish destruction upon all living things.[/QUOTE]
I am reading in German, thanks for your insightful comment.
Why is [sp]Catelyn[/sp] not trying to gnaw off peoples faces?
[editline]12th September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lord Pirate;37631904]Spoiler-tagged the shit out of everything, I tried to word it in a reasonably safe way but don't look if you haven't read ADwD and you want to be safe.
With regards to the whole Catelyn thing: (aSoS onwards)
[sp]Catelyn as Lady Stoneheart isn't actually dead, she is just as alive as Beric Dondarrion was when he was being repeatedly brought back to life. Certainly she might look a bit like a zombie, but she has all the characteristics of humanity (speech, thought etc). Also the Brotherhood without Banners aren't strangers to a little bit of ressurection and have never encountered wights.
The wights on the other hand are different because they are just walking corpses. They are unrelenting, entirely ignorant to any sort of physical damage, have an insatiable bloodlust, can't speak and probably don't think.[/sp]
With regards to some of the stuff in the other post:
Bran: [sp]I would assume that Bran's journey took such a long time because they were slowed by the fact that they are hungry fugitives, one of whom is a cripple and all of them (except Hodor) being children. Not sure who you mean by Ed (Dolorous Ed?) so can't comment on his journey, but it took Yoren a bloody long time to get anywhere and he didn't even get close to the Wall. Westeros is a very big place, especially when you're walking.[/sp]
Character building: I think it's unfair to say that there's no character building. Jaime and Arya both change a lot, and Jaime does so rather suddenly but most of the other characters change to, although admittedly quite slowly. [sp]Sansa starts to lose all that last bit of innocence she had, changing into Alayne. Theon makes a dramatic transformation from being proud and arrogant into a snivelling subservient pet, although admittedly Daenerys doesn't change too much. It's not so much a surprise that few others have changed hugely because they are either dead, or just recently been introduced.[/sp]
Dany: [sp]Basically she hasn't had time to attend to the dragons because she's been trying to fix Meereen/marry Hizdahr/deal with the bloody flux/sleep with Daario/forge peace with the Yunkai etc. I think she even says at one point that she should spend more time with the dragons. She didn't bat an eyelid when Viserys died because he was a huge cunt. I would imagine that she freaked out when Drogon ate a kid because the kid was just some innocent, and she considers all the freedmen in Meereen to be her children (and they call her Mother).[/sp]
Melisandre: [sp]Yes, the death of the Maester on Dragonstone essentially establishes that she is mysterious, but I think the entire point of the Melisandre chapter was to strip her of some of that mystery. We're told that some of her 'magic' are just parlour tricks, and we're told that her predictions aren't infallible.[/sp]
As for the repeated phrases (ie "Useless as nipples on a breastplate"), that's part of the world building. There are hundreds of little phrases that are repeated throughout the book, in the same way that people use and repeat the same phrases in real life. Am I right in thinking you're reading a translation? Because that probably doesn't help, I imagine that things easily get lost between languages especially in a fantasy novel.[/QUOTE]
First: Thanks for that posts. It was really nice to read it and it is a nice part of a discussion, well worded, friedly.
Ok.
[sp] We know the white wanderers (suck it PP) remember stuff too. In one chapter Jon even says that the one trying to kill the commander remembered who he was and how to get in there so I'm not sure about that, the whole "good zombie bad zombie" thing just seems like a copout for certain dead ends in the plot that the red wedding caused.
No easy way for Catelyn to survive the red wedding? Need her for later? Make her a zombie! But without the face nibbling![/sp]
Also the first 2 books or so made sure to establish in every moment he is talked about that the red priest is a fraud.Now suddenly he can [sp]bring people back to life[/sp]
I was talking about Lord Eddard. It just appears to me that Martyn makes people travel fast when he needs them too(like Eddard) and slow when he needs them too. That's uncool.
Character building: Up there PP said I should read stuff with more cliche like Eragon if I dislike how GoT develops, however, the book is, except for a few like Jon, FULL of cliche characters and that's because people, in reality, sometimes ARE cliche,
I'm sorry but the good looking, arrogant blonde white knight? The ignoring overmighty father? The stuckup princess? The honour-is-my-everything lord who dies because of his honour?
Yes, saying there is no character development is unfair, ok.
It's just that it is so .. unbelievable because it(and that closely relates to how the structure of the books chapters is bad for advanced storytelling) mostly happens INBETWEEN chapters. Like Theon. [sp] His change to stinker and his change back to Theon BOTH happen without us really reading it[/sp]
Uncool.
Dany: Not much to say here. The most boring, colourless character of them all. We read all her bothers and thoughts and her whining and all, which is fine and dandy for knowing how she looks on the inside but what do we see her actually DOING? Like actively, as the result of a decision she made, not as a result of the circumstances? Maybe my main point here is that she has no power at all. Not over her followers, not over her Dragons, certainly not over them, not over herself. Sure going into fire is a thing, Sure wandering the desert is hard. The first thing she was able to do because of her birth, the later was a result of the circumstances. The only thing we can REALLY attribute to her is that she didn't lay down and die.
It just is, by far, the most boring part of the book. All that argueing between her followers, all the talking, it's like watching a soap(which was my main critique with the series in the first place)
[editline]12th September 2012[/editline]
Oh and repeated phrases: I am not talking about the language that makes up the atmosphere of a world, I am talking about repeating certain forms of phrases within 3 pages, which is just bad style.
I had totally forgotten about the wight that remembered where Mormont was, thanks for the reminder. I must admit that I wasn't so sure about the whole [sp]Lady Stoneheart[/sp] thing when I read it but we haven't really heard much about her so I'm going on the assumption that her [sp]ressurection[/sp] must have some purpose otherwise she would have stayed dead. Otherwise you're right, it's a dead end from the [sp]red wedding[/sp] that didn't really need to be brought back.
I don't think Thoros was ever a fraudulent priest, but he certainly was a bad one and he didn't expect to be able to [sp]bring people back to life, but it happened inadvertently when performing last rites on Beric[/sp]. I think we can assume that this happens in ACoK since, although we don't hear from the Brotherhood Without Banners until aSoS, they only formed after [sp]Eddard was beheaded[/sp]. This would put the [sp]ressurections happening at roughly the same time as the dragons are born which seems to have been a catalyst for other strange things happening (glass candles burning, the firemage with the flame ladder, the spells used to create Wildfire suddenly work better, the ressurections themselves)[/sp].
I think the difference in the speeds of travel is more of a literary device than anything. Lord Eddard travelling from Winterfell to King's Landing is a relatively unimportant journey and all we need to know are that he went from one to the other, and a couple of important/noteworthy things happened on the way. With Bran, not only are they unmounted, but it's more important to his character. That and most times we hear from Bran on his journey, something happens [sp](they almost meet Jon at the Queenscrown holdfast, they meet Samwell at the Nightfort, they meet Coldhands on the other side).[/sp] There aren't many travelling chapters where little happens (if there are I can't think of any).
You're right about the clichés. The reason clichés are clichéd is because they happen a lot in books and real life (like break-up lines), and I like to think that the things which set the main characters apart from the clichés are what make them interesting.
Jaime is a arrogant white knight, but is also a huge twat (at the start).
Cersei is a stuck-up princess, but is also psychotic, paranoid and over-controlling.
[sp]Eddard believed honour was his everything, but he (supposedly) fathered a bastard and the moment he abandoned his honour to confess, he was beheaded as a traitor.[/sp]
Tywin is the overbearing father, but he takes it to the extreme, making him incredibly cruel.
We are fortunate to see the character development of Jaime, Arya and Sansa etc because those transformations happen in an interesting way and over a comparatively short period of time. The transformation of Theon [sp]to Reek would have been tedious to read about since is was a long period of consistent flaying and torture at the behest of Ramsay. No one wants to read 10 chapters of "I sat in the dungeon, Ramsay flayed me a bit and I sat in the dungeon some more".[/sp] Would have liked to see him change back a bit more though (although we did see a little bit of it at Moat Cailin and Winterfell).
Dany doesn't do much development past the first book where she loses her innocence and becomes distrustful so I'll agree with you there. Most of what Dany does stems from when [sp]Mirri Maz Duur killed her son[/sp], and leaves her with an almost misguided sense of maternity/stubbornness with regard to her followers and her dragons. And whilst she has had extraordinary luck, she has also been quite clever at times (like tricking the slavers) which has somehow kept me pretty interested in her story. That and dragons are badass.
Repeated phrases: I personally only remember a couple of instances of this happening (the nipples on breastplate being one of them) and I have chalked it up to the fact that Martin probably wrote the chapters quite a long time apart, even if they are quite close together in the book. Because Martin has said that in aFfC he basically wrote all of aFfC and half of aDwD but then separated the chapters into stuff that happened in King's Landing, and stuf that happened elsewhere.
It's White Walkers.
And it's Reek.
Don't read a translation.
[QUOTE=Chief343;37642182]It's White Walkers.
And it's Reek.
Don't read a translation.[/QUOTE]
So if your English isn't as good as GRRM's, then you get to eat shit!
Global translations is one of the reasons books like this become so popular, because people from all over the world can read them.
Getting mad at White Wanderers, seriously? Shave that neckbeard and go outside.
[QUOTE=acds;37648137]Getting mad at White Wanderers, seriously? Shave that neckbeard and go outside.[/QUOTE]
Hey, people get mad at spoilers but I don't tell them to take off their diapers.
And I don't keep a neckbeard.
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[QUOTE=Killuah;37639421]Also the first 2 books or so made sure to establish in every moment he is talked about that the red priest is a fraud.Now suddenly he can [sp]bring people back to life[/sp][/QUOTE]
Not like the second chapter of the first book establishes that the red priests are a major religion, with at least 4 references by Dany and Illyrio...
You didn't even read the first book properly. :v:
[QUOTE=Chief343;37651315]Hey, people get mad at spoilers but I don't tell them to take off their diapers.
And I don't keep a neckbeard.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between ruining the surprise for someone and acting like a sperg correcting shit that doesn't matter
besides, it's the metaphorical neckbeard that matters
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[quote]In the forests of Clandeboye, on a Wednesday afternoon in August, a man and his wife were walking their dog and heard the sound of a fight.
It was an important rehearsal, and the two main protagonists are two of my season favorites: an unexpected pairing, whose war of words is almost as full-on as the fight. This struggle has been choreographed and rehearsed for weeks, with each move carefully placed to match the terrain. The fighters wore pads and fell on crash matts, though for the close-ups later in the week, during the first night shoot of the season, the landing would not be quite so comfortable. It will be a character-defining scene, for more than one who is involved, so it has to be done well.
More departments began to arrive for a full run-through. VFX was involved in creating the final moments of the scene, and special effects had a lot to do to make it all work. Armoury had designed a special weapon for this scene alone, and there was a nervous moment when it was first tested against the wood of a massive tree stump and the body of one of our brave stunt guys.
The couple asked what was happening, and looked on for a while, but were gently guided toward the path. What happens next is too big a secret for anyone to know, and it certainly can’t be told by me.[/quote]
[url]http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2012/9/13/the-season-3-battles-have-begun-in-northern-ireland.html[/url]
Been a while since I read the book. Does this description match anything from the book?
[QUOTE=Carne;37655340][img]http://game-of-thrones.squarespace.com/storage/BLOG__DSC0696.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1347563781590[/img]
[url]http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2012/9/13/the-season-3-battles-have-begun-in-northern-ireland.html[/url]
Been a while since I read the book. Does this description match anything from the book?[/QUOTE]
Did the[sp]Wildlings attack the Wall in Storm? Because that looks a lot like Jon Snow.[/sp]
They all blend together into one great epic for me.
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[url]http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/2012/9/13/the-season-3-battles-have-begun-in-northern-ireland.html[/url]
Been a while since I read the book. Does this description match anything from the book?[/QUOTE]
Taking a guess based on the filming location, the "unexpected pairing" and the "character defining fight" I think it might be when (ASoS)[sp]Jaime fights Brienne whilst he is wearing chains and Vargo Hoat shows up?[/sp] Not sure about the special weapon from the armoury though and the picture doesn't look like either of them [sp](Maybe it's Vargo?)[/sp], but it's definitely character defining and I can see why a lot of VFX might go into the final moments of the scene because (BIG ASoS spoilers) [sp]Vargo Hoat chops of Jaimes hand[/sp].
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